Popular weapons *PWN* better ones in RPGs

[Darth Roxor]

I just tried cutting someone with a hammer and that didn't work either. What a cruel world.

b-but meticulous forging process

 

[odrzut]

One could say that the habit of not parrying with katanas is what actually forced better martial technique to be developed around them. You never want to come to full stop in a swordfight. You never want to stop your energy, or even your opponent's energy. The blade is an extension of you, and like you, it must be alive.

That's just a touchy-feely justification for why katana wasn't as bad as it looks like. I too could write peans about Polish cross-cutting art (which is mostly forgotten and was probably overhyped as well otherways it wouldn't be forgotten ). It said similar things - to always move the point in circles, each one perpendicular the the previous one, to never stop the blade.

In the end the more options you have the harder the opponent must work to anticipate and defend. If he can parry and attack, and you can only attack it's not good for you. Retaining the energy is more important with heavier weapon, and it means you have less options again - you don't want to change the velocity too quickly, so you are slower to react.

BTW a nice video of original sabre from XVIIIth century, weights 0.580 kg

compare the blade thickness and complex crossection to katanas. Notice the different crossection for the top 1/3rd of the blade.

 

[Immortal]

The minute anyone mentions the word Katana..

I cringe at the pack of weebo's that will always inevitably descend on the thread or topic. They always do the same things.. acting like apologists for the design of the sword and why it was superior to everything else, correct your terminology on every part of the sword that they have memorized from countless youtube videos and just generally gay up the thread..

it's only a matter of time before this thread derails into discussion of Anime and prominent episodes that display the POWER OF THE シャドウカタナ !!!!

Meanwhile I can picture these weebo's walking around their house with a replica sword they bought off the shopping channel wearing their mothers bath robe as a substitute for a toga.

 

[Johannes]

Also

I just tried cutting someone with a hammer and that didn't work either. What a cruel world.

In addition to lightness, reach and strength the eurosword could also sport more than one edge for cutting and, crucially, a swordhilt. I'd very much like a swordhilt. Wouldn't want to be called "Stumpy" the rest of my life, but maybe that's just me.

Katanas have tsuba. It is a hand guard.

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One could say that the habit of not parrying with katanas is what actually forced better martial technique to be developed around them. You never want to come to full stop in a swordfight. You never want to stop your energy, or even your opponent's energy. The blade is an extension of you, and like you, it must be alive.

Lightness tied to improved usability is another questionable assertion. Less mass is not good for cutting through resistant human body. Another questionable assumption is that improved reach with one-handed swords has no negative tradeoffs, such as loss of balance and power. Finally, katanas are quite usable with one hand. There are techniques where you pull out the katana and immediately cut your opponent in the same movement.

In short, your post is a mix of factual information on sword manufacturing, mixed with subjective opinion on their comparative usability.

How do you come up with shit as gay as this



Do you even fence?

 

[Bibbimbop]

Before firearms and often afterward still, any notable battle worth studying in history was decided either by yari or by pikes. Swords are but a gentleman's showpiece. The real argument here is not who had the better swords, but who had the better polearms.

 

[Johannes]

Before firearms and often afterward still, any notable battle worth studying in history was decided either by yari or by pikes. Swords are but a gentleman's showpiece. The real argument here is not who had the better swords, but who had the better polearms.

Swords are a secondary weapon when going to war. You draw it when your primary weapon (polearm, bow, whatever) is not applicable to the situation.

And also, it's a weapon you can carry around wherever you go (law allowing). Walking around with a spear or poleaxe if you're not a soldier going to war, but a longsword, sword+buckler or rapier at your side is a lot more handy and more socially acceptable.

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

What the fuck is wrong with people shitting on Katana. Yes, only in myths and pop-culture they are perfect blades, able to cut through anything, but high-fantasy are based on pop-culture. You could as well complain abut alchemical mixtures giving you super-powers and not being horse-shit, clerical powers not being clever hoaxes, and magic being used for anything but looking smug. Many people like Katans as folded 1000 times, super-blades of the east, so they were added that way. Next time you'll gonna complain that Dwarves are mini Jew/Vikings while every non-dwarvboo knows that they are just small. Complaining about fantasy weapons being unrealistic in high-fantasy games is like complaining about technology in Star Wars.

 

[Immortal]

What the fuck is wrong with people shitting on Katana.

It begins..

 

[SymbolicFrank]

In addition to lightness, reach and strength the eurosword could also sport more than one edge for cutting and, crucially, a swordhilt. I'd very much like a swordhilt. Wouldn't want to be called "Stumpy" the rest of my life, but maybe that's just me.

Normally you use this with the sword.

It looks awe-inspiring, which is it's main function, because most of them offered far less protection than plate, or even ring mail. Thin steel plates were most likely even more expensive than a katana.

 

[Overboard]

Musashi was a massively overhyped cunt.

I too could write peans about Polish cross-cutting art (which is mostly forgotten and was probably overhyped as well otherways it wouldn't be forgotten ). It said similar things - to always move the point in circles, each one perpendicular the the previous one, to never stop the blade.

I only know of a few schools trying to recreate the historical style of Polish sabre, but they all look great. Unfortunately there's too much reliance on modern interpretations (Starzewski, etc).

 

[laclongquan]

Back to AK versus FNFAL

Can your workshop manufacture a FNFAL from a limited store of parts? AK can be done: any parts can be manufactured onsite. That would be of HUGE advantage in a post-apocalypse where everything you need must be produced onsite or scavenge in a nearby ruin. You dont have roads or ports to trade far and wide.

From that stand point, it's extremely easy to explain why there're so many AK. They are not ancient artifacts, exactly. Morelikely, they are old guns refurbished in your local smith's workshop, according to old blueprints very accessible, by material easily procured. Or completely made anew.

That also explain why AK112 is present in FT's areas of conflicts. They use 5mm ammo, so they are newer models, compared to the old model AK47 use 762mm ammo. Because using newer model, it mean it use newer parts, which can be had at the west coast with its many ports, but impossible for inner regions, cut-off as they are.

 

[odrzut]

What about Sten SMG or some similar design? There were simplified versions of Sten manufactured "in the woods" by guerilla fighters during WW2:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KIS_(weapon)

Or something like that:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Błyskawica_submachine_gun

 

[SymbolicFrank]

I just looked it up:
JA2 FN FAL: Damage 32, Range 42
JA2 C7: Damage 30, Range 40

So, yes, indeed, that 7.62 bullet is very slightly outperforming that 5.56 one.

 

[SymbolicFrank]

Btw, the least realistic weapon damage to me is probably in my favorite game of all time: Deus Ex. The assault rifle, firing 7.62 mm bullets, did 3 damage per bullet...
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Fortunately, everything else is great. And I always play it on Realistic.

 

[Whisky]

I was more worried by the fact that it looked more like a submachine gun and somehow had a huge magazine of 7.62 bullets.

 

[Darth Roxor]

BTW a nice video of original sabre from XVIIIth century, weights 0.580 kg

compare the blade thickness and complex crossection to katanas. Notice the different crossection for the top 1/3rd of the blade.

Well, holy shit. I think I have an exact same looking sabre (half-rusted) somewhere in my basement. I'll need to investigate closer, always thought it was a knock-off of some sort, but I never did check it properly.

 

[Derek Larp]

The katana is the deadliest of all weapons in the hands of a true master.

 

[Derek Larp]

Btw, the least realistic weapon damage to me is probably in my favorite game of all time: Deus Ex. The assault rifle, firing 7.62 mm bullets, did 3 damage per bullet...
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Fortunately, everything else is great. And I always play it on Realistic.

It's been a while so I don't remember, but did they ever explicitly state that it's 7.62x51mm? Maybe it's more of a pistol cartrige like 7.62x25mm?

 

[Severian Silk]

Jagged Alliance 2

Where the C7 is the best weapon?

But good spread of weapon drops and categories is a rarity, really, which always pisses me off. It's especially annoying in fantasy games where you almost always gimp yourself if you don't specialise in swords. Swords swords swords swords everywhere, yeah, okay, how about a fucking warhammer, I haven't seen one for 15 hours already, FFS.

Agree.

Best weapon in JA2 1.13 is the Steyr Aug A3.

 

[Indranys]

Someone weaboo wetdream is being crushed in this thread.
If some jap fags derp about katana, I'll just point them to this HEMA instructor channel, arguing shit with them is just not worth the time.

 

[Whisky]

The katana is the deadliest of all weapons in the hands of a true master.

Fucking...I love how he's like, "If they have a gun, hide." It's almost like his instructional video is a few centuries out of date.

 

[dryan]

I wonder where the heavy sword worship came from anyway. Myths and hero stories have an equal representation of magical swords as they do bows, spears, hammers etc., yet RPG devs mostly lust after swords.

Swords, like obelisks, are strong phallic symbols. In the case of the sword specifically the symbolism is even stronger, considering the vagina - where you thrust your phallus - which is a Latin word meaning "sheath". A sword being the object which enables the hero to conquer his goals represents the assertion of manhood and virility.

In other words: bows are for faggy elves.

 

[DraQ]

I wonder where the heavy sword worship came from anyway. Myths and hero stories have an equal representation of magical swords as they do bows, spears, hammers etc., yet RPG devs mostly lust after swords.

Swords, like obelisks, are strong phallic symbols. In the case of the sword specifically the symbolism is even stronger, considering the vagina - where you thrust your phallus - which is a Latin word meaning "sheath". A sword being the object which enables the hero to conquer his goals represents the assertion of manhood and virility.

In other words: bows are for faggy elves.

Wanna polish my spear?

 

[muds_animal_friend]

This is the most underrated weapon in RPGs:

And I suspect the humble dagger has killed more men than swords. Easy to manufacture, easy to wield, easy to conceal, and easy to slide through chinks in armor. Probably killed more Frenchmen at Agincourt then the arrows ever did.

 

[Immortal]

The katana is the deadliest of all weapons in the hands of a true master.

Is he saying Burgler or Balrog? Also.. how the hell does he plan to hide if the Balrog has a gun...? He's the size of a fucking washing machine.