Personally, I think it's now safe to say Disco Elysium is better than Planescape: Torment.

[Wyndrax]

Sure. Why cant NHL 2019 be a rpg?

At first I was almost ready to read this thread. Then I read this.

 

[user]

I agree with the OP, not to mention that PT is massively overrated, I don't get why it's worshipped here. You play as an amnesiac with, not one, but many toxic personalities, and to be honest is full of sexist tropes and doesn't treat Annah, Fall-From-Grace and Lady of Pain as well as they deserve.

 

[luj1]

What do yall think?

that u r retarded

 

[luj1]

I don't get how anyone can think PST and DE are similar.

for an adventure game DE is pretty shit

games from back in the day such as Kings Quest or Little Big Adventure put it to shame

its essentially a CYOA booklet

 

[Darth Canoli]

PST is in its essence a typical Aryan hero myth. You struggle against divine forces that rule the universe, whereas DE is the usual Jewish drivel dealing with personal angst and how everything is so meaningless.

Out of the many names the main character had, in PST, one of them is Yemeth...

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

PST is in its essence a typical Aryan hero myth. You struggle against divine forces that rule the universe, whereas DE is the usual Jewish drivel dealing with personal angst and how everything is so meaningless.

Out of the many names the main character had, in PST, one of them is Yemeth...

That was just a cultural appropriation.

 

[ResetRPG]

Capitalism absolutely is responsible for this. Science was the means but capitalism was the engine. Without proper incentive people as a whole aren't going to try to innovate, itterate, etc.

Look at the progression of science pre and post capitalism. Sure some people would always seek out knowledge for the sake of knowledge, and others would seek to create new technology for the good of mankind out of pure altruism, but the majority of people won't - they need incentive.

Further, Capitalism provides the incentive for one of the largest drivers of technological advancement - iteration. Without the incentive of profit, there's no reason to try to build a better mouse trap if the current mouse trap does the job.

I don't necessarily agree with incentive per say. For example, in my experience most physicians I have interacted with say that they do what they do because they want to help people, the money is just an extra benefit. And I know from the importance of statistics like Job satisfaction that people want to do a job for reasons beyond just money, but money is of course the most important reason.

I think what makes Modern Capitalism so effective is that is able to effectively mass produce these technologies and inventions made and make them easily accessible to the greater public.

At the end of the day, the smartphone is a great invention, but without market forces and trade- they would not be nearly as accessible to the common man. You can pretty much apply this to every modern invention that humans rely on for daily life.

 

[Lim-Dûl]

You struggle against divine forces that rule the universe, whereas DE is the usual Jewish drivel dealing with personal angst and how everything is so meaningless.

Is this why Jews persistently lobby for wars and other so-called diplomatic strategies in order to reshape human society to forcibly fulfill their prophecy (attempting to control divinity), no matter the cost? You are confounding what you think is bad with Jewishness.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

You struggle against divine forces that rule the universe, whereas DE is the usual Jewish drivel dealing with personal angst and how everything is so meaningless.

Is this why Jews persistently lobby for wars and other so-called diplomatic strategies in order to reshape human society to forcibly fulfill their prophecy (attempting to control divinity), no matter the cost? You are confounding what you think is bad with Jewishness.

No, I am not. Jewish intellectuals and authors hardly espouse transcendental heroic ideals in their works. Read people like Kafka. They have readily spread hedonistic beliefs in the world. I won't clutter this thread with this stuff any further.

I've said how I perceive PST and DE and if you think my take is absolutely retarded, that's alright.

 

[logrus]

I think the Beach Boys are still obviously superior to the Beatles.

Who cares, Black Sabbath eats them both for breakfast.

 

[perfectslumbers]

full of sexist tropes

True the misandry in Planescape is disgusting. The lives of the many male characters revolve entirely around The Nameless One. Disgusting how little agency they have! Strong and independent male characters are important in times like these, but no the men of Planescape are just submissive.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Unfettered capitalism can lead to issues - ala child labor, etc

Give me one good reason why child labor is an issue and not an opportunity for children to become economically independent and gain work experience.

This, but unironically. Our public school system is so fucked that children would be better off interning or working when they couldn't afford private or home schooling. It's sad, but that's the reality. Besides, schoolwork is unpaid labor already.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Unfettered capitalism can lead to issues - ala child labor, etc

Give me one good reason why child labor is an issue and not an opportunity for children to become economically independent and gain work experience.

This, but unironically. Our public school system is so fucked that children would be better off interning or working when they couldn't afford private or home schooling. It's sad, but that's the reality. Besides, schoolwork is unpaid labor already.

If public schools close, capitalism is fucked because all "education" cost will be on the shoulder of companies.

 

[Maxwell's Demon]

Unfettered capitalism can lead to issues - ala child labor, etc

Give me one good reason why child labor is an issue and not an opportunity for children to become economically independent and gain work experience.

This, but unironically. Our public school system is so fucked that children would be better off interning or working when they couldn't afford private or home schooling. It's sad, but that's the reality. Besides, schoolwork is unpaid labor already.

If public schools close, capitalism is fucked because all "education" cost will be on the shoulder of companies.

Corporations already have to train new employees at their own expense. Many operate in-house training schools.

 

[EtcEtcEtc]

If public schools close, capitalism is fucked because all "education" cost will be on the shoulder of companies.

Capitalism is on the verge of fucked because "education" has trained a generation of children that communism is good, do what feels best regardless the consequence, western civilization is terrible and racist - and all resulting western ideas are trash - and that we should embrace moral relativism.

 

[BruceVC]

I agree with the OP, not to mention that PT is massively overrated, I don't get why it's worshipped here. You play as an amnesiac with, not one, but many toxic personalities, and to be honest is full of sexist tropes and doesn't treat Annah, Fall-From-Grace and Lady of Pain as well as they deserve.

I agree with you around how Grace gets treated, the fact you cant have sex with her is criminal and we should all be outraged

 

[Nifft Batuff]

Unfettered capitalism can lead to issues - ala child labor, etc

Give me one good reason why child labor is an issue and not an opportunity for children to become economically independent and gain work experience.

This, but unironically. Our public school system is so fucked that children would be better off interning or working when they couldn't afford private or home schooling. It's sad, but that's the reality. Besides, schoolwork is unpaid labor already.

If public schools close, capitalism is fucked because all "education" cost will be on the shoulder of companies.

Corporations already have to train new employees at their own expense. Many operate in-house training schools.

These trainings are only the last step of an education that lasts for decades.
Imagine if the employer has to teach his eployees how to read and write.

 

[Harthwain]

I've said how I perceive PST and DE [...]

Uh-huh. I find it more likely you're just another account of the troll who made this thread. Or an accomplice who came here to help him (which amounts to the same thing). Idiots talking about the imagined communist propaganda are understandable, but a loon who talks about "aryan, semitic, jewish" bullshit in the context of the whole game is a first, even for a game so highly political as Disco Elysium.

Capitalism is on the verge of fucked because "education" has trained a generation of children that communism is good

In which country? I can't name a capitalist country that says communism is good.

 

[GrafvonMoltke]

Why are you comparing a visual novel to an RPG?

They're both visual novels.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

I've said how I perceive PST and DE [...]

Uh-huh. I find it more likely you're just another account of the troll who made this thread. Or an accomplice who came here to help him (which amounts to the same thing). Idiots talking about the imagined communist propaganda are understandable, but a loon who talks about "aryan, semitic, jewish" bullshit in the context of the whole game is a first, even for a game so highly political as Disco Elysium.

I am afraid that's just how I am.

 

[Harthwain]

I am afraid that's just how I am.

It's actually insulting how lazy you are. Next time make a sleeper account - wait a few months, maybe a year (ideally more). Start carefully posting, bit by bit, in a way that doesn't attract too much attention but makes your face blend in with the crowd. Then drop your bomb, but make it so like you're not actually trying too hard (which isn't that hard, if you know what you're doing, which you obviously don't, because you're an outsider). Do that and you will have much easier time to pass as a Codexer.

But thanks for confirming my point by not even trying to argue.

 

[Spectral Pontifex]

I am afraid that's just how I am.

It's actually insulting how lazy you are. Next time make a sleeper account - wait a few months, maybe a year (ideally more). Start carefully posting, bit by bit, in a way that doesn't attract too much attention but makes your face blend in with the crowd. Then drop your bomb, but make it so like you're not actually trying too hard (which isn't that hard, if you know what you're doing, which you obviously don't, because you're an outsider). Do that and you will have much easier time to pass as a Codexer.

But thanks for confirming my point by not even trying to argue.

I actually believe all that I wrote about DE and PST. Sure, I could replace the term "Aryan" with the more scholarly "Indo-European" and make my arguments less provocative by toning down my expression and expanding on why I think the struggles of heroes of Indo-European mythologies are reflected in PST to a certain degree, but we are on the internet and I like to have little fun sometimes. (Besides, I had to write it on a phone)

Everybody on Codex puts on a persona. It's a playful game. My attitude on Codex is a dramatization of my actual personality and most people here and on the internet act out a particular aspect of themselves.

 

[FriendlyMerchant]

11 pages and this visual novel thread is still in the wrong forum?

 

[EtcEtcEtc]

In which country? I can't name a capitalist country that says communism is good.

Educational system is not the same as the country is it?

 

[likash]

STFU noob