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Eternity Pillars of Eternity II Beta Thread [GAME RELEASED, GO TO NEW THREAD]

Salvo

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Oh the usual "I want to use my imagination and make up the emotions" bullshit. Are you people mental? Are you LARPing out those scenes in your head?

The silent protagonist is much more important to have, because that is actually your unique character, so it is logical for that to be silent and imagine his/her voice. And that is untouched AFAIK. But other NPCs in the world are established characters, who actually shouldn't be silent. The creator of those characters know what they should sound like, so actually it makes sense to have them voiced.

Now that being said, I also don't support full VO in a text heavy game like this, but for other reasons. I don't like it because I have to read a lot in the game, and it is much faster to read than to listen the VO of every character. Of course I can skip the VO, but in that case what is the point of having it.

Keep in mind though that fully voicing a game to the degree Obsidian has done (voicing every single line of dialogue) is quite resource intensive, resources that could have been spent for something else. The same could have been said for Original Sin 2, also fully voiced. (and wastefully so, if I may say mine)
 

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Oh the usual "I want to use my imagination and make up the emotions" bullshit. Are you people mental? Are you LARPing out those scenes in your head?

The silent protagonist is much more important to have, because that is actually your unique character, so it is logical for that to be silent and imagine his/her voice. And that is untouched AFAIK. But other NPCs in the world are established characters, who actually shouldn't be silent. The creator of those characters know what they should sound like, so actually it makes sense to have them voiced.

Now that being said, I also don't support full VO in a text heavy game like this, but for other reasons. I don't like it because I have to read a lot in the game, and it is much faster to read than to listen the VO of every character. Of course I can skip the VO, but in that case what is the point of having it.

Keep in mind though that fully voicing a game to the degree Obsidian has done (voicing every single line of dialogue) is quite resource intensive, resources that could have been spent for something else. The same could have been said for Original Sin 2, also fully voiced. (and wastefully so, if I may say mine)
Yes you are right, that is another reason why full VO shouldn't be in a game like this, if you are not a AAA company with money to waste.
 

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Meanwhile, this thread is nearing it's 30th page.

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Wtf barik cant remove armor...
 

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Chris Avellone said:
I didn’t get anything when I left Obsidian. There were no share payouts, no equity, and this was in addition to the other logistical problems around the departure – the sudden cancellation of my health insurance, problems with my 401K, errors in Obsidian’s accounting, and several existing independent contracts they refused to uphold.
Chris Avellone said:
Realizing my family issues and the debts therein, however, they did make an attempt to leverage that into a far more confining separation agreement that would remove my right to work on RPGs, and my silence on all issues that could pertain to Obsidian or any other company they were involved with or the CEO had a % in (Fig, Zero Radius, Dark Rock Industries, etc.). This included an inability to critique games I’d worked on – much of my critiques on my own games tend to be blunt, and not being able to speak to them felt unnatural to me.

The company involvement silence worried me more, however, as it meant that if anything illegal happened with any of those companies (these could include serious charges like accounting issues, silence on harassment issues with regards to employees, perjury related to company documents and payments), I couldn’t speak about the issue, even if I felt strongly against what was being revealed.

While all this is good for Obsidian's upper management and is what is sometimes considered "good business," I did feel it showed a lack of ethics.

Still, that attempt at leverage did cause me to re-evaluate aspects of my life. Realizing debt was affecting my decision, I instead focused on working as hard as possible to make up for the amount Obsidian tried to use as leverage to force a signature – and succeeded.

When that happened, I realized I was free of the situation – completely free, for the first time. Feargus and the owners had no hold on my voice, my time, and my creativity any longer. And it was great.

When they made me an offer to contract me to write for Tyranny (which might seem to be an olive branch, but it turned out to be something they needed for contractual reasons with Paradox, but no one had ever communicated it to me), these were the reasons I refused – I didn’t wish to be part of Obsidian’s upper level development process and their pipelines any longer, as these processes were coming from a bad place, and it showed.

Also, realizing there was no restitution for the issues mentioned, I made a promise to myself that nothing I would do would ever cause Feargus and the owners any further financial gain. If my silence was that important to them, then there's no need to be silent because that right hadn't been signed away. Simply put, I like the developers at Obsidian very much, I work and correspond with many of those who are there or have left, and I would work with the developers again. I do feel upper management at Obsidian has serious flaws that need to be addressed, and I stand by that statement.
Just remember guys. Obsidian wanted Avellone to be banned from cRPGs for life and used the cancer of his mother as a leverage to silence him. That's the type of studio you are supporting with your money.
Not for life nice try though. P.S. Get a life...
 

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I just like to keep my eye on multiple goings-on ;)

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I wasn't born in Greece, and my Greek is basic, compared to what it was 9-10 years ago. I don't really believe in nations, I think they are too 19th century identifiers to survive the near future. The instinct to segregate into tribes, and the inclination to group together with those who are like-minded and like-looking will inevitably give birth to new identifiers, which will also be largely irrelevant, but large masses will continue to believe in them. :(

Anyway, from being on the Codex, and English-literate, I assume that beyond the irony you are really from the beyaz türkler, and I hope the pendulum there comes back a little towards the balance, though not too much in the other direction either. I used to have some good contacts in the Ak Parti some years ago, and we could foresee some of what later happened, though it went more extreme than we had speculated back in 2011.
 

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I just like to keep my eye on multiple goings-on ;)

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I wasn't born in Greece, and my Greek is basic, compared to what it was 9-10 years ago. I don't really believe in nations, I think they are too 19th century identifiers to survive the near future. The instinct to segregate into tribes, and the inclination to group together with those who are like-minded and like-looking will inevitably give birth to new identifiers, which will also be largely irrelevant, but large masses will continue to believe in them. :(

The future is in Shadowrun-like Megacorps. All hail Saeder-Krupp!
 

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I play now in second time Eternity. First time I played in 2015, but I threw out this shit because of Witcher The Great. I play again and I have stayed in Defiance Bay from a week. Its like BG, but without all colours, siliy things and romances for fourteen-years-old. I don't know why I shoud care about PEII.
Supposedly, because it's in the jungles, has ships, pirates, and maybe romances for fourteen-year-olds. :)
 

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It was truly regretful, in my opinion, that we had to see the airing of dirty laundry, don't you agree, and especially by someone we all respect greatly?

I disagree. This has been festering ever since the split and Chris in particular has been noticeably unhappy about it. It's much better to have it in the open. He should have done this years ago; everybody would have moved on by now.
 

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Well, by extension of the "it would have, it should have...", it would have been best if his departure hadn't happened in the first place, but it doesn't matter any more.
 

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Meh. Voice acting is dumb for one specific reason : It's disturbing to read in an another langage when you heard english.

Movie subtitles are dumb too then?
Not exactly the same. You're more passive in theater and, you are less tempted to read subtitles if you speak little bit english. And if you miss one word, you don't care, you have the picture to tell you the story. In game, you should be aware to give the best response as possible, and you have nothing but the text to follow the story. And reading on computer is more tiring.
 

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I play now in second time Eternity. First time I played in 2015, but I threw out this shit because of Witcher The Great. I play again and I have stayed in Defiance Bay from a week. Its like BG, but without all colours, siliy things and romances for fourteen-years-old. I don't know why I shoud care about PEII.
Supposedly, because it's in the jungles, has ships, pirates, and maybe romances for fourteen-year-olds. :)

With lesbo pirates I could like PE. A little.
 

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I play now in second time Eternity. First time I played in 2015, but I threw out this shit because of Witcher The Great. I play again and I have stayed in Defiance Bay from a week. Its like BG, but without all colours, siliy things and romances for fourteen-years-old. I don't know why I shoud care about PEII.
Supposedly, because it's in the jungles, has ships, pirates, and maybe romances for fourteen-year-olds. :)

With lesbo pirates I could like PE. A little.
And dildo swords, with phone sex line VO. I watched that developer update again, and got angry. We are all being played by Feargus.

Edit: I wonder if the VO can be selectively modded out.
 

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I play now in second time Eternity. First time I played in 2015, but I threw out this shit because of Witcher The Great. I play again and I have stayed in Defiance Bay from a week. Its like BG, but without all colours, siliy things and romances for fourteen-years-old. I don't know why I shoud care about PEII.
Supposedly, because it's in the jungles, has ships, pirates, and maybe romances for fourteen-year-olds. :)

With lesbo pirates I could like PE. A little.

Edit: I wonder if the VO can be selectively modded out.

That's not Vampire:Bloodlines. People remember about first game only because DLC and upcoming continuation. And marketing. Just like Tyranny.

Obsidan made brand from this game but it's too litte for long living. Pillars, Pillars II just will die after release.It's question of time.
 

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No, I meant modding it out myself. I believe modding will be a thing for Deadfire, maybe I'm overestimating it, we'll see.
 

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Oh the usual "I want to use my imagination and make up the emotions" bullshit. Are you people mental? Are you LARPing out those scenes in your head?

The silent protagonist is much more important to have, because that is actually your unique character, so it is logical for that to be silent and imagine his/her voice. And that is untouched AFAIK. But other NPCs in the world are established characters, who actually shouldn't be silent. The creator of those characters know what they should sound like, so actually it makes sense to have them voiced.

Now that being said, I also don't support full VO in a text heavy game like this, but for other reasons. I don't like it because I have to read a lot in the game, and it is much faster to read than to listen the VO of every character. Of course I can skip the VO, but in that case what is the point of having it.

This.

I support VO where it fits and where its totally needed to emphasize the situation or the character itself. It worked wonders in stuff like Fallout, and I wouldn't mind a bit more important NPC's having voiced lines. I love good voice acting, and it only adds to my experience and immerrrshun. Full VO is very risky though, and seldomly works out in the end, so it's quite a risky move by Obsidian in the eyes of us, but in the eyes of everybody else, it's become the norm. Everything has to be voiced nowadays, regardless if its a good decision or not. Even cRPGs it seems.

The narrator from D:OS 2 was incredible retarded, though. As was most of the VO.
 

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I just like to keep my eye on multiple goings-on ;)

jJ8YEHz.gif

I wasn't born in Greece, and my Greek is basic, compared to what it was 9-10 years ago. I don't really believe in nations, I think they are too 19th century identifiers to survive the near future. The instinct to segregate into tribes, and the inclination to group together with those who are like-minded and like-looking will inevitably give birth to new identifiers, which will also be largely irrelevant, but large masses will continue to believe in them. :(

Anyway, from being on the Codex, and English-literate, I assume that beyond the irony you are really from the beyaz türkler, and I hope the pendulum there comes back a little towards the balance, though not too much in the other direction either. I used to have some good contacts in the Ak Parti some years ago, and we could foresee some of what later happened, though it went more extreme than we had speculated back in 2011.

So Greek parents? I assumed due your interest in politics in area, especially Greek ones.

I don't know if I would qualify as a beyaz türk. I am not a Kemalist and I do not believe in westernisation for sake of it. It may have had a brief purpose in 19th century to play catch up, it no longer does. Besides, the same effort brought concept of nation-state and nationalism here as well where it didn't need to be.

AKP did indeed derail greatly, unfortunately not before garnering a legacy enough to upkeep image despite constant failure. Such is life in the extremely partisan and zealous political landscape of this place. It seems all they needed was a single one-term success to ride it into eternity, after the turmoil since 60s and really all the way back to 1908.
 
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