KickStarter Phoenix Point - the new game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

[Raghar]

Yes,in real fire fights cover doesn't make you immortal too.

But it's better when games are trying to be realistic. Like this...

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Do bullets penetrate things on current version?
I know that it wasn't included in backer build 3.

 

[fantadomat]

Yes,in real fire fights cover doesn't make you immortal too.

But it's better when games are trying to be realistic. Like this...

LoL this clip is such a fucking caricature lol. Didn't know that shooting at the floor with WW2 rifle makes it collapse lol.

 

[prengle]

goddamn. just take a look at this lanky motherfucking gremlin. take a gander. look into gollop's eyes. absolute bastard

 

[Cyberarmy]

So just tried to play this and only thing I got was a black screen...
I got what I deserved I guess...

 

[Galdred]

Yes,in real fire fights cover doesn't make you immortal too.

But it's better when games are trying to be realistic. Like this...

Yes, a 20 cm hole on the ground is an impassible obstacle (also, lol at piercing [edit: opening holes in] wall and floor with a WW2 rifle).
That said, combat in Silent Storms and SSS was really cool.

 

[ArchAngel]

So just tried to play this and only thing I got was a black screen...
I got what I deserved I guess...

Upgrade your wood PC into a stone PC.

 

[Adidas-Clichèd Cringe]

So game bad?

also, lol at piercing wall and floor with a WW2 rifle.

Piercing a wooden wall and floor with a WW2 era bolt-action rifle doesn't seem that impossible to me.

 

[Shog-goth]

Piercing a wooden wall and floor with a WW2 era bolt-action rifle doesn't seem that impossible to me.

When I was in the Army, for training we used WWII-era Garand M1 semi-auto rifle and 3 cm wooden targets at 100 mt often were pierced or plain broked, so it's not impossible at all specially at point blank.

 

[Galdred]

So game bad?

also, lol at piercing wall and floor with a WW2 rifle.

Piercing a wooden wall and floor with a WW2 era bolt-action rifle doesn't seem that impossible to me.

Indeed, but the wall seems to be brick or concrete. Piercing it is totally reasonable, but creating large man sized holes in it (or the floor) seems a bit over the top to me.

 

[ArchAngel]

So game bad?

also, lol at piercing wall and floor with a WW2 rifle.

Piercing a wooden wall and floor with a WW2 era bolt-action rifle doesn't seem that impossible to me.

Indeed, but the wall seems to be brick or concrete. Piercing it is totally reasonable, but creating large man sized holes in it (or the floor) seems a bit over the top to me.

Maybe the house was full of termites and a few bullets is all it took for walls to start breaking apart :D

 

[Mazisky]

I don't know why some guys, while comparing this to Xcom 2, criticize its bugs: they forgot that Xcom 2 was a shitty messy pile of bugs and glitches at launch. It took months to fix them.

 

[Cyberarmy]

So just tried to play this and only thing I got was a black screen...
I got what I deserved I guess...

Upgrade your wood PC into a stone PC.

LoL, it's hard to upgrade ebony wood.

 

[ArchAngel]

I don't know why some guys, while comparing this to Xcom 2, criticize its bugs: they forgot that Xcom 2 was a shitty messy pile of bugs and glitches at launch. It took months to fix them.

Don't lie
It took an expansion to fix it. Base Xcom 2 game is the most shitty, buggy piece of shit software I ever played. And I am only talking about its engine and bugs.

 

[orcinator]

Is there a "list of havens" button or do I have to check each haven individually if I don't want to recruit another fucking berserker.

 

[Galdred]

I don't know why some guys, while comparing this to Xcom 2, criticize its bugs: they forgot that Xcom 2 was a shitty messy pile of bugs and glitches at launch. It took months to fix them.

That's why it should not be a big issue if the polished complete Steam version launches at the same time as XCOM 3 not-an-early-access version.
The main issue is that if they had to launch on epic store to fund further development, it might not bring that much more than what they got in advance or whatever. I don't know of many people who purchase games on Epic Game Store.

 

[cvv]

I don't know of many people who purchase games on Epic Game Store.

That's because those people's lives are not entirely consumed by ranting about this issue on the interwebz all of their waking time. I've bought 4 or 5 games on Epic and I got 10 more that I grabbed for free but I don't feel the urge to remind people about it at every opportunity. I also long gave up trying to talk to the anti-Epic crowd. All you get from that is spittle in your eyes.

 

[Child of Malkav]

I don't know why some guys, while comparing this to Xcom 2, criticize its bugs: they forgot that Xcom 2 was a shitty messy pile of bugs and glitches at launch. It took months to fix them.

Don't lie
It took an expansion to fix it. Base Xcom 2 game is the most shitty, buggy piece of shit software I ever played. And I am only talking about its engine and bugs.

No it's not. The title of " most shitty, buggy piece of software" clearly goes to Underworld Ascendant. Period.

 

[Mazisky]

I don't know of many people who purchase games on Epic Game Store.

That's because those people's lives are not entirely consumed by ranting about this issue on the interwebz all of their waking time. I've bought 4 or 5 games on Epic and I got 10 more that I grabbed for free but I don't feel the urge to remind people about it at every opportunity. I also long gave up trying to talk to the anti-Epic crowd. All you get from that is spittle in your eyes.

As usual, as soon as some random hate bandwagon pops out on the internet, thousands of sheeps jump into it.

Shit-talking about Epic Store is like ranting against racism, but for gaming.

Do you remember the en-masse hate on Blizzard after the Honk Kong controversy? It all disappeared as soon as they announced Diablo 4.

Some of them have legitimate criticism and arguments, but the majority are just empty heads to fill with whatever random stuff is available at the moment, expecially if there is something to hate or complain vs.

 

[Jimmious]

Sorry I'm confused, are you trying to say that ranting against racism is a "random hate bandwagon"?

 

[Mazisky]

Sorry I'm confused, are you trying to say that ranting against racism is a "random hate bandwagon"?

it is when it's done just because others do, and not because you believe in it.

 

[PanteraNera]

The lack of enemy variety is another huge problem. During Phoenix Point’s initial Fig crowdfunding campaign, the game’s developers promised creatures that would adapt their tactics and even their physical makeup over the course of the game’s campaign, mutating themselves to counteract players on the fly. I never saw anything like that happen. The handful of critters that I met in the game’s opening hours were identical to the ones I went up against 20 hours in.

https://www.polygon.com/2019/12/3/20993568/phoenix-point-xcom-impressions

Heh, what was said at all the times? "We are holding back content for surprises when the game gets released".
More likely there never was more content than what was shown in the BackerBuilds.

So no Juggernaut (I posted some WIP pictures in here, also Julian mentioned it in the interview), nor any other new aliens?

No other "boss" than the crabqueen?

I am amazed at how much got cut from the game. What was that? "We delay the game because it has gotten so huge". "We take all the epic money to make more content".

Damn what a shame.

Nope haven't played it (yet).

Has anything big changed between BB5 and the RC? Any new content? New enemies? Are weapon mods in? Or soldier customization?

As far as I can tell the answer is No to all of these questions.

Wow, just wow!

 

[cvv]

Heh, what was said at all the times? "We are holding back content for surprises when the game gets released".
More likely there never was more content than what was shown in the BackerBuilds.

You think only Kickstarter games cut content and change shit? You think games paid by publishers always end up exactly the way they were planned?

Gollop is stupid not because he didn't deliver on what he promised but because he made any specific promises in the first place. Sure, if you're on Kickstarter, you have to offer people SOME kind of roadmap but you should always keep the specificity to a bare minimum because, as Daniel Vavra said, making a game is not a factory production, it's more like research and development and you're always mobbed by surprises and unforseen obstacles.

Now it's entirely possible they cut content in the vanilla with the intention of selling it as DLCs. But it's more likely they just ran out of time, money, talent or they did it while polishing and balancing the game. Or a hundred other possible reasons.

 

[Zombra]

Game is out? I haven't followed dev at all for like two years. What am I getting for my backer $? Should I be excited to finally play this? Share your feelings.

 

[Mazisky]

Game is out? I haven't followed dev at all for like two years. What am I getting for my backer $? Should I be excited to finally play this? Share your feelings.

To sum up critics and users opinion:

Pros:

-Deep gameplay
-Good strategy layer
-Nice art

Cons:

-Bad graphics
-Few and repetitive maps
-Feels rushed and unpolished
-Not enough different from Nuxcom