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You seem to be upset that it is accepted.

You seem to have an problem with reading comprehension. People do not use this term to describe their own games, you don't see this term used to describe products. It's not a thing.

First of all, high marks for circlequoting, by referring to felipepepe who is one of the autistic Codexers who have tried to push this meme. I'm surprised you didn't just quote yourself using that term.

You should try your hand and Wikipedia editing. You'll go far, I can tell.

Meanwhile Richard Cobett and Baff are what exactly? ... and what games have they created that they call "blobbers". None, as far as I can see.

In the end you just sink your own argument by pointing at Micheal Gridman's Twitter, where he describes himself as: Making a book about first person dungeon crawlers: DRPGs, blobbers, gridders.

Blobbers is according to this guy, on the same level as "DRPGs" and "gridders", i.e. weird and obscure terms, nobody uses outside some fringe groups who are each trying to force their own particular pet term.

So while you can use the term first person dungeon crawler to make a useful shorthand to describe a game, the other terms are not useful, because words are social constructs and those words aren't accepted.

You might as well just call this a Type A game. It's just as descriptive and useful as "blobber" or "gridder" or "DRPG"... i.e. not at all.

That's why attempts to appropriate "hack and slash" for diablow clones exclusively is likewise an example of malicious revisionism.

Those are commonly referred to as ARPGs or Action RPGs.

Should they be called "dollers" because you're playing with a "paper doll"? No, of course not. Because that's both stupid and only witty to dads.
 

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People do not use this term to describe their own games, you don't see this term used to describe products. It's not a thing.

Of all the links I posted I noticed that you left out Grimoire because it doesn't fit your argument.
 

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before the original Diablo, which is as decent a cutoff point as any

See, only a retard who doesn't understand anything would say this

No... it is the perfect cutoff point... if you realize how system design evolved (devolved) post-Diablo. Which is among the most influential games ever
 

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Of all the links I posted I noticed that you left out Grimoire because it doesn't fit your argument.

I didn't leave it out, the only mention of "blobber" in on the Steam page is by "Baff" on Metacritic, whatever that means. He starts his "review" by saying it's "pure incline", which is a popular Codex term, as well you know — so another circle-quote from you? Say it isn't so!

Anyway. The description of the game is consistently lacking the term "blobber".

Cleveland Mark Blakemore's Magnum Opus! The ultimate classic style turn-based roleplaying game in the tradition of Wizardry, Might&Magic, Lands Of Lore and Eye of the Beholder! A game that took over 20 years to produce! As much as 600 hours of play with hand-painted graphics and old skool goodness!

No "blobber" there. The description is a rather wordy, but accurate: classic style turn-based roleplaying game in the tradition of Wizardry, Might&Magic, Lands Of Lore and Eye of the Beholder!

About the game:

THE ULTIMATE CLASSIC STYLE TURN-BASED FANTASY ROLEPLAYING GAME!

After more than 20 years of development, the greatest roleplaying game of them all is finally ready for release! Grimoire is an homage to the classic dungeon blobbers and is inspired by Wizardry, Might & Magic, Lands of Lore, Anvil of Dawn, DungeonMaster and the Eye of the Beholder games!

No "blobber" there either. Not even Clefford describes is game as a "blobber". Should he have gone for "gridder" instead? If not, why not. Be specific.

Arx Fatalis and Diablo 1 are dungeon crawlers but they arent blobbers

If Arx Fatalis is a dungeon crawler, then System Shock 1 is also a dungeon crawler. Why is Diablo not an ARPG btw?
 
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Those are commonly referred to as ARPGs or Action RPGs.

Oh, but "ARPG" describes any kind of "RPG" that involves player skills, from Gothic to Skyrim.

Should they be called "dollers" because you're playing with a "paper doll"? No, of course not. Because that's both stupid and only witty to dads.

All kinds of games have a paper doll. "Clickfest", on the other hand, hits pretty close to home.
 

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The only thing people are laughing at is you, like usual. :lol:

Dextard, go inject yourself with the vaxx until you stop breathing.

Oh, but "ARPG" describes any kind of "RPG" that involves player skills, from Gothic to Skyrim.

Diablo does not involve skill to play, a spastic loaf of bread would do fine. But Skyrim and Gothic are Open World ARPGs, not the same thing.

Lumping Diablo and Skyrim together is also meaningless. If you use a term that's supposed to be narrower than "RPG" and include Diablo and Skyrim in the same group, that group is way too inclusive.

All kinds of games have a paper doll. "Clickfest", on the other hand, hits pretty close to home.

Sure, so should they be called "clickfest" games? No, because that's also fucking stupid. Like "blobbers".
 

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So are Gothic and Skyrim, what the fuck do they have in common with Diablo other than having action?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-rpgs-poll-results.141815/page-4#post-7728260

Why are you including "open world" into the mix? We are discussing combat.

Diablo is a hack and slash (which has become standard to refer to Diablo-clones action RPGs), and Gothic, Skyrim, Dragon's Dogma, Dark Souls, and many many others are action RPGs.
 

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Why are you including "open world" into the mix? We are discussing combat.

Because I'm not, that's just how the games are described. At the back of Skyrim's box, you're going to see "open world fantasy" describing the game. Not ARPG.

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Sure, so should they be called "clickfest" games? No, because that's also fucking stupid. Like "blobbers".

Too bad "clicker games" is already taken :smug:

Nothing wrong with that name, it's both descriptive and accepted.

Blobber is not descriptive, it's a forced meme, not is it accepted outside a very fringe circle of people. Have you ever met a group of people who are so closely knit in their hobby that they make up their own "colloquial" terms for things? That's "blobber".

The clicker games are not sold, they're given away, they're digital heroin for weak minded people and women.

No wonder their name is has pejorative connotations.
 
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So are Gothic and Skyrim, what the fuck do they have in common with Diablo other than having action?

https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads...-rpgs-poll-results.141815/page-4#post-7728260

Why are you including "open world" into the mix? We are discussing combat.

Diablo is a hack and slash (which has become standard to refer to Diablo-clones action RPGs), and Gothic, Skyrim, Dragon's Dogma, Dark Souls, and many many others are action RPGs.
Didn't someone come up with some stupid other name for Diablo-clones? Loot-clicker or some shit?
 

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This is what happens when parents don't beat their children.

Shit, even the "oneliners" from the blobber crew are cringe-inducing dad-jokes.

Didn't someone come up with some stupid other name for Diablo-clones? Loot-clicker or some shit?

Something like that, yes.

Which is probably why Diablo 3 went all out in being a looter-clicker, instead of a good game. Nomen est omen.
 

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Because I'm not, that's just how the games are described. At the back of Skyrim's box, you're going to see "open world fantasy" describing the game. Not ARPG.

A game can be both.
Just like how Fallout is an open world game, with turn-based combat.
 

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