Community RPG Codex GOTY 2023: Results & Cool Graphs

[Serus]

I don't mind JA3 winning, this side was always 50% RPG discussion and 50% shitposting.

That said, I can't wait for the influx of new members for whom BG3 was the foundational RPG experience. Things will get lively

People like that will land on reddit or Resetera, not here. Someone for whom BG3 was "foundational experience", will get filtered from Codex after reading for 2 minutes and already seeing 20 posts about jews, trannies and niggers destroying gaming.

For better (or worse ) you won't see 20 posts about any "jews and trannies and niggers" in gaming parts of forum in 2 minutes - or in 20 for that matter. Let alone serious posts on those subjects - instead of shitposts or troll attempts ones.

 

[Hellraiser]

Great, so the game is still not good even if you were to cut the companions out.

Is that so?
Here are some facts: Games consist of multiple parts. Those parts come together to form a whole.
So let's look at the most important parts and come to a conclusion. Let's additional be as negative as possible while still maintaing a semblance of reality.

Story/writing - damn wokesters yadda yadda trannies argh bla bla end of the west bla bla. Chapter 3 is a complete mess. 1/5
Graphics - Too generic, but competently crafted. 3/5
Audio - Okay, I guess. Voice acting is a mixed bag. 3/5
Combat/Gameplay - Tons of options in combat but DnD5 kinda sucks. Too many non-choices in dialogues. 2.5/5

Clearly one can disregard production qualities like graphics and audio as those are superficial things only plebians care about and focus only on the important aspects of a CRPG like combat/gameplay and story/writing. So we get 1+2.5=3.5, weighted with equal importance we get 1.75 (less if you care more about story/writing, more if you care about combat/gameplay), rounded down as we want to apply the principle of conservatism and thus not overrate the game that's a 1/5.

The numbers don't lie.

 

[AwesomeButton]

In addition, voting on a game you didn't even play should be straight up forbidden, but that is of course nigh impossible to check, so... no real solution here.

On the surface this looks like a legitimate point, but in reality much of the RPG output has always been so derivative and uninspired that you may as well have played it without ever starting the game.

 

[Viata]

Larian is not tweeting about it, second place and silver but still...Why?

Make one more for the third place too, for consistency.

 

[Darth Roxor]

I'll look elsewhere to find out if Jagged Alliance is truly a good game or if we're in for another meme like Elex, as rpgcodex credibility when it comes to rpg is zero. [sauce]

They've always disliked Larian; that's old news. However, the dislike has intensified, especially since the game has become hugely successful. I wouldn't even say it's the best of the last decade; it's simply the best ever made in my opinion. RPGCodex has shifted into an alt-right, anti-woke forum completely. [sauce]

the majority of posters are from the Gamergate crowd or similar. [sauce]

You appear upset, Mortmal. Maybe you should stick to a more welcoming, less toxic, less bigoted, more trans-friendly community, such as RPGWatch?

 

[Viata]

It's the weekend, they wouldn't tweet anything now anyway.

The date here is 24th, which was yesterday, Saturday, part of the weekend.

 

[thesheeep]

You don't take into account that other people may have different criteria for a computer game that yourself. We don't even have a CRPG definition let alone objective criteria by which to assess one so how can you claim what score is rational and what isn't?

Because what is and isn't rational is fairly easy to tell apart if you still have a grasp on reality. Which most people even here do have.
Games can be rated very objectively - there's always some bias and some subjective parts, but most things about a game have an objective quality to them that can be agreed upon.
And then you'll end up in a reasonable range of ratings.

Someone could make a claim that BG3, even if considered it a good game, objectively has major flaws and does not deserve a 5/5 so all 5/5 are not legit. Then only 4/5 and 3/5 are serious votes worth considering. That is absurd but it the exact same line of reasoning as yours.

That is only absurd reasoning if your assumptions are extremely flawed.
Why would you think 5/5 is perfection?
1/5 is the 0-20% range, 2/5 21-40% ... 5/5 81-100%. You can move some ranges around and make 1/5 and 5/5 smaller than the rest, but you'll always end up with all of the "star" ratings representing a range of quality.

But yes, I'd definitely prefer if the vote had specified what the range was actually meant to depict. Not a fan of small voting ranges, precisely because of inaccuracy.
IMO just make it a number field with percentages. Let people enter 0.0-100.0.

Clearly one can disregard production qualities like graphics and audio as those are superficial things only plebians care about and focus only on the important aspects of a CRPG like combat/gameplay and story/writing.

No, you can't just disregard major aspects of games. Graphics and audio may not matter to you personally (which I call BS on, you're just trying to make a lost case here), but they definitely matter to most people, including most professionals, critics and, well, everyone really, not just the plebs.
I agree you can/should weigh things differently based on your personal bias. But even then you'd have to take them into account for the average.
And while I agree you can disregard production qualities or you'd only end up with higher results for AAA, you cannot disregard objective qualities like a coherent art style, audio and atmosphere.

I also forgot the technical side, performance, bugginess, etc.

 

[Shaki]

I don't mind JA3 winning, this side was always 50% RPG discussion and 50% shitposting.

That said, I can't wait for the influx of new members for whom BG3 was the foundational RPG experience. Things will get lively

People like that will land on reddit or Resetera, not here. Someone for whom BG3 was "foundational experience", will get filtered from Codex after reading for 2 minutes and already seeing 20 posts about jews, trannies and niggers destroying gaming.

Lol, that's what you wish

Nah, I would love for more redditors to come here, people leaving their echo chambers are good for humanity, and Codex is only fun when there are retards here to argue with. There would be no point in writing xx posts about why slops like Starfield or BG3 are bad, if there weren't people like Vic or you, willing to fanatically defend them every time.

But we both know the reason why Codex still exist and is realtively popular, is because it's one of the very few gaming-related spaces which are not heavily censored. The winning side of the culture war banned opposite views from their sites for a reason, they exiled opponents to places like Codex to get rid of them, not to follow them and argue on their turf. They're content sitting in their echo chambers, and they're not going to voluntarily leave them. If anything, Codex will only get more and more edgelords with time, as they get banned on other sites and find out there is a place which lets them REEEEEE about trannies and niggers as much as they want.

 

[Grauken]

I don't mind JA3 winning, this side was always 50% RPG discussion and 50% shitposting.

That said, I can't wait for the influx of new members for whom BG3 was the foundational RPG experience. Things will get lively

People like that will land on reddit or Resetera, not here. Someone for whom BG3 was "foundational experience", will get filtered from Codex after reading for 2 minutes and already seeing 20 posts about jews, trannies and niggers destroying gaming.

Lol, that's what you wish

Nah, I would love for more redditors to come here, people leaving their echo chambers are good for humanity, and Codex is only fun when there are retards here to argue with. There would be no point in writing xx posts about why slops like Starfield or BG3 are bad, if there weren't people like Vic or you, willing to fanatically defend them every time.

But we both know the reason why Codex still exist and is realtively popular, is because it's one of the very few gaming-related spaces which are not heavily censored. The winning side of the culture war banned opposite views from their sites for a reason, they exiled opponents to places like Codex to get rid of them, not to follow them and argue on their turf. They're content sitting in their echo chambers, and they're not going to voluntarily leave them. If anything, Codex will only get more and more edgelords with time, as they get banned on other sites and find out there is a place which lets them REEEEEE about trannies and niggers as much as they want.

If you think the codex isn't just another echo chamber, you've drunk too much cool aid

 

[thesheeep]

And no, I'm not coping here. I'm fine with BG3 not winning every GOTY everywhere, it's not a perfect game
And JA3 is a good game, so well done.

But I do mind troll voting in GOTY polls and these troll votes actually having an impact. It's just shit.
Like Starfield winning the "Most Innovative" Steam award. Haha, ironic, such funny.

 

[Mortmal]

Larian is not tweeting about it, second place and silver but still...Why?

Make one more for the third place too, for consistency.

Would but i dont know how vince looks like , i guess i'll have to go for a generic ukrainian.

 

[luj1]

Action game with RPG elements

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/dark-souls-is-absolutely-an-rpg-explanation.130206/

It has quests and stats and stuff so it's RPG lol Souls drones are pinnacle of retardation.

"It walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, haha what a pinnacle of retardation to call it a duck."

Well don't be deceived then. It is merely in duck's clothing.

I read your thread. Quests exist in adventure games too (like Outcast or Little Big Adventure or Kings Quest, etc.)

Stats can be added to everything (see Borderlands). If you added stats to Need for Speed or Quake, would they be an RPG? For you they probably would, for me they wouldn't.

You talk about CnC a lot, but CnC is not a principal tenet of RPGs. Text adventures such as the Colossal Cave Adventure, Oregon Trail or Michael Crichton's Amazon have CnC. CYOA booklets also have CnC.

Having a chargen cannot be used to define RPGs either because games such as Metal Gear Solid have a chargen too. And games like Heretic or Powerslave have inventories.

So these are all elements of various genres. But what is the thing only RPGs have? It is its actual game format. And for that you need to follow the lineage. And its lineage is linked with wargaming. Read my sig.

Dark Souls is centered around a superb combat system and this system relies on player skill. If you are reliant on player skill, how can it be an RPG? RPGs don't employ the latter. Your reflexes shouldn't matter. Your hand to eye coordination doesn't matter. Secondly, there is a sense of leisure which comes with RPG precursors (TTRPGs and wargaming), where the standard flow of realtime doesn't exist and can be put on hold at any instant. I don't think that every RPG must be strictly turn-based, but action games cannot be RPGs. Action games are action games in my opinion.

 

[Viata]

If you think the codex isn't just another echo chamber

Yeah, so much an echo chamber the first place for this GOTY was the one everyone wanted, right?

 

[Viata]

Would but i dont know how vince looks like , i guess i'll have to go for a generic ukrainian.

Go with the Vault Dweller.

 

[Lord of Riva]

Tbh given how close the results are, i actually blame modders and journos for tilting the results enough that bg3 missed out on the top spot.

This is the price of banning newtonian mods and pearl clutching over sexy shadowheart appearance changers.

This seems to be correct, without the typical culture war nonsense by the wokesters more people would have Voted positively.

It's so fucking Ironic that BG 3 will win the Game of the year on RPGhq, I'm so laughing my as off.

Ironic as rpgHQ is really a sister site , can you even tell them apart?

But one is clearly a lot more successful!

Not that I doubt that RPGhq is smaller but you do realize that between those topics is 7 Months?

At least there normal and gaming relevant topics can get pinned without censoring by overly political people.

 

[lukaszek]

Using Median instead of Average, as it's less affected by dishonest votes (FWIW, average is 9.6 games, many thanks to Hellraiser & racofer).

in previous polls such votes were excluded

 

[Grauken]

If you think the codex isn't just another echo chamber

Yeah, so much an echo chamber the first place for this GOTY was the one everyone wanted, right?

Not every echo chamber is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? This one wanted to virtue signal that woke content isn't welcome on the codex, and what did they manage? 2nd place. It's amusing

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Dark Souls is centered around a superb combat system and this system relies on player skill. If you are more reliant on player skill, than the skill of your character, how can it be an RPG?

PnP relies on player's IQ or player's skill with a particular system. You can't divorce the player from the character.
Classic RPG relies on player's brain (analytical thinking), aRPG relies on player's brain for the build and additionally relies on player's brain for reflexes. That's why it has an "a" prefix, because it adds something.

Stats can be added to everything (see Borderlands)
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You talk about CnC a lot, but CnC is not a principal tenet of RPGs.
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Having a chargen cannot be used to define RPGs

So these are all elements of various genres.

No, these are all signs of an RPG, but when there's not enough signs, it's just a game of a different genre with RPG elements.
When the game consists entirely of RPG elements and has additional elements like action combat, it's an RPG with a one letter prefix.

 

[luj1]

Woke content is against nature and God, against art, against man. It is our enemy.

 

[luj1]

PnP relies on player's IQ

Ah but this is not the same as reflexes, or coordination. These are physiological functions.

 

[Viata]

If you think the codex isn't just another echo chamber

Yeah, so much an echo chamber the first place for this GOTY was the one everyone wanted, right?

Not every echo chamber is the same, haven't you figured that out yet? This one wanted to virtue signal that woke content isn't welcome on the codex, and what did they manage? 2nd place. It's amusing

So not an echo chamber.

 

[luj1]

When the game consists entirely of RPG elements and has additional elements like action combat, it's an RPG with a one letter prefix.

Entirely? This is not true.

You are claiming that RPG elements are the core, and action combat is the dressing. This is a lie. It's the other way around.

When you take away RPG elements you still have an action game. But if you take away the action, you have nothing. Therefore action is the foundation, character elements are the dressing.

 

[Martyr]

and this is EXACTLY THE REASON why every fucking Codexer should have voted 1/5 !
BG3 is a product of its time. you want tactical turn based RPGs? there are tons and tons to choose from! the only standout features of BG3 are the graphics-whore cutscenes and the furfag & gay content. this game is a disgrace to the name "Baldur's Gate", to RPGs in general and to every normal person!

 

[Iucounu]

It's showing that BG3 was votebombed by people who joined in like 2022/2023, and that people who joined earlier were generally more likely to vote it 4 or 5?

you cant tell that by that graph
but you can with this one:

Or could it be that new members are simply more active than old ones? I'm sure lots of new legit people become members all the time, make a few posts, and then move on.

Perhaps voting should have the same limits as post ratings (i.e., being a patron or member for one year). It's inconsistent that new members are allowed to rate games but not rate posts...

 

[Dadd]

It's the weekend, they wouldn't tweet anything now anyway.

The date here is 24th, which was yesterday, Saturday, part of the weekend.

They will thank the Codex come Monday, there can be no doubt.