I thought we were only talking about faults and responsibilities. I was just saying that, due to the ascensions, the souls that became gods are responsible for the "breaking" of the natural wheel.
Working?
How do you "act" as a god? There are many civilizations in history that regarded their leaders as actual gods, so being thought of as a god doesn't mean you are one. RE: Forgotten Realms - we know at least some things depend on the gods, the most famous example is Mystra's death causing the Weave to fail. However, there have been debates about whether the gods in FR are actual gods too. I'm fulfilling my wageslave duties atm and will get back to you about your other concerns a bit later.
I can't say for sure, but having 70% of the world worshipping you in one form or another AND sending thematic calamities when a mortal angers you sounds pretty god-ish to me. If you break your word, Galawain sends packs of beasts to destroy villages, Magran burns everything to the ground, Abydon commands constructs and vessels to attack their masters, Hylea covers the skies with killer birds that decimate the population, Berath causes COVID, Rymrgand destroys crops and causes a famine, and Ondra submerges coastal cities. IMHO it doesn't get godlier than that.
There are gozillions of gods in the Forgotten Realms, picking one of the few examples where that is true doesn't mean much. You somehow decided that being intrinsically linked to a natural phenomenon is a requirement to be considered a god, but that's completely arbitrary. And the Weave failing doesn't really proves your point, because magic existed before the Weave and kept existing after it collapsed.
Sorry to hear that. Stay strong.
Is this the White March thing? Because that's clearly about the Engwithan ruins that are easily accessed by people. Not Engwith as a nation or anything.
Forge deity is a bro.
Yes, and she says they didn't get immediately rid of those because of their sympathies. I can't explain that in any other way than their souls still being Engwithan enough to care about the ruins of their civilization.
Sure, but my only point was that the gods ARE Engwithans and not simply entities that spawned t-posing when they turned on the machines.
So, the potential for destruction is what makes you a god? Seems silly to me and it's a dick measuring contest in the vein of "let's compare power levels".
It's not arbitrary at all, it's a feature of all old pantheistic religions that gods either govern over the creation of the world or elements within it. The world and things within it won't exist if a god isn't a direct cause or actively involved in their constant creation (like Zeus with lightning and Geb with earthquakes). I have a hard time understanding the divinity of Eora's gods tbh, I can't place them in a coherent mythological matrix.
To paraphrase a famous saying by Arthur C. Clarke, any sufficiently advanced being is indistinguishable from a god.
It's not the potential for destruction, it's that each one of them clearly is:
"It" is probably playing a better game.
The problem with that definition is that wizards and other spellcasters also have power over nature in fantasy settings. Hell, even machines have power over nature. That's what I mean by a dick measuring contest. How do you meaningfully differentiate between spellcasters and gods? It's always going to be arbitrary and unsatisfying. Irl, the moment someone casts a spell they are going to be considered a god, but it's not so easy in fantasy settings.It's not the potential for destruction, it's that each one of them clearly is:
And it's undeniable that they DO have power over nature and human fortunes. You claiming that in order to be a God an entity has to abide by the "features of all old pantheistic religions" isn't that far from LS deciding that fantasy divine powers have to follow the Christian doctrine.
But this discussion is going nowhere, there's only one way to reach a conclusion: I challenge you to an Ontopoly's Duel. Let's exchange asshole pictures to see which one is whiter and therefore right. You start.
This video btw demonstrates what I said about the combat system - that a combat's outcome is evident from the start, or if not from the start, is evident long before it's over. Notice how the player here spends half a minute exchanging blows that hit with a xaurip that can't do anything better than graze.In the more RNG IE games, this combat would have been over sooner and there would have been higher stakes and a chance of someone in the party getting hit seriously. In PoE you just go through the motions in 90% of the combats.
You can see how enjoyable it is right there.
I say if a being can affect whole planet with its "spells" or influence it can be considered god-like. Even if it isn't truly a god it doesn't matter as much for mortals at this power level, they will worship. By choice or not.
