Review RPG Codex Review: Darth Roxor on Disappointment, thy name is Pillars of Eternity

[Jools]

Thanks Western . At least you did put something forward, in both threads.

 

[Dreaad]

2 cool

Perhaps. But consider, if we were all as silent as you, likely this place wouldn't exist.

Personally I find more pleasure in reading and posting here, than watching the latest 10/10 tv drama. As for gaming, I can't do it for hours on end, I have to take breaks or I hate everything because it's too easy . I suppose it just seems like us grognards are making criticisms which we describe in detail and in return we get "....but it was hard for me." Which can also be frustrating. Some make an effort and convince me to reconsider certain points, most don't.

Nice post either way bro.

 

[Zorba the Hutt]

One of the things you will find is a maddening amount of repetition. There is only so many times you feel like going up against 'the game is too easy', 'the setting is bland', 'the combat is boring', 'muh no combat xp' before you feel like just giving up on the issue because it just doesn't get you anywhere. Perhaps thats just the nature of internet debate, its not like I post all that much to begin with.

To be fair, the haters don't have a monopoly on repetition, the fanboy side of the divide contribute plenty of their own. Like the habit of constantly reducing nuanced arguments into retarded deliberate miss-quotes like:

'muh geam is shyte where is my cumbat EXX PEE!?' ?

Good wallotext though

 

[Haba]

Nevermind that they are experts and play the game in a completely different way from thousands of others and their experience has fuck all to do with what most other people experience. I played the game for so many hours and had several tough fights and to reload many times (playing on hard) and I log into the Codex and people go like 'muh easy fights Sawyer balance failed so hard trolololo' and there are handful of other grognards who keep reinforcing that shit and it just feels like Bizarro World to me.

That's O.K., you just are bad at playing games. But this is the RPG Codex, so please let the grown-ups do the talking. Seriously, you come to a "hard-core" cRPG site that even has a headline that says "doesn't scale to your level" and somehow all this is surprising to you?

Not to mention that PoE puts a lot of effort in trying to provide different experience for differently 'abled' players. Or that easy combat, boring encounters are two separate issues.

I'm certain that casual RPG fans will gobble PoE up (while occasionally complaining how "outdated" it is). It can even be highly successfully and critically acclaimed like Skyrim and Fallout 3. Doesn't change the fact that it is a mediocre product from a company that at least on paper is the most qualified to make an excellent cRPG. And that is why PoE is disappointing.

 

[Darth Roxor]

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

guess im just a contrarian edgelord like that

 

[Irenaeus]

Nevermind that they are experts and play the game in a completely different way from thousands of others and their experience has fuck all to do with what most other people experience. I played the game for so many hours and had several tough fights and to reload many times (playing on hard) and I log into the Codex and people go like 'muh easy fights Sawyer balance failed so hard trolololo' and there are handful of other grognards who keep reinforcing that shit and it just feels like Bizarro World to me.

That's O.K., you just are bad at playing games.

Wow, you are so good at playing cRPGs, mama would be proud.

 

[hivemind]

Seriously?

 

[A horse of course]

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

Ah, yes the difficulty stuff is irking me too. I struggled through many fights in PoE, Divinity, Grimrock, Dragonfall and even Wasteland 2 only to go on forum and read that the game is banal shit boring and practically plays itself. It makes me feel dumb, but also happy that I'm able to enjoy games other cannot because of their superior intellect. The only RPG I've played that really plays itself and requires almost no imput from the player was Final Fantasy VII (and most of FF VI). It made me mad when I've read the wiki and discovered that Sephiroth's supernova attack deals damage based on HP percentage, and I was in no danger through the entire fight. I didn't fought weapons though.

 

[Jools]

And thus we learnt that Ed uses an USB-interfaced etch-a-sketch in stead of a mouse.

 

[J_C]

Nevermind that they are experts and play the game in a completely different way from thousands of others and their experience has fuck all to do with what most other people experience. I played the game for so many hours and had several tough fights and to reload many times (playing on hard) and I log into the Codex and people go like 'muh easy fights Sawyer balance failed so hard trolololo' and there are handful of other grognards who keep reinforcing that shit and it just feels like Bizarro World to me.

That's O.K., you just are bad at playing games.

Wow, you are so good at playing cRPGs, mama would be proud.

As I said before, I would really like to see in a video how these RPG geniuses play the game, and steamrolling through PotD. I have a feeling some of them have to reload half a dozen a times in the more difficult battles, then they come here and boast about how easy the game is. Or the best argument: the game is difficult, but it is not the good type of challange, it is just difficult for the sake of diffuculty.

 

[Hatred]

Nice review D.Roxor and nice thread everybody. Its been fun.

 

[Hatred]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmyMOHpeSEU
here you go J_C . This is a video of someone beating PotD backer beta content which is harder than the actual game because you are actually lower level than the game would have you at. If you check out his channel he does talk about how even on PotD it really aint that hard. Keep in mind at all times this video is of someone doing harder content than anything actually in the game.
Edit : just to be clear this is just some random dude who was in the beta. No idea if it is someone from the 'dex

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

He also plays with full player generated party, PoE is meant to be played with Obsidian's shitty NPCs.

 

[A horse of course]

8chan seem to have confused Roxor with mindx2 , calling him "a midget with no arms". Another kindly stepped in to correct the error and defend mindx by pointing out that "he has a really hot wife".

 

[Hatred]

He also plays with full player generated party, PoE is meant to be played with Obsidian's shitty NPCs.

Playing with a player made party on PotD should be a viable option.

 

[DarkUnderlord]

This thread is now about mindx's hot wife.

Page 60 here we come!

 

[Grunker]

who's got a wot house?

 

[Gangrelrumbler]

He also plays with full player generated party, PoE is meant to be played with Obsidian's shitty NPCs.

Playing with a player made party on PotD should be a viable option.

It is viable. It's also really overpowered, just like it was in Baldur's Gate.

 

[Athelas]

That's because of the anticipation.

I wouldn't describe a 1000+ page megathread of butthurt as 'anticipation'. And I'm pretty sure the post-release discussion of PoE is already more sizeable than other Kickstarter RPG's that have been out for six months to a year.

 

[hiver]

Thats not true. If we assume god is some kind of evil monster then not even your thoughts can serve as proof of anything. Just the fact that you are thinking wouldn't mean anything in that case. You would be nothing more then a program build to think its thinking independently.

But i was rather arguing that thinking - everything is a lie - is nonsense just by itself, nothing more then extreme assumption - so it does not need any special proof for or against it.
Because it is nonsense extreme idea.

You misunderstand me to be arguing that everything is a lie there, for some strange reason, while that very sentence proves that kind of thinking is basically an oxymoron.


maybe i should have made it clearer....


If you are thinking everything is a lie, then that very thought may not be true - ok?
Or, if you think everything is a lie - then you cannot think that "everything is a lie" is true - since that would defeat the starting position.

You can spin yourself inside such preposterous assumptions indefinitely and thats just pointless. Since the starting position is preposterous unfounded extreme assumption.


Besides that, i exist even when i dont think, obviously, as that happens every night when im sleeping.

"You would be nothing more then a program build to think its thinking independently." Funny you should mention this, because this is quite a strong movement in modern philosophy - people are just an outcome of their "hardware" and they're only under the illusion of will, because they don't understand the complexity of their own mental patterns. But what does this really say? You said it your self; you're not really thinking, yoy're just a program thinking its thinking independently. But that's all you need, that's your proof right there.

So aplllying that to what you said would look like this:

"If you are thinking everything is a lie, then that very thought may not be true - ok?" - If everything is a lie (or just a possibly lie, we don't need the extremes), then the legitimate conclusion would be: content of your thoughts is a lie, your thinking is not independent, your process of thinking is flawed etc. etc. That's all true hiver. But you cannot deny that something is really happening there. Is it possible that you're wrong in determining what exactly is happening? Sure. That's based on the premise that everything is a lie. But again, that's just a content of your thoughts. There is obviously some activity/operation/function happening there and this function has to have some kind of cause. If you really want to claim that even the thinking itself (or rather function in the words of modern philosophy) is a lie, then the only way how to prove that is not doing anything at all, which is equivalent to death. But the very thought "Wait a second, am I dead (non existent)?" is the only prove you need to rightfully establish that you're indeed not dead, therefore somehow existing.

"Or, if you think everything is a lie - then you cannot think that "everything is a lie" is true - since that would defeat the starting position." - Same here, the starting position only applies to the content of your thoughts (or nature of your thoughts) and that's because what I said in my first post: it's a logical conclusion, a pattern of how human deduction works, but that's it. Experiencing some process (i.e. claiming that everything is a lie and somehow conclude it's the truth) cannot be denied, no matter the position it's supposed to defeat. And it doesn't even do that. Again, the only thing that's established by that statement is that everything you think about your own thinking might me as well lie/wrong. Which is not the same as claiming the thinking itself is not happening.

"Besides that, i exist even when i dont think, obviously, as that happens every night when im sleeping." - In this manner of speaking, you might as well be dead when you're sleeping.

Are you completely fucking STUPID eremita?

ARE YOU COMPLETELY FUCKING BAT SHIT FUCKING RETARDED??

DO I HAVE TO WRITE IN REALLY BIG CAPS LOCKS FOR YOU TO FUCKING UNDERSTAND THAT I AM ARGUING


AGAINST THE IDEAS SUCH AS THOSE?



- fucking hell... if you now try to argue that im not, im going to fucking blast your brain all over this thread.

 

[ZagorTeNej]

As I said before, I would really like to see in a video how these RPG geniuses play the game, and steamrolling through PotD. I have a feeling some of them have to reload half a dozen a times in the more difficult battles, then they come here and boast about how easy the game is.

Guilty until proven innocent, not a chance someone is better at the game than me unless he posts a video proof. Not gonna argue much (I didn't even play on PotD but on hard) and can accept that the difficulty can vary greatly in a semi-non linear RPG with 11 classes, 8 NPCs and no level scaling (depending on the order in which you do things, party composition etc.) but things like the incredible effectiveness of tank and spank strategy, lack of monster immunities and nasty effects, often non-optimal spell selection from enemy casters, lack of strong protection spells coupled with the ease of which you can sneak up on enemy and start the combat with an alpha strike are universal problems IMO.

Of course, you're free to believe I'm making shit up and that I reload 20 times for harder fights if it makes you feel better.

Or the best argument: the game is difficult, but it is not the good type of challange, it is just difficult for the sake of diffuculty.

Didn't see anyone mention that except for a specific fight. Regardless, there absolutely are such things as good and bad difficulty/challenge (depending on what you prefer), it's disingenuous to claim otherwise. An enemy that has access to same ability pool as you and make smart use of them to give you a taste of your own medicine is an example of good kind of difficulty (in my book), a HP spounge that is dumb as a brick but hits extremely hard is not the kind of difficulty I enjoy personally (I think of it as lazy design).

 

[Tzaero]

I'm sure everyone remembers when Mindx2 took a photo with Tim Schafer.
He could barely contain his rage.

 

[J_C]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xmyMOHpeSEU
here you go J_C . This is a video of someone beating PotD backer beta content which is harder than the actual game because you are actually lower level than the game would have you at. If you check out his channel he does talk about how even on PotD it really aint that hard. Keep in mind at all times this video is of someone doing harder content than anything actually in the game.
Edit : just to be clear this is just some random dude who was in the beta. No idea if it is someone from the 'dex

I'd rather watch a video from the final game. Also, I think Sensuki said that characteres were overleveled in the beta.

 

[Hatred]

I'd rather watch a video from the final game. Also, I think Sensuki said that characteres were overleveled in the beta.

Well I aint watched any video's of the game post release sorry. Also the beta was 4-8. I was level 10 when I hit dyrford village.
Edit :also had much better gear. You leveled faster in the beta also btw.