Eternity PoE II: Deadfire Sales Analysis Thread

[Lacrymas]

I don't think I've seen a copy of the BGs in any retailers here. I saw IWD:EE half a year ago, but that's it. Not that I go to retailers anymore. And yeah, the pirate market at Slaveikov Square is where it was at when we were children, especially when we only had dial-up, and I distinctly remember some years when I didn't have internet at all.

 

[fantadomat]

I don't think I've seen a copy of the BGs in any retailers here. I saw IWD:EE a few months ago, but that's it. Not that I go to retailers anymore. And yeah, the pirate market at Slaveikov Square is where it was at when we were children, especially when we only had dial-up, and I distinctly remember some years when I didn't have internet at all.

I bought it while visiting family,we in country had better internet back then,i even got cable with up to glorious 15kb/s download speed. It was taking me a day to download a movie . Good thing that we had a PTP servers to shear in secret,a lot of strange porn back then. Oh and MIRC.

 

[Parabalus]

What does completion rate for any game prove anyways? That casuals who bought the game on a sale can successfully play an rpg?

It's not completion rates for the entire game, it's completion rates for the first few hours. Meaning the game can't hold the attention of the majority of people who play it for a few hours. This isn't really disputable, we are trying to understand why that is.

PoE has similar first few hours completion rates as D:OS (finding Evelyn), 43% compared to 45.6%, yet the sequel sales were wildly different.

You claimed that:

• PoE combat is clunky, incomprehensible garbage and people dropped it out of disinterest because of that in the first few hours, unlike the IE games (original Bg1)

Those are extremely strong claims you give without any proof other than your gut.

1. Is PoE dropped faster than similar games?
2. Did the IE games fare better in this regard?
3. If 1. and 2. are true, did it happen because IE games combat was more readable than PoE's, or for other reasons?

This is even without considering how any of this relates to sales for the games and their sequels.

I'd like to believe you, because if what you're saying is true, you can give Feargus a call and turn PoE3 into a hit .

Using the EEs to prove anything wrt sales and completion rates of the Baldurs Gates is dumb.

If you have the data do post it .

 

[AwesomeButton]

AwesomeButton please don't pretend that you bought the original game ,as if there was an option to do it back in the day in Easter Europa. Fuck now that i think about it,i did buy the fucking game. It was a four disk copies written with marker "Baldur's gate 2" on them,found it while browsing the pirate market on Slaveikov,it costed the equivalent of 1 euro per disk back them whole two bottles of good vodka. Ah the good old times.

It wasn't me who used the word "bought", it was you

 

[fantadomat]

AwesomeButton please don't pretend that you bought the original game ,as if there was an option to do it back in the day in Easter Europa. Fuck now that i think about it,i did buy the fucking game. It was a four disk copies written with marker "Baldur's gate 2" on them,found it while browsing the pirate market on Slaveikov,it costed the equivalent of 1 euro per disk back them whole two bottles of good vodka. Ah the good old times.

It wasn't me who used the word "bought", it was you

I also used people before the word,clearly i am superior to "people"! I come from a noble Slav tribe of horse thieves.


Here is something to make this thread more.....entertaining.

 

[Lacrymas]

You claimed that:

• PoE combat is clunky, incomprehensible garbage and people dropped it out of disinterest because of that in the first few hours, unlike the IE games (original Bg1)

Except I claimed the exact opposite. I said the combat is incomprehensible and chaotic, but I also said people played it for too little time to be able to form any kind of concrete opinion about the mechanics, so that can't be the only, or even a, reason. Then I listed some other reasons why they might drop it before killing Mearwald. We can't know for sure how many players played to what point in the original IE games because there are no statistics, BG:EE is a completely different beast and can't be used for this comparison. BG2 and even D:OS2 sold better than their prequels, so there's definitely something up with that. I have no idea why D:OS2 is popular, though.

 

[frajaq]

I have no idea why D:OS2 is popular, though.

Really? You cant think of anything?

 

[fantadomat]

I have no idea why D:OS2 is popular, though.

Really? You cant think of anything?

Obviously because of all the gay couples that you can nuke with a fireball!

 

[Strange Fellow]

I have no idea why D:OS2 is popular, though.

Really? You cant think of anything?

Because the first game was great, and journos told everyone that the second was even better.

 

[Lacrymas]

Journos said DF is better than PoE1 too.

 

[Nano]

Deadfire has a lower Metacritic score, though.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Journos said DF is better than PoE1 too.

They did? Not with as much conviction as they conjured up for D:OS 2, I don't think.
Anyway, there's a reason I own D:OS 2 and not Deadfire and that reason is their predecessors.

 

[Lacrymas]

Yes, mostly everyone says DF is better in general, not only journos. I don't think even 1 reviewer said PoE1 is better. Otherwise, yeah, the enthusiasm for D:OS2 is unprecedented.

 

[Strange Fellow]

Regardless, an improvement on great > an improvement on mediocre. I think the sales figures of the sequels reflect the enthusiasm for the originals.

 

[Lacrymas]

Except D:OS1 wasn't great. You might say it appealed more to the general public, but PoE1 after all the patches and expansions is the better game. A very tiny fraction of the players actually played WM and 3.0, though, soooo.

 

[Strange Fellow]

That's where we disagree.

 

[Nano]

Except D:OS1 wasn't great.

C'mon now. The combat went down the shitter in D:OS2, but D:OS1 has one of the best CRPG turn-based systems of all time.

 

[fantadomat]

Except D:OS1 wasn't great. You might say it appealed more to the general public, but PoE1 after all the patches and expansions is the better game. A very tiny fraction of the players actually played WM and 3.0, though, soooo.

Sure,but DOS delivered what they promised,while PoE didn't. Nobody expected good writing and interesting story from DOS,they promised exploration,interactivity and tactical TB combat system with elemental effects.

 

[Roguey]

Who here doesn't own a digital copy of BG ? Most people that bought the originals also bought the digital.

I don't.

 

[aweigh]

I saw a journo the other day, meme creatures I meme whenever terrible can.

 

[IHaveHugeNick]

Yes, mostly everyone says DF is better in general, not only journos.

Deadfire has lower Metacritic score and lower Steam review score.

 

[Mexi]

Yes, mostly everyone says DF is better in general, not only journos.

Deadfire has lower Metacritic score and lower Steam review score.

Has less ratings.

 

[Safav Hamon]

Yes, mostly everyone says DF is better in general, not only journos.

Deadfire has lower Metacritic score and lower Steam review score.

Same with White March, which had the best content in POE1. I don't understand it.

 

[Trashos]

It isn't "pretty good" when everything is happening in microsecond intervals and there isn't even a filter. Even then, you aren't looking at the combat log the entire combat to know what is going on and you really can't, you have to pause constantly, read the combat log, unpause, pause, read the combat log etc. How is this a clear and intuitive system? The UI in general being terrible at conveying any kind of useful information doesn't help.

this isnt exclusive to poe. This is all retatardation suffered by most if not all rtwp

The BGs had "Rounds", ie 6-sec turns. Which made them much clearer to read through. I am not blaming Josh for deciding to get rid of them, it looked like the obvious thing to try. But the roundless system doesn't work out quite so well.

 

[Lacrymas]

PoE also has rounds, i.e. the recovery times. The problem in PoE1 was they were too short, microsecond intervals even, and you can influence them with % action speed. I think PoE2 is fine in this regard and I haven't felt the need to slow down the combat more than the normal speed. It has another glaring problem, though - the UI is terrible and fails at presenting important information in easy to see places. You have to hover over the mobs (who are always in a blob and it's fidgety) or your portraits to see your debuffs or buffs, I think that's awful and takes longer than it should, the short duration of them doesn't help.