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Yeah they don't but the dude who left the team came up with the idea and it got approved initially so he must have had good ideas for trinkets for all classes on top of everything else, could have been an interesting add on to current equipment selection.
Person whose job it is to tell Josh Sawyer no this random hippie on drugs multiclassing idea doesn't work and isn't fun has moved to Obsidian's other RPG
Prepatch (Build 4) saves are not compatible and will not be available in the Save/Load Menu with this patch (Build 21). We are still ironing out some save/load issues on our end and don't want you all to run into unnecessary issues.
A new uncharted Island - A new island has been added to the world map.
Custom Party AI - Our complete AI system will be available. This system still has some rough edges but should be functional. Hit it and tell us what you think.
Mac/Linux versions both on GoG and Steam - These builds are very 'fresh' with many unexplored pieces. We would love some feedback/bugs on these.
Walk Toggle - The long awaited walk toggle has been added. RP your hearts out J
SYSTEM CHANGES
We listened closely to all of your feedback over the past month, and are rolling out some changes to improve gameplay.
Injuries:
Updated Injuries so that only some Injury types will reduce Max Health. When they do, they'll reduce it by 15%, rather than 25%. Players will still die when gaining their 4th Injury, even if none of the Injuries they have reduce MaxHealth.
Here are the Injuries that affect MaxHealth:
Fatigued
Frail
Major Injury
Critical Injury
Maimed
Severe Wound
Here are the Injuries that don't:
Acute Rash
Bruised Ribs
Concussion
Frostbite
Burned
Smashed Hands
Sprained Wrist
Swollen Eye
System Shock
Twisted Ankle
Wrenched Knee
Wrenched Shoulder
Interrupt:
Modified a couple of abilities whose primary purpose is to interrupt targets, so that they will Interrupt on Graze or better, rather than Hit or better. This affects the following abilities:
Fighter: Knockdown and Mule Kick
Monk: Force of Anguish, Wave of Force, and Skyward Kick
Ranger: Concussive Shot and Concussive Tranquilizer
Rogue: Sap and Perplexing Sap
Other interrupt abilities `either always hit, or applied an Affliction and so already got a benefit for a Graze. They still require the character to have Grazes from another source (Fighter Confident Aim, Aware Inspiration, etc.)
Movement:
Reducing movement speeds to 85% of their previous amount.
Attributes:
In Pillars 1 and Deadfire (now), the Might and Resolve attributes affect the following:
Might - All Damage, All Healing, Fortitude Defense
Resolve - Concentration (Pillars 1 only), Deflection Defense, Will Defense
Players have noted the following over the past few years:
If you're a caster, there's often not much reason to invest in Resolve (especially in Deadfire).
From a *~ roleplaying ~* perspective, it feels weird to have muscley wizards casting high damage fireballs because they can bench 350 lbs.
So we are making these changes for the next Backer Beta build:
Strength - All Weapon Damage, Fortitude Defense
Resolve - All Healing, All Spell Damage, Deflection Defense, Will Defense
For ease of use, "Weapon Damage" means anything that's an equipped weapon, from a sword to a bow to a gun to Kalakoth's Minor Blights. This also means there's a benefit to making a high-Strength wizard (i.e., being a psycho melee "gish" wizard).
Spells:
Slow cast spells will use the Fast (2s base) recovery time instead of Average (3s base). The Very Slow cast spells (typically summons) will now use the Very Fast (1s base) recovery time.
Penetration:
Modified the Penetration system slightly, along with how Penetration displays in the mouse-over tooltip in combat.
When your Penetration is below the target's Armor, there is now a gradual reduction in damage. The current values are (and may be tweaked as we play with them a bit):
-1 Pen = 75% Damage
-2 Pen = 50% Damage
-3 or more Pen = 25% Damage
It's still 100% damage up until you are at double Pen, and then 130% damage from there.
Along with this change, Penetration will now ONLY display on the combat tooltip when you are either BELOW Pen, or you don't yet know the target's Armor value for the damage type you'll deal.
Attack Speed:
Updated the attack speed of most 1H weapons to use an Average (3s) recovery time, instead of Fast (previously 1s). Fast recovery times are now 2s, rather than 1s. The overall result of these changes is that combat will have a slower pace as recovery times for 1H weapons is increased.
Here are the 1H weapons that will have a Fast (2s) recovery time. All other 1H weapons are Average recovery:
Stiletto
Hatchet
Dagger
Rapier
Club
Flail
Monk Fists
As part of this change, we also looked at the overall damage ranges of weapons, with the goal of making 2H weapons a viable choice compared to 1H weapons.
Recovery:
Base recovery time for a Slow recovery attack is now 4s, instead of 5s. Very slow is now 7s instead of 8s.
More importantly, we updated the recovery penalty from armor, as follows:
20%: Light Armor (Leather, Hide, Padded)
35%: Medium Armor (Scale, Breastplate, Mail)
55%: Heavy Armor (Brigandine, Plate)
Graze:
All attacks can inherently Graze. We updated the Aware Inspiration to grant 50% Graze to Hit conversion, and fighter Confident Aim also grants 50% Graze to Hit (meaning Fighters who have both will hit a lot more). Grazing will reduce damage and status effect / affliction duration by 50%. We might consider having graze downgrade Tier 3 & Tier 2 afflictions, like an inherent Resistance.
Rogue:
Rogue Escape ability. It now costs 1 Guile to use (previously it was 2). It is no longer removed when you choose Shadow Step/Shadowing Beyond, but it is a requirement in order to gain either of those abilities.
Ranger:
Ranger abilities Wounding Shot, Accurate Wounding Shot, Hobbling Shot, Concussive Shot, Concussive Tranquilizer, and Stunning Shots will now work with melee weapon attacks.
Priest:
Priests will now receive an automatic spell when they reach every new Power Level. For a single-class Priest, that's at levels 1, 3, 5, 7, 9, 11, 13, 16, and 19.
Updated Priests so that they no longer lose access to spells based on type. IE: Eothas Priests no longer lose access to Protection spells.
Fighter:
Mule Kick is now a standalone ability, not a Knock Down upgrade. It requires Knock Down to learn, but doesn't replace it. It now does bonus damage and will Disorient the target, and will cost 3 points to use.
Ranger:
Wounding Shot - Since Wounding Shot and its upgrades were reduced to 1 point, tuned down the bonus Raw damage a bit.
Marked Prey - As with Sworn Enemy, Marked Prey will now work correctly w/ ranged & AoE attacks.
Paladin:
Paladin Orders like Priests, players were required to pick a Paladin Order during character creation. We've removed the drawbacks from picking the various Orders.
Lay on Hands -Greater Lay on Hands and Hands of Light are no longer upgrades to Lay on Hands. They require Lay on Hands, but do not replace it. Their effects remain the same.
Sworn Enemy - has been updated to work correctly with ranged & AoE attacks
BUG FIXES
Thanks to all you wonderful gamers providing tons of feedback/bugs. We spent this past month addressing as many of it as we could; here are some of the highlights.
General Issues:
(FIXED) Mild to severe drop in frame rate on first load. We are still in the process of optimizing our game.
(FIXED) Some machines may crash on a black screen on first 'New Game'
(FIXED) A few different creatures (Imp, Beetle, etc..) are missing audio
(FIXED) Some NPCs will have abilities that activate after each transition
(FIXED) Party will spawn halfway below the ground after destroying the Adra Pillar in Poko Kohara
Class Specific:
(FIXED) Chanter phrase count is not updating after Save/Load
(FIXED) Wizard/Druid/Priest 'aggressive' AI preset will mainly auto attack
(FIXED) Mercenary Wizard is currently listed as a dwarf and gains 'Hale and Hardy' but visually is a Human
UI:
(FIXED) Some menus are cut off in certain resolutions
(FIXED) All tooltips regarding Action Speed, Recovery Time, and Reload Time are incorrect (Don't trust them)
(FIXED) HUD elements may flicker/phase out of existence after a save/load cycle
(FIXED) Adra Pillar in Poko Kohara disappears after Save/Load
(FIXED) Player character portrait doesn't fill red to show damage after Save/Load
(FIXED) Loading Error that kicks to the Main Menu transitioning after Save/Load
Spells and Abilities:
(FIXED) Spell Levels in Ability Trees and Grimoires do not match
(FIXED) Bull's Will Passive can be obtained twice for Multiclass Players
Miscellaneous:
(FIXED) Off screen Character Position Portraits all display the 5th slot party member
(FIXED) Animation controller issue with Blights and Spores. If you Knock Down/Up either of these enemies they will be put into a bad state and combat will not end.
(FIXED) Players can obtain infinite money or debt by buying hammer and chisels from Vektor
Combat:
(FIXED) Mule Kick makes enemies untargettable and stuck in combat
(FIXED) Enemies sometimes duplicate on save/load
(FIXED) Weapon Recovery speeds are inconsistent
(FIXED) Skeleton Sorcerers attack themselves in Poko Kohara
(FIXED) Weapon Focus Barbarian ability is combat only (Currently being worked on)
(FIXED) Kith (humanoid) enemies will sometimes attack themselves
KNOWN ISSUES IN THE CURRENT BACKER BETA
These issues are still a priority for us, but there is only so much time in a day and we didn't want to keep you all waiting any longer.
All Platforms:
Mercenary Priest level up summary has much larger text than other characters
Items can be duplicated in rest menu
'Broodmother's Fury' Loading an autosave before starting the quest will block the quest from turn in at end
Some machines may crash when quitting to the Main Menu from within the game
The Game doesn't boot in native resolution after installation
Ranger 'Ghostheart' summoned spirit companions will sometimes blend into the background
Chanter will not have audio for their abilities (Chants or invocations)
Linux:
Loading a save outside of Tikawara and returning to Tikawara will open Character Creation
Encounter between Ravine and Tikawara reappears
New Game takes forever to launch character creation
Mac:
Crash when loading an encounter autosave from a different scene
New Game takes forever to launch character creation
Updated Injuries so that only some Injury types will reduce Max Health. When they do, they'll reduce it by 15%, rather than 25%. Players will still die when gaining their 4th Injury, even if none of the Injuries they have reduce MaxHealth.
Was it really necessary to make the injury system so complicated/unintuitive? How do they expect to communicate efficiently all this information to the player in-game? Sounds like a recipe for disaster to me.
By mousing over the injury icon. What's so complicated here? You get knocked out in an fight, you get an injury. It's not like you have to choose which one to take.
If the UI for debuffs was clearer, then maybe it can work, but it was a disaster of a clusterfuck in P1, sooo. Unless they fix that it's just going to be shitty again, having to constantly mouse-over the portraits to see what debuffs the party has, then probably have to mouse-over the debuffs to see what they actually debuff etc.
By mousing over the injury icon. What's so complicated here? You get knocked out in an fight, you get an injury. It's not like you have a choice of which one to take.
Updated Injuries so that only some Injury types will reduce Max Health. When they do, they'll reduce it by 15%, rather than 25%. Players will still die when gaining their 4th Injury, even if none of the Injuries they have reduce MaxHealth.
In this quote, information does not flow logically from one sentence to the next. It is like a legal document with exceptions etc. You either KNOW these pieces of information or you don't. Eg, there is no way people can figure out that the 4rth injury will kill them if they see 15% damage/injury, unless they know. It is not something they can logically deduce.
You know I like complex systems, and I am not worried about my own gameplay experience. I am worried about the casuals complaining for unintuitive complications. I want to see unneeded complications gone, so that the needed ones can stay. In other words, if all those unintuive injury rules bring something important to the table, OK. If not, they should be axed and the new rules should be as intuitive as possible.
"Four injuries and you die" isn't rocket science or complex.
What you're saying is the same as saying "This game has so many different types of monsters, it's too complex and unintuitive". There's no "system" here, the injuries are just something that happens to you. The only rule is don't get four of them.
The 4 injuries rule is just the example I used. No information in the injury rules flows logically from other information. They all have to be read from the tooltips. But if someone's brain is already close to exploding, such information won't register, no matter if it is easily available.
Nevertheless, I hope that you are right and that I am overreacting.
What you're saying is the same as saying "This game has so many different types of monsters, it's too complex and unintuitive".
Exactly! Different types of monsters is a complicated thing, but it is absolutely necessary for a quality experience. Are those injury rules similarly necessary? That's the question.
If the UI for debuffs was clearer, then maybe it can work, but it was a disaster of a clusterfuck in P1, sooo. Unless they fix that it's just going to be shitty again, having to constantly mouse-over the portraits to see what debuffs the party has, then probably have to mouse-over the debuffs to see what they actually debuff etc.
A regular occurrence during PoE was that your char had so many buffs/debuffs that the tooltip would leave the screen, leaving you clueless as to with what exactly your char has been hit .
The problem now is that dying from 4 injuries doesn't make sense. You won't die irl from a swollen eye, sprained wrist, broken leg and a frostbite. It's really gamey and arbitrary, 25% health reduction for each injury and dying from the fourth was obvious. This is a reaction to the moaning on the Obs forum, even though it was proven to work well with video footage.
I don't think endurance/health was any less gamey, even though I liked it more.
The new injury system is more egalitarian, in the sense that H/E sucked if you wanted to melee with a class with a low multiplier since he'd deplete his pool much faster than the rest of the party. This iteration dangerously close to Tyranny/DA:O which were mostly tiresome tho.
Why red dots tho? Do they give any tooltips when moused over? Why not just use injury debuff icons so right side of the portraits should be bit more cleaner? They were also red iirc.
I think they also know hp/endu is better and they lied about it could come back after beta feedback, its set in stone as much as the new party limit.
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