Official RPG Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Real-Time with Pause is Garbag...eh forgetit.

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by J_C, Feb 25, 2021.

  1. Ontopoly Hater of Larian

    Ontopoly
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2020
    Messages:
    1,775
    Location:
    Arcanum
    This is the same guy who set his kingmaker playthrough to automatic kingdom building and then complained about not being able to manage his kingdom.
     
    • Funny Funny x 11
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • Racist Racist x 1
    ^ Top  
  2. octavius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    octavius
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    15,642
    Location:
    Bjørgvin
    Variety is good.

    RTwP: you play a party, pause the game, execute orders and everyone, including the enemy, move simultaneously and you can react and adjust actions on the fly.
    Good for simulating the chaos of a battle, but on the downside it can also lead to frustrating clusterfuck and it's easy to misclick and can be hard to keep track of things in large battles.

    Phase based (or whatever the correct term is): You issue orders to all your party members and then hit the "start combat round" button, and in a more complex system you and the enemy take turns acording to individual initiative, while in a simpler system each side acts in turn.
    The fun thing about this system is that you have to anticipate what your enemies will do, and try to allocate enough strenght to various threats. Like how many fighter types do you need to kill that lone high level enemy spell caster, and how many Fireballs do you need on that group of low level enemy spell casters?

    Standard turn based: Each character acts in turn, usually based on Initative. So your first fighter didn't kill off that enemy spell caster, so your next one takes a swing too. Not very complex or demanding, and probably easier to design and program.

    All of these systems work for me, but at the end of the day the actual system used does not matter much if the encounter design is boring.

    It's good for those easy trash fights. With AI on they take only a few seconds.
     
    Last edited: Feb 25, 2021
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • Balanced Balanced x 1
    ^ Top  
  3. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

    Major_Blackhart
    Joined:
    Dec 5, 2002
    Messages:
    17,037
    Location:
    Jersey for now
    This guy shit on Underrail?
     
    • Yes Yes x 1
    • No No x 1
    • it is a mystery it is a mystery x 1
    • Disgusting! Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  4. Larianshill Learned

    Larianshill
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2021
    Messages:
    608
    Didn't watch the video, he's entirely correct. Real time with pause is trash, and turn based is the superior way of playing RPGs.
     
    • Participation Award x 4
    • Agree x 3
    • Brofist x 2
    • Acknowledge this user's Agenda x 1
    • How about this as a button x 1
    • Friendly x 1
    • Shit x 1
    ^ Top  
  5. Sweeper Arcane Zionist Agent

    Sweeper
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2018
    Messages:
    2,303
    Eventually you'll all regret not banning Larianfags on sight.
    Mark my words.
     
    • Rage Rage x 1
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  
  6. barghwata Savant

    barghwata
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    I don't see what all the butthurt in this thread is about, the video is mostly good and he makes some good points here and there (except for the part when he bitches about party AI triggering AOOs when he could just deactivate it, that was fucking dumb), and he even says in the end that RTwP has its advantages and can be amazing if done correctly; which is true but for some reason rpg devs are stuck in the past and would much rather just make another shitty iteration of baldur's gate's combat instead of taking the system in a new direction or innovating.

    If you want an example of a RTwP combat system done right in an rpg just play 7.62 High Calibre, in fact i would go as far as to say that people who haven't played it don't even know what good rtwp combat looks like.
     
    • Disagree Disagree x 1
    ^ Top  
  7. Lurker47 Learned

    Lurker47
    Joined:
    Jul 30, 2017
    Messages:
    675
    Location:
    Texas
    Give me more good examples.
     
    • Despair Despair x 1
    ^ Top  
  8. Maggot Arcane Patron

    Maggot
    Joined:
    Mar 31, 2016
    Messages:
    1,081
    Codex 2016 - The Age of Grimoire
    X-COM Apocalypse
     
    ^ Top  
  9. Ontopoly Hater of Larian

    Ontopoly
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2020
    Messages:
    1,775
    Location:
    Arcanum
    Gimmick accounts are pathetic. You are pathetic
     
    • rolleyes rolleyes x 1
    ^ Top  
  10. Larianshill Learned

    Larianshill
    Joined:
    Feb 16, 2021
    Messages:
    608
    I was not being sarcastic or ironic.
     
    ^ Top  
  11. Sweeper Arcane Zionist Agent

    Sweeper
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2018
    Messages:
    2,303
    We know.
    :retarded:
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. Ontopoly Hater of Larian

    Ontopoly
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2020
    Messages:
    1,775
    Location:
    Arcanum
    Nobody thought you were. You're pathetic without having to rely on sarcasm or irony
     
    • /facepalm/ /facepalm/ x 1
    ^ Top  
  13. barghwata Savant

    barghwata
    Joined:
    Sep 13, 2019
    Messages:
    493
    I wish i knew more :negative: there is also Brigade E5 made by the same devs, but it's really just a less polished version of high calibre, if you want good rtwp combat you're better off looking for it in tactical games then in rpgs.
     
    • Despair Despair x 1
    ^ Top  
  14. Shadenuat Arcane

    Shadenuat
    Joined:
    Dec 9, 2011
    Messages:
    10,698
    Location:
    Russia
    i wonder how rtwp with grid would look actually.
     
    ^ Top  
  15. Niggerino Learned

    Niggerino
    Joined:
    Oct 28, 2020
    Messages:
    349
    Am i the only one who sees some tranny in a store in the OP? :lol:
     
    • WTF am I reading WTF am I reading x 2
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • Yes Yes x 1
    • Disgusting! Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  16. Sweeper Arcane Zionist Agent

    Sweeper
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2018
    Messages:
    2,303

    Don't be a faggot OP.
     
    • Cheers!! Cheers!! x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. Jvegi Arcane

    Jvegi
    Joined:
    Nov 16, 2012
    Messages:
    2,915
    In IWD2 on insane, you very often have to pause every 0,5 seconds to not die. I don't see how action ques make sense in this context. Or AI, or anything.
     
    ^ Top  
  18. octavius Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

    octavius
    Joined:
    Aug 4, 2007
    Messages:
    15,642
    Location:
    Bjørgvin
    It's like...you know..insane.
     
    • Funny Funny x 1
    • :M :M x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. Grampy_Bone Arcane

    Grampy_Bone
    Joined:
    Jan 25, 2016
    Messages:
    2,391
    Location:
    Wandering the world randomly in search of maps
    hbomberguy is the classic poncey pole-smoking bong-twit (see also: Jim Stirling, now Jane?). no idea why people listen to him, he's not funny and looks constantly either high or inbetween bouts of anal fisting.

    is strat-edgy the guy who fills his videos with random asides about his poor upbringing and muh capitalism? yeah no thanks.
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 2
    • No No x 1
    ^ Top  
  20. HansDampf Arcane

    HansDampf
    Joined:
    Dec 15, 2015
    Messages:
    1,157
    That's how I remember him.
     
    ^ Top  
  21. Ontopoly Hater of Larian

    Ontopoly
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2020
    Messages:
    1,775
    Location:
    Arcanum
    Op is a little Bitch who should have his thread making privileges taken away. He realised nobody liked the video his idol posted do he's quivering behind some meme video. What a pussy.
     
    • butthurt butthurt x 2
    • STOP! posting STOP! posting x 1
    ^ Top  
  22. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

    J_C
    Joined:
    Dec 28, 2010
    Messages:
    16,594
    Location:
    Pannonia
    Project: Eternity Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong
    I was a little disappointed to see that one of the last bastion of good cRPGs, Codexians can't realise how shitty RTWP can be. It was also surprising, because the video has good points (e.g action queues - just see how great 7.62 is which uses this feature). So yeah, I decided to edit out the video for the lulz.

    You don't know who are you deeling with. I'm one of the pillars of RPG Codex, untouchable! I know this is hard to swallow, but you are just an Ontopoly, not a J_C. Deal with it.
     
    • Brofist x 4
    • Bad Spelling x 2
    • Participation Award x 1
    • Salute x 1
    • When words are not enough x 1
    • Creative x 1
    • cuck x 1
    • Doggy x 1
    ^ Top  
  23. Gnidrologist CONDUCTOR

    Gnidrologist
    Joined:
    Aug 30, 2005
    Messages:
    20,446
    Location:
    is cold
    Yes. It's pretty good representation of rtwp dumbfuckery. Swell analysis.
     
    • Funny Funny x 3
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    ^ Top  
  24. Hóngwèibīng Arcane Vatnik

    Hóngwèibīng
    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2018
    Messages:
    10,434
    Turáni átok strikes again.
     
    • Despair Despair x 1
    • Disgusting! Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  25. Sweeper Arcane Zionist Agent

    Sweeper
    Joined:
    Jul 28, 2018
    Messages:
    2,303
    Show Spoiler
    [​IMG]
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • hopw roewur ne hopw roewur ne x 1
    • Agree Agree x 1
    • Rage Rage x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.