Game News Pete posts about previous interviews

[Jed]

Can't take the heat?

Owned.

What's that like the third time? If nothing else, I admire your blind persistence.

29 & one-muthafuckin'-half. Now you're owned.

 

[Spazmo]

Well, Amerestatic, we keep some youngins on staff so we can stay fresh and current. If we left things up to Saint and VD--both older than dirt--this site would be the digital equivalent of a pair of old men sitting on a porch cradling a shotgun and muttering about the good old days.

Well, moreso.

 

[Seven]

I graduated years ago, man.

You on the other hand, obviously didn't.

Edit: After viewing your other posts it appears you can't submit without sneaking some form of a troll into it's contents, I guess that makes you 'edgy'.

In conclusion, I won't bother with you any longer.

So I'm a troll? "Asshole and Douchebag", I wonder where those littlle gems came from? If that's not enough there's this:

You're all a bunch of goddman trolls, no wonder no one takes this website seriously.

Given the inherant stupidity of the thread starter there and your defense of him I must assert two things: You're galactically stupid, and YOU are a troll.
And oh wow, you graduated two years ago (At most)? Yeah, that makes you so much smarter than me, right cause all I have is a lowly Honors B.A., that certainly ranks below your what, High School Diploma from Pricksville? That's right, who's owned now?

 

[Nomad]

Pete said that when all the pausing options are enabled KotOR combat is "similar" to turn-based. That is, he didn't say that KotOR's combat system in that state is the same as or equivalent to or even that it's identical in appearance to turn-based. It's almost as though his analogy is like saying that a cat and dog are "similar" because they have four legs, fur and a tail. They sure have their differences all right, but they have similarities, too.


N.

 

[Seven]

Pete said that when all the pausing options are enabled KotOR combat is "similar" to turn-based. That is, he didn't say that KotOR's combat system in that state is the same as or equivalent to or even that it's identical in appearance to turn-based. It's almost as though his analogy is like saying that a cat and dog are "similar" because they have four legs, fur and a tail. They sure have their differences all right, but they have similarities, too.


N.

I'll grant what you say as true (for arguments sake), but the question to pose with that logic is whether a cat and dog are more similar or more alike; this is to say, is Phase Based closer to RT or is it closer to TB?

 

[taks]

There is a system that accounts for that. We call it turn-based.

yeah, but he was referring to phase-based, wasn't he... perhaps if phase-based systems were implemented properly, it wouldn't be so taboo...
taks

 

[Nomad]

Perhaps I was being too subtle.

My cat and dog analogy was a reference to SP's original post where he claimed that Pete's statement was like saying that a cat and dog are the same when clearly (from the text of the quote) Pete was not saying that KotOR's combat was the same as turn-based. The point being that SP was being somewhat sensationalistic and not really all that accurate with his news item that started this thread.

Whether a dog and cat are more alike than phase / real-time with pause combat and turn-based combat doesn't really matter (to me) since it depends on the depth and degree of comparison. Since I'm not really a fan of turn-based RPGs (I prefer turn-based stratgey games like Civilization, MOO and Alpha Centauri) I really don't have much to contribute to that discussion.


N.

 

[Saint_Proverbius]

Must I dig up the interview Pete Hines did where he flat out said KotOR was turn based?

Read it and weep, biatches:

• Most of Bethesda’s games are released on PC and X-box. We’ve already seen that a complex RPG is possible on a console (cfr. Morrowind). Do you think an old-school RPG with lots of text and turn-based action like Fallout is going to appeal to, for instance, the average PS2 gamer?
  Well, Morrowind had over a million words of text in the game, and given the great success of that game on a console, I don't think text is something that will make or break a game.And obviously turn-based combat has worked well on consoles, since KOTOR blew people away last year and FF has a very large and loyal following. I think what we're finding out is that the stereotype of what a console gamer is, or what they want, isn't necessarily what it used to be. You can't define a game just by what features it has, you really have to define the experience. Some stuff works well on any platform because it's so brilliantly done, and some stuff won't work on any platform because it's the right features with the wrong implementation.

KTHXBYE.

 

[Nomad]

Interesting.

In the quote you used in the post that started this thread, Pete said that they were _similar_ and you said he said that they were the _same_. That's bad. It makes it look like you can't read or are deliberately trying to misinterpret Pete's comments in order to use it as an avenue for attacking him. Either way, you don't come off looking all that bright.

So don't come off all indignant on me when you're the one who didn't do his job in this case.

If you're going to call what you do when you start these threads "news" you better get off your behind and learn how to do it right. That is, if you're going comment on some else's statements in a “news” post, you might want to include those statements in the quotes.

CYA.


N.

 

[kerec]

You go bye, bye.

Interesting.

In the quote you used in the post that started this thread, Pete said that they were _similar_ and you said he said that they were the _same_. That's bad. It makes it look like you can't read or are deliberately trying to misinterpret Pete's comments in order to use it as an avenue for attacking him. Either way, you don't come off looking all that bright.

So don't come off all indignant on me when you're the one who didn't do his job in this case.

If you're going to call what you do when you start these threads "news" you better get off your behind and learn how to do it right. That is, if you're going comment on some else's statements in a “news” post, you might want to include those statements in the quotes.

CYA.


N.

Ok, listen up, Trollbot. This website is meant to be viewed by people that can handle continuity. We know from a previous post (if you had bothered to research it) that he has mistakenly called KotoR Turn Based.

We also know, that they've been doing some hardcore backpeddling due to negative fan reaction. To nitpick on Saint, when he is infact making a comment based on the bigger picture, than on basing it on one single quote, is rather childish.

 

[Talorc]

Re:

We also know, that they've been doing some hardcore backpeddling due to negative fan reaction.

They totally FUCKED the pooch on the Fallout annoucement. When they obtained basically exclusive rights to one of the most anticipated RPG licences EVER, they really should have hade more lined up to say than "Well, Gee we hadnt really thought of what we are going to do with it yet.." ad infiniteum to ever major gaming news site out there. They looked like clueless noobs and the "Morrowind with guns" speculation just started from there. Even If they had of been able to say the very bare minimum basics like at least "Of couse SPECIAL is in it, its FALLOUT you fuckin noob" and "Yeah, its turn based you fuckin noob, we are talking about FALLOUT" most of the bad reaction would have been immediately subdued.

Its obvious they had not thought about it ALL. I suspect Interplay pushed them towards the announcement so they could tell everyone they were just the correct side of being the fiscally undead, for a little while anyway. Now they are paying for it, and their PR dude is in major damage control, as evidenced by this story.

Best thing Bethesda could do now, is just quietly bunker up, but their heads down and come back with a decent basic design outline and good concept art in a few months once the dust has settled, that will hopefully please the Fallout fans. (even the grand high forum priest ones)

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Re: You go bye, bye.

Ok, listen up, Trollbot.

Nomad is far from being a troll.

This website is meant to be viewed by people that can handle continuity.

I couldn't agree more. That's why Nomad made those comments. Or weren't you paying attention?

Saint posted the newsbit at the beginning of this thread, wherein Pete Hines can be quoted as follows:

I played KOTOR with auto-pause turned on in the options, so that it pauses between each round of combat, thereby turning it into more of a turn-based (or round-based, let's not split hairs) experience. Baldur's Gate worked the same way -- KOTOR really just built on that combat system, IMHO -- depending on the settings you used. It's not true turn-based, but it sure is similar and I quite liked it.

To which Saint commented:

Phase based and turn based aren't the same thing.

Hines only stated that the auto-pause options made it similar in some way to turnbased. He didn't said, in that post, that it was the same. Hence, Nomad pointed out the following:

The point being that SP was being somewhat sensationalistic and not really all that accurate with his news item that started this thread.

Which i am inclined to agree, because in that initial news post, there was no claim by Pete Hines that those two combat systems were the same thing. However, Saint instead pointed out another, very different, older comment from Hines wherein in he does imply that KoTOR (phase-based) was turnbaded.

Now, there's no denying Hines made that little boo-boo in another interview, however, what Saint did was post a comment which was over the top when taking into consideration the current statement by Hines, not the older ones. The comments Saint made now are much more tailored to that old news, not this one, because Hines is not making any statement saying both systems are the same; rather, that they are similar. If Saint, or anyone, wants to harp on that past mistake of Hines, be my guest; but these comments from him did not warrant that comment.

 

[Briosafreak]

What in the name of god don`t you get about that underlined sentence Saint just posted Nomad? If you want to make the offended bitch act at least make it in a context where that makes sense. And learn to read other people newsbits, those quotes are made in diferent times, with this last one showing Pete really doesn`t know what TB is, or didn`t know, it wasn`t just a case of semantics like a few people on this topic posted, so it clearly was posted because of the discussion and wasn`t part of the news, where IGN was questioned, not Pete, in the first quote. Got it now?

By now he`ll probably know the concepts and i hope he won`t mix them again.

 

[Nomad]

Thanks for the comments RP.

kerec, Briosafreak - calm down. I never disagreed with the second statement SP posted. I simply said that he should’ve used that quote for the basis of his comments that started this thread.

Okay, I didn’t say it quite that nicely, but SP started it.


N.

[edit - corrected some grammar]

 

[plin]

Good job nomad and role-player. You explained it well.

 

[Vault Dweller]

Re: You go bye, bye.

what Saint did was post a comment which was over the top when taking into consideration the current statement by Hines, not the older ones.

Well, surely you guys realize that in this particular case, the older comment represents the actual point of view of a person in question? So, Pete goes and announces to the whole world that KOTOR is TB, gets a kick in the ass, and feeling enlightened, says that it's not TB, but similar.

If Saint, or anyone, wants to harp on that past mistake of Hines, be my guest; but these comments from him did not warrant that comment.

Past mistake? If it was a year ago, yeah, sure, it would have been "past". Otherwise, it's backpeddaling.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Vault, i already said that i believe he made a mistake with his assessment of the combat systems being the same. I'm not telling anyone to ignore that, nor am i saying he did not stated it. All i'm saying is that in this particular case, in this particular string of comments of Pete Hines, Saint's comment was inappropriate, because in none of those statements was he replicating his past assertion. Saint merely made a statement against his past point of view, when the statement Hines gave now was different.

 

[Vault Dweller]

You've decided to give Pete the benefits of the doubt. Good for you, RP, you are a nice person. However, just because you chose to believe that, doesn't mean that a person who chose not to is wrong or did something inappropriate.

Considering that bullshitting and backpeddaling is the nature of Pete's job, I'd not take any of his "follow ups" seriously.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

Vault, it's not the issue of giving someone the benefit of the doubt. This is quite different, because i'm not suggesting what he said in the past should be forgotten, or that what he said in the past can be put aside for the benefit of letting himself present a more correct point of view.

The issue is that the statement quoted on this thread was commented in a way as if he had just repeated what he said in his past statement. Saint isn't wrong because he decided to point out phasebased and turnbased are different; he's wrong because he pointed it out based on a statement that did not warrant that kind of distinction. Saint said that they weren't the same thing after Hines said that certain options made them look similar. If Saint wanted to tell Hines they weren't similar when Hines implied they were, again, fine with me; but his comment now wasn't necessary.

Seriously, me, Nomad and plin can't be the only ones to see the problem here. I hope the tagline that this site promotes intelligent discussion hasn't been replaced.

 

[Volourn]

LMAO Saint attacks this "news post" because of an older one. Geez.. Perhaps, you should stay more current in the news. Why quote one news post but then bash another one. R00fles!

As for actual content, obviously the older tidbit was off; and the newer one is more accurate. Next DRAMA, please.

 

[Araanor]

I wouldn't call KOTOR's combat similar to turn-based, so I don't think the two statements of his are very different. You get breathing room, that's a given in phase-based combat. However, actions are simultaneous. I'd say this puts KOTOR closer to real-time. It would be pretty meaningless to call it similar to both real-time and turn-based.

 

[Diogo Ribeiro]

I wouldn't call KOTOR's combat similar to turn-based, so I don't think the two statements of his are very different.

So, you don't think implying turnbased and phasebased are the same thing is different from saying that phasebased becomes similar to turnbased with some added options?

>Turnbased works, just look at KoTOR.

>KoTOR, with autopause options enabled, was similar to turnbased.

That seems a bit different to me, Aaranor.

 

[Briosafreak]

o, you don't think implying turnbased and phasebased are the same thing is different from saying that phasebased becomes similar to turnbased with some added options?

>Turnbased works, just look at KoTOR.

>KoTOR, with autopause options enabled, was similar to turnbased.

That seems a bit different to me, Aaranor.

Sure they are, but i thought the second quote beeing the center of the newsbit, and the second beeing in the follow up of the discussion is a pretty simple thing to understand, so why are you trying to confuse both quotes? They each have their own context, that seems pretty straight forward, they were said in diferent times and were posted by Saint in different ocasions for different purposes, so what`s the drama now? Pete didn`t or doesn`t know what turn based is, like the that first quote you put shows,wich is a thing that came naturally from the discussion of the newsbit, that had the other quote, and was directed to the gaffe made by IGN.

So again what is the problem specially since

If Saint wanted to tell Hines they weren't similar when Hines implied they were, again, fine with me; but his comment now wasn't necessary.

Saint has talked to Pete in past and still does? I really don`t get why that comment is unnecessary, if it comes in the discussion that was taking place.

Pointing the fact he doesn`t knew what he was talking about is the better way to help him, to let him improve his knowledge and start doing better PR, than excusing everything he does, particularly at this early stage.

 

[Vault Dweller]

The issue is that the statement quoted on this thread was commented in a way as if he had just repeated what he said in his past statement. Saint isn't wrong because he decided to point out phasebased and turnbased are different; he's wrong because he pointed it out based on a statement that did not warrant that kind of distinction.

I disagree. I think that main issue here is Pete's ability to define, understand, and identify different combat systems. Btw, I'm not sure that he needs to know these things, him being a PR guy and all, but since we're having this discussion, we might as well talk about good ol' Pete here. So, first Pete demonstrated that he doesn't have a clue what system KOTOR had, then he says that TB and PB are merely similar. Well, they are, but that's very vogue since similarity depends on the point of view. To an untrained eye, BG and IWD games are similar, yet they are different as day and night if you understand the subject, which, like I said, is the main question here: does Pete understand the subject? I don't know why Saint posted the older comment, but I would have done the same to show that Pete lacks understanding and is trying to weasel his way out by using generic phrases that could be interpreted in a number of ways, which, coincidentally, is what Pete does for a living.

 

[Araanor]

I wouldn't call KOTOR's combat similar to turn-based, so I don't think the two statements of his are very different.

So, you don't think implying turnbased and phasebased are the same thing is different from saying that phasebased becomes similar to turnbased with some added options?

>Turnbased works, just look at KoTOR.

>KoTOR, with autopause options enabled, was similar to turnbased.

That seems a bit different to me, Aaranor.

Different, yes. But not very different. At least, in the context.