KickStarter Phoenix Point - the new game from X-COM creator Julian Gollop

[MadMaxHellfire]

civ7. or, shudders and shivers, beyond retardearth 2.

 

[baud]

Or a new game based on the nuXCOM IP, like Interceptor or Enforcer.

But if they intended to release XCOM 3 this year, I think they would have talked about it by now: both XCOM 1 & 2 had less than a year between announcement and release

 

[Infinitron]

A Phoenix Point Tutorial, aimed for beginners to the game or genre. In this video - Damage, Health & Armor.

 

[Mazisky]

civ7. or, shudders and shivers, beyond retardearth 2.

Can't be Civ. As i said, the hiring announce specifically says "Xcom team". There are other Firaxis job announces that specify "Civ Team" instead.

 

[ArchAngel]

I have been playing the new patch and DLC. They fixed some problems and bugs but introduced a bunch of new ones.. baby steps..

 

[orcinator]

My daddy works at Nova-Com the new game is Civ but with X-Com aliens

 

[Shog-goth]

baby steps..

Crayfish steps, maybe. One step forward, two steps back...

 

[ArchAngel]

baby steps..

Crayfish steps, maybe. One step forward, two steps back...

I take that back, these devs are morons.

People scream about how melee is terrible. In patch they buff all melee damage by 20 damage (not nearly enough) but in DLC they introduce body part that lets you use melee weapons for 1 AP instead of 2.. Pay2Win!

Then people scream how infiltrators are OP and you can either be 100% invisible or using sniper rifles from half the map away, be in stealth all the time and do 2x damage with every shot. Devs in last patch make it so if you use non silenced weapons you lose stealth always and then in DLC they introduce head part that makes all weapons you use silent.. Pay2Wiin!

Fucking morons.

 

[Mazisky]

I feel sorry for ArchAngel , he like the game and he is really passionate about it, but it seems like bad management by devs is crushing his love for the game.

 

[PanteraNera]

baby steps..

Crayfish steps, maybe. One step forward, two steps back...

I take that back, these devs are morons.

People scream about how melee is terrible. In patch they buff all melee damage by 20 damage (not nearly enough) but in DLC they introduce body part that lets you use melee weapons for 1 AP instead of 2.. Pay2Win!

Then people scream how infiltrators are OP and you can either be 100% invisible or using sniper rifles from half the map away, be in stealth all the time and do 2x damage with every shot. Devs in last patch make it so if you use non silenced weapons you lose stealth always and then in DLC they introduce head part that makes all weapons you use silent.. Pay2Wiin!

Fucking morons.

To answer with a quote from you:

You sound butthurt

 

[PanteraNera]

Why do writing on my own if I can just copy paste from Reddit.

OrcusDei

12h

Disclaimer: I really like this game, I kinda like the new missions too. More missions the better. This meme was meant to be a joke. Like sure, I feel this way to certain extent, i think more of us do, and thats what makes it funny, but this is oversimplification of everything. Good, bad... there is so much more behind this game and there is more to come. Sending love to indie supporters, backers and devs too!


XelNigma
10h

Rimworld just got some DLC that adds more bionics, Installing even simple things like an elbow blade or hand spike feels way more like installing bionics than just equipping some leg armor that I cant take off that makes my soliders look very stupid and top heavy.


MrMobster
14h

Pretty much sums up my feelings as well. I actually had to laugh when I saw the Pure transmission with the "anger flares".

To back PP was a spontaneous decision for me after I watched the relevant by Julian. I though "oh great, they are finally making a proper spiritual successor to X-COM with some interesting new mechanics"! In retrospect, I really should have waited. The game delivered almost nothing from what I expected.

Well, not quite. The music is great, I admit.


Pray_
7h

I was really excited for this but somehow Phoenix Point has managed to fail again,


Bluefenix32
18h

Thanks for the heads up, was going to give this game a second chance after the DLC but I think I'll pass.

This was the game that killed early access for me (he says whilst playing satisfactory) either your product is worth the pricetag TODAY or I pass.


DrCongaJr
17h

I don't think you should be looking to memes for an accurate assessment of a game.


bagehis
17h

The reviews are less charitable and funny than the memes. Link. I'm sure his hope was that this DLC would add the depth that causes the game to not feel like a chore in mid-to-late game. That's my hope as well.


Bluefenix32
16h

Also memes are there for a reason, specially when nobody is dennying the nessage.

I was hoping that indeed and just to make the experience more engaging and exiting.


Bluefenix32
16h

From a review at metacritic:

I can't get over how basic this game is, like it was plucked straight out of the 90's with little to no changes.

This, together with the lack of variety of e enies in a game that promised precisely that (with the modular enemies) and everyones facelessnes (I don't care about any of the factions and they feel very flat is what I couldn't put into words

https://www.reddit.com/r/PhoenixPoint/comments/ffdc47/basically_how_i_feel/

 

[ArchAngel]

baby steps..

Crayfish steps, maybe. One step forward, two steps back...

I take that back, these devs are morons.

People scream about how melee is terrible. In patch they buff all melee damage by 20 damage (not nearly enough) but in DLC they introduce body part that lets you use melee weapons for 1 AP instead of 2.. Pay2Win!

Then people scream how infiltrators are OP and you can either be 100% invisible or using sniper rifles from half the map away, be in stealth all the time and do 2x damage with every shot. Devs in last patch make it so if you use non silenced weapons you lose stealth always and then in DLC they introduce head part that makes all weapons you use silent.. Pay2Wiin!

Fucking morons.

To answer with a quote from you:

You sound butthurt

At the moment I am. I am still playing it but I am slowly losing faith in these devs. I was hoping this patch + dlc would show us that the game is going in a better direction but it is just more of the same. Slow progress with new bugs and 50% questionable design decisions.

 

[PanteraNera]

At the moment I am. I am still playing it but I am slowly losing faith in these devs. I was hoping this patch + dlc would show us that the game is going in a better direction but it is just more of the same. Slow progress with new bugs and 50% questionable design decisions.

I had the same hope .

 

[Shog-goth]

Slow progress with new bugs and 50% questionable design decisions

It's the same refrain, from the very beginning.

I had the same hope

Sadly I hadn't. I lost every little inch of hope for a long time.

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

i still don't get why you're all acting surprised and outraged. all this was clear since the first change in art direction, and unavoidable when they moved to the epic fail store.

 

[PanteraNera]

I had the same hope

Sadly I hadn't. I lost every little inch of hope for a long time.

To be clear:
I am not surprised that they haven't delivered, it was the most likely outcome.

But I mean they kept saying that they were holding back stuff since when BB1? when Backer Build 5 was released the same, holding back content for surprises. What content? What surprises? I haven't seen any major new content between BB5 and the RC.
They showed and talked about some stuff, like the Juggernaut, like that flying alien, the Pianist, the Behemoths and other stuff, like weapon modifications. I hoped some of the stuff would come with the DLC's / free content patches. But three months after release, no word about this, and than they have the balls or rather insanity to release this shit?
After that there is no glimpse of hope left.

They are notorious liars. Or so delusional that they believe their own crap.

 

[lightbane]

Your faith was sadly misplaced. On the plus side, with Extraterrestrials 2 and Xenonauts 2 incoming, you will be able to forget about this broken piece of shit filled with Chinese spyware.

 

[Shog-goth]

They are notorious liars.

Ditto.

 

[ArchAngel]

Your faith was sadly misplaced. On the plus side, with Extraterrestrials 2 and Xenonauts 2 incoming, you will be able to forget about this broken piece of shit filled with Chinese spyware.

I doubt Xenonauts 2 will give us anything more than Xeno 1 in better engine. And Xeno 1 was lacking in many ways.

 

[lightbane]

They're still better than PP here, if only because they don't use Epic... For now.

 

[ArchAngel]

They're still better than PP here, if only because they don't use Epic... For now.

That is a stupid reason, you can always pirate it.

Current state Xeno is more polished and complete game than current state PP but PP can become a much better and original game by the time devs decide to give up.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

xeno has a linux client which immediately makes it superior

 

[Grotesque]

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

did this bomb yet? last time i ask this because i finally put my dirty paws on it.
i like taking aim, i also like the free aim, the times of willingly shooting down a wall to take it down are back. there seems to be variety in enemies, this is always good. there is in weapons and armors too, but without a "compare" it's actually a nightmare. i'm not liking the geoscape much, and i hate hard time limits. how many maps are there? three? four? because i had the same one three times in a row. but i was ready to turn a blind eye to all of this. the real deal breaker is the ai: it cheats. shamelessly.
new jericho steal research map, behind the first small building two heavy spawned, one of whom with a grenade launcher. with line of sight with only one of my men he always bombarded the rest of my team. i restarted the mission several times to verify this, and he always dropped a grenade in the midst of the group he couldn't see, it didn't matter how far and how hidden i stashed them, he would always hit them. this is retarded and ruins the whole combat experience.

 

[holla_cabezas_de_mierda]

i still don't get why you're all acting surprised and outraged. all this was clear since the first change in art direction, and unavoidable when they moved to the epic fail store.

the art change is and was unfathomable to me. I really just can't imagine what they were thinking. It looks so much worse, the motorcycle people with the bumpy armor. WHY?

The only reason I maintain hope for this game is that I think there may be some slight possibility that when it is released on steam with the workshop that eventually mods will release some total overhaul longwar type mod and restore the original vision. Because I do think there is a good game buried in here somewhere- especially once they get all the DLC out (if onlly to give mods more content to work with). But its clearly going to have to be mods because these developers have completely lost their way.

Even when the developers do manage to release some update or small DLC it seemingly takes them forever to accomplish, and feels somehow like a massive struggle. I get the feeling they hate working on the game anymore, and likely that has been the case for some time now. From an outside perspective I get the impression its painful for them to keep coming in everyday and that they are just going through the motions which is why everything feels so generic. They are not immersed in the world- they are just trying to get this all over with. Its partly an Epic issue that might evoke results like this (the cash upfront) but something else happened here; not sure what it was, but the creativity and passion suddenly drained from the project at one point and it coincided with the artwork and theme change like you said. I simply can't imagine what they were thinking, or why they thought that this would be a better direction. I really would be fascinated to find out someday.