Pillars of Eternity Beta Discussion [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Sensuki]

AGAIN!

 

[Athelas]

Looks like there's now gonna be no Rogue companion though :S weird.

Not surprising considering every class can use 'thief' skills.

 

[Sensuki]

They're good to have in combat though, with that multiplier stacking. Hopefully they switch from multiplicative to additive bonuses though as that would flatten out the damage. I haven't seen anyone say they want multiplicative, everyone seems to prefer additive bonuses.

 

[Roguey]

Anyway, looking forward to both Carries and Olivias charachters. Wondering if Obsidians luck/know-how continues in finding decent writers.

Carrie Patel is a fan of Lesi/Benjanun Sriduangkaew, just thought you should know. ^_^

And some of youse thought Josh was "bad" about certain subjects.

 

[Sensuki]

Hey I just found a Leather Armor with a different texture, like Anthony Davis was talking about. Must have snuck some into the last build. Different icon and texture.

 

[Havoc]

Question: I didn't follow the development process (even when I donated to the Codex fund raise or Kickstarter - I took the boxed ver.), so I know very little about the game, just so I don't spoil anything for me. Can you play an evil character? I'm thinking of playing a ruthless dwarf or a pragmatic human wizard.

gib answer

 

[Infinitron]

gib answer

Of course you can, this is an Obsidian game. Reactivity awaits.

http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Disposition

 

[J_C]

I think the possible benefits (basically, the chance to get more NPC content and development) from having a "smaller" quantity of companions outweights the negatives, which are basically that there's more classes than companions, and this is fixed with the possibility of making your own party.

Although I've never been a fan of the Baldur's Gate companions. The ones from the first one have little to no personality, and the ones from the second one I wish most of them stayed quiet. I love BG2, but I hate the party interactions.

Well, I'm on the opinion that even a badly written companion is better than a blank slate, so I'm a little disappointed that there are only a few of them. Not a gamebreaking stuff obviously, just a little negative.

 

[Havoc]

Of course you can, this is an Obsidian game. Reactivity awaits.

http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Disposition

 

[Athelas]

They're good to have in combat though, with that multiplier stacking. Hopefully they switch from multiplicative to additive bonuses though as that would flatten out the damage. I haven't seen anyone say they want multiplicative, everyone seems to prefer additive bonuses.

All the classes are supposed to be good in combat. You pointed out that a rogue was one of the 'core four' in D&D, but that's because they were the only ones with full access to the thief skills, which isn't the case in PoE.

Also, Fighter!Eder can engage more enemies and Obsidian really wants you to like the engagement system.

 

[Duraframe300]

Hopefully it doesn't end up like NWN2 where there were few companions and half of them were...not so great.

One of NWN2's problems during development was that there were too many companions.

Granted, comparativly to Baldur's Gate 2 its *few*, but not exactly compared to most other *modern* rpgs.

 

[Sensuki]

You pointed out that a rogue was one of the 'core four' in D&D

Nah they were core four in the Kickstarter.

 

[Arkeus]

One of NWN2's problems during development was that there were too many companions.

Granted, comparativly to Baldur's Gate 2 its *few*, but not exactly compared to most other *modern* rpgs.

Really?
Paladin, Sorceress, Druid, Monk, Wizard, Rogue, Ranger, Priest, Warlock..... That's 9, right?
And at least two of those you got really late, and two others had minial dialogs. I guess you can count the squire, too.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Of course you can, this is an Obsidian game. Reactivity awaits.

http://pillarsofeternity.gamepedia.com/Disposition

Are there any examples yet where this system works in a different way than a pointlessly convoluted karma system? I mean, the four reactions listed so far are:

Cruel 2 Nridek, Lle a Rhemen It will attack you even if you want to let him go.
Deceptive 2 Nridek, Lle a Rhemen It will attack you even if you want to let him go.
Honest 3 Dengler, Dyrford He will give you information for the quest Blood Legacy.
Benovolent 2 Dengler, Dyrford He will give you information for the quest Blood Legacy.

So one character attacks you if you're bad (i.e. cruel and/or deceptive), and another helps you if you're good (i.e. honest and/or benevolent).

 

[Surf Solar]

IWD2 even has a Ravel Puzzlewell incarnation.

That was in the addon for IWD I as well.

 

[Athelas]

Are there any examples yet where this system works in a different way than a pointlessly convoluted karma system? I mean, the four reactions listed so far are:

Cruel 2 Nridek, Lle a Rhemen It will attack you even if you want to let him go.
Deceptive 2 Nridek, Lle a Rhemen It will attack you even if you want to let him go.
Honest 3 Dengler, Dyrford He will give you information for the quest Blood Legacy.
Benovolent 2 Dengler, Dyrford He will give you information for the quest Blood Legacy.

So one character attacks you if you're bad (i.e. cruel and/or deceptive), and another helps you if you're good (i.e. honest and/or benevolent).

You're using a sample size of two characters to judge an entire game mechanic? It's not a morality system - you can also get punished for choosing 'good' options. There are also other trade-offs - 'benevolent' often involves turning down quests rewards.

 

[Infinitron]

Well, it's a fair question. I don't know if that list is complete, but we are talking about a beta with minimum plot spoilers. I'm quite certain they didn't give you the option to be cruel without being deceptive or vice versa for no reason.

 

[Sensuki]

They added more in v364 I think.

 

[Duraframe300]

Really?
Paladin, Sorceress, Druid, Monk, Wizard, Rogue, Ranger, Priest, Warlock..... That's 9, right?
And at least two of those you got really late, and two others had minial dialogs. I guess you can count the squire, too.

Your forgetting someone there Its even 12 (IIRC) if you count the construct as well. Its more than any Obsidian game after had.

Anyway, more importantly yes. I remember an interview mentioning it.

BTW They took big lessons narrativly (well not just narrativly but you get what i mean) out of this whole fiasco. For example they began dividing companions evenly between writers. (Which is the main reason NWN2 had too many companions)

IIRC Avellone did a whole bunch of them and in the process had to half ass a lot of things.

 

[Jim the Dinosaur]

Well, it's a fair question. I don't know if that list is complete, but we are talking about a beta with minimum plot spoilers.

Well, the entire list of reaction modifiers in that wiki, some 40 in total, so not as small a sample as with the actual effects, are all in the honest/benevolent and cruel/deceptive categories, thus falling neatly along the morality system divide.

Could just be because of the beta thing like you said of course, or maybe the wiki leaves out a lot for some reason.

I'm quite certain they didn't give you the option to be cruel without being deceptive or vice versa for no reason.

Well, apparently Dengler cares slightly more about honesty than benevolency, so I suppose they could use it for a more finetuned morality system

 

[Kem0sabe]

Wonder how equally they will distribute class specific dialogue throughout the game. The cypher for example gets some nice dialogue in the beta.

That's one of the things I will factor when choosing my character

 

[coffeetable]

Wonder how equally they will distribute class specific dialogue throughout the game. The cypher for example gets some nice dialogue in the beta.

That's one of the things I will factor when choosing my character

considering the creative lead, im p sure specialist dialogue will be distributed between classes, between skills, between attributes, and between reputations. not perfectly distributed, but it def won't be a PST-style WISDOM RULES ALL clusterfuck

 

[Duraframe300]

http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive

 

[Bleed the Man]

Is there any info about what part are they going to stream?

I guess is not the beginning area again, covered already by the annoying stream with Jesse Cox, although with the obsession to not spoil anything story related I wouldn't be sure that they won't stream the same bits again.

 

[Infinitron]

http://www.twitch.tv/paradoxinteractive

There's still 4.5 hours until it begins...

Is there any info about what part are they going to stream?

I guess is not the beginning area again, covered already by the annoying stream with Jesse Cox, although with the obsession to not spoil anything story related I wouldn't be sure that they won't stream the same bits again.

http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ta-release-thread.93694/page-296#post-3694756 "never-before-seen content"