Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Shevek]

I am sure they will address the issue. Hopefully soon.

 

[Sensuki]

Discussing Ranger Health Mechanics with Josh on SA atm

Well the problem is that both threats (the Ranger and the Companion) die at once when you kill one of them. I'm just thinking it would be more interesting if when one died, the other one lost TotalEndurance*0.4 or 0.5 (or whatever) from their current endurance or something, that way the optimal way to beat the class is more than just attack the ranger only.

We've considered doing something similar to that, with the partner gaining a debuff (rather than simply losing Endurance/Health) but there have been enough bugs in how shared Endurance and animal companion-specific Abilities were working that I didn't want to switch over quite yet.

 

[tuluse]

The more I think about health/endurance the more I think it shouldn't be a strict ratio.

It should be something more like halve the ratio and then if a character goes down they lose a bunch of health at once. So like this: a character has 100 endurance and 800 heath. If hey get knocked out, they lose 100 health.

That way there is an incentive to keeping all your dudes up in combat.

 

[Shevek]

Ranger pet should not share health at all. Instead, ranger talents/attacks should be focused on coordinating attacks with the pet. That way, when pet goes down, ranger is not able to use most of its attacks. This is similar to how some of the abilities for the Mad Dog Barbarian archetype for Pathfinder work.

http://www.d20pfsrd.com/classes/cor...chetypes/paizo---barbarian-archetypes/mad-dog

 

[Sensuki]

Josh gave me this quip on SA just before ... I wonder if that's related to my Engagement thread lmao

In general, I think it's risky to draw conclusions about anything from the fight with Medreth et al. It's about the most advantageous setup the player could ever ask for.

I should do some against Lions and Beetles.

 

[Shevek]

Do some in the last dungeon. If you can do it there, that will drive the point home.

 

[aeonsim]

Josh gave me this quip on SA just before ... I wonder if that's related to my Engagement thread lmao

In general, I think it's risky to draw conclusions about anything from the fight with Medreth et al. It's about the most advantageous setup the player could ever ask for.

I should do some against Lions and Beetles.

Try the party by the egg, they're still not initially hostile but it maybe more challenging.

 

[Sensuki]

With that one you can abuse the crap out of that by only sending one party member forward, and then having them run down the hill to the rest of your party.

 

[Rake]

With that one you can abuse the crap out of that by only sending one party member forward, and then having them run down the hill to the rest of your party.

Tell that to Sawyer. The fact that your party never walks into an ambuse from nowhere means that the player will always come to combat in his own terms. Whether he will initiate combat by attacking with one character and then walk away(Medreth et al.) or move the same character into enemies Line of sight and then walk away (already hostile enemies) doesn't make a difference.

 

[tuluse]

Do the boss encounter in the temple.

No I don't care you get 20 fps

 

[Hormalakh]

Josh gave me this quip on SA just before ... I wonder if that's related to my Engagement thread lmao

In general, I think it's risky to draw conclusions about anything from the fight with Medreth et al. It's about the most advantageous setup the player could ever ask for.

I should do some against Lions and Beetles.

Yep! I told you that's the first thing he'd say: "Oh well Medreth's easy. Let's see you do that to a dragon!" There are going to be a lot of "but! what if's" that you're going to have to show. That basically means that you'll have to prove to them in several scenarios why it fails...

And in the mean time they'll continue to chug away at a useless mechanic.

BTW - very excellent job sensuki - I wonder if my paper is even needed at this point.

 

[Sensuki]

I'll do some more tonight and post them in the thread - beetles, lions etc - same shit. Their QA team is probably trying it out right now as well tbh.

tuluse that guy is a ranged enemy IIRC

 

[tuluse]

I'll do some more tonight and post them in the thread - beetles, lions etc - same shit. Their QA team is probably trying it out right now as well tbh.

tuluse that guy is a ranged enemy IIRC

The boss encounter is group of enemies.

 

[Shevek]

How about the spiders in the Ogre Cave? Lots of melee. That should be a good test.

Still, even against Medreth, that cheese shouldnt be that easy to pull off. I am surprised at Josh's reaction, honestly.

 

[Seari]

Don't be surprised, he's an idiot.

 

[Infinitron]

The bigger idiot is the guy who doesn't ask for a refund despite being fully convinced that he funded another idiot

Still, even against Medreth, that cheese shouldnt be that easy to pull off. I am surprised at Josh's reaction, honestly.

Well, he said "in general", ie, he was not referring to a specific "cheese", one of which he might feel differently about.

 

[Sensuki]

I was talking about the Ranger in Medreth's group being easy to kill before he said that, so it could have meant multiple things.

 

[Shevek]

The bigger idiot is the guy who doesn't ask for a refund despite being fully convinced that he funded another idiot

He said "in general", ie, he was not referring to a specific "cheese".

This is true but it does encompass it. Also, this exploit, its so simple, so easy to generalize and abuse against melee opponents, that I felt the brevity of Josh's response just wasnt enough. I guess I just want to be assured that they are looking at it (even though, I am sure they are).

I was talking about the Ranger in Medreth's group being easy to kill before he said that, so it could have meant multiple things.

That makes sense.

 

[Seari]

The bigger idiot is the guy who doesn't ask for a refund despite being fully convinced that he funded another idiot

Can't argue with you there.

 

[Ninjerk]

Infinitron can you give yourself a fanboy tag?

 

[LizardWizard]

With that one you can abuse the crap out of that by only sending one party member forward, and then having them run down the hill to the rest of your party.

Soo, just like any IE game then.

 

[Rake]

With that one you can abuse the crap out of that by only sending one party member forward, and then having them run down the hill to the rest of your party.

Soo, just like any IE game then.

With the difference that here this is literaly the only thing you need to do. The "rest of the party" autokills everything that comes near it with disengagment attacks without you be required to click anything. You can win the encounters without attacking even once, just running around. Josh wanted to fix kiting, instead he "balanced" it by making it possible for all classes, and removing the "attack" from the "attack while running away"
Huge improvement...

 

[Hormalakh]

The bigger idiot is the guy who doesn't ask for a refund despite being fully convinced that he funded another idiot

When will Infinitron get a "fanboy" tag?

edit: dammnit Ninjerk! I didn't see your post.

 

[Hormalakh]

With that one you can abuse the crap out of that by only sending one party member forward, and then having them run down the hill to the rest of your party.

Soo, just like any IE game then.

With the difference that here this is literaly the only thing you need to do. The "rest of the party" autokills everything that comes near it with disengagment attacks without you be required to click anything. You can win the encounters without attacking even once, just running around. Josh wanted to fix kiting, instead he "balanced" it by making it possible for all classes, and removing the "attack" from the "attack while running away"
Huge improvement...

:D. At least now fighters are a viable option compared to ... kiting fighters?

 

[Rake]

With that one you can abuse the crap out of that by only sending one party member forward, and then having them run down the hill to the rest of your party.

Soo, just like any IE game then.

With the difference that here this is literaly the only thing you need to do. The "rest of the party" autokills everything that comes near it with disengagment attacks without you be required to click anything. You can win the encounters without attacking even once, just running around. Josh wanted to fix kiting, instead he "balanced" it by making it possible for all classes, and removing the "attack" from the "attack while running away"
Huge improvement...

:D. At least now fighters are a viable option compared to ... kiting fighters?