Vapourware RPGs that can legitimately be called masterpieces

[Cryomancer]

Someone calling something art does not make it so. Everyone is calling everything art thanks to modern liberalism. When everything is art, nothing is art because it is a meaningless descriptor.
What you are doing is positing that because someone assigned a description to something, it must automatically be true.
This post is art, you can't disagree with me.

The notion that everything is art is only being pushed because it facilitates money laundering.

That said, a game, virtual or not is not art. At the same way that a sport is not art. A sport competition can have art forms of art(music and dance) during the intervals between rounds/matches but the sport itself is not art. Same with gaming. A ping pong is not a art but a star wars game can have cinematic, modeling, music, etc which is art. And there are nothing wrong with not being art. Chess is not art but is a amazing game. Easy to learn and hard to master, tons of tournaments...

As soon as you start making money selling this post as an art medium, I'll agree with you. In fact, you wouldn't need me to agree with you - it will be an objective fact.

So a retired guy who compose songs and distribute as royalty free music on internet because he loves to compose music isn't making art? But if a shit is sold to a drug lord in a bizarre money laundering scheme, then is art?

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Trying to move back the discussion to gaming. Fallout New Vegas is a masterpiece. Combines the good aspect of old fallout games(dialog, iterations) with the good of bugthesda fallouts and even improves by implementing aiming down sights and other mechanics.

 

[Grimwulf]

At this point, with everything being art, we have circled back to the differentiation of good and bad, and can do away with the label of art since it has brought nothing of tangible or critical value to describing something.

Not everything. Now you're just being over-dramatic.

A ping pong is not a art but a star wars game can have cinematic, modeling, music, etc which is art.

And what if you have shitty music, a cinematic that doesn't make sense out of game's context, and a model that makes you feel nothing until you see it where it belongs due to the plot?

"Music isn't art. But it can have rhymes and melodies, which is art."

So a retired guy who compose songs and distribute as royalty free music on internet because he loves to compose music isn't making art?

Oh, ffs. At this point I'm not even sure if you're trolling or not. Being traded as an art piece is not a single exclusive criteria that defines art. If a piece made its way to a world-known commercial art museum, in other words, made it to the industry - it's undeniably art.

If art was a disease, then being traded would be a symptom that defines the disease. Now I'm doing metaphors. Next step I'll have to draw pictures and explain it with gestures, because apparently words are not enough.

 

[Lilura]

Don't ignore me. I read your blog.

If you did, you wouldn't have such bad taste.

Spoiler

Iggy-binned.

 

[Cryomancer]

If you did, you wouldn't have such bad taste.

There are anyone here who isn't in your ignored list?

Just kidding. Anyway, M&B has good combat. Fallout too. Except 3 and 76.

 

[Richard Leaks]

Warcraft 3 has better combat than Baldur's Gate, thus it is a better RPG.

 

[Lilura]

Warcraft 3 has better combat than Baldur's Gate, thus it is a better RPG.

Spoiler

Iggy-binned.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

ja2 isn't an rpg

 

[Viata]

ja2 isn't an rpg

Pretty sure anything is a rpg now since Disco became one.

 

[Thunar]

What does Lilura even play in her free time? You can only replay through the same games for so long...
Perhaps she has ascended to the point where she sustains her RPG cravings on iggy binning and sassy comments.

 

[Grauken]

What does Lilura even play in her free time? You can only replay through the same games for so long...
Perhaps she has ascended to the point where she sustains her RPG cravings on iggy binning and sassy comments.

People on the codex don't have time to play games, bitching about them is a full time job

 

[Roguey]

You can only replay through the same games for so long...

If you're neurotypical. Those on the spectrum like familiar routines.

 

[Dramart]

If you did, you wouldn't have such bad taste.

There are anyone here who isn't in your ignored list?

Just kidding. Anyway, M&B has good combat. Fallout too. Except 3 and 76.

They don't have good combat. M&B has the same combat as Skyrim and Oblivion. Games with good combat are Dark Souls, Devil May Cry, God of War. Still M&B does other things well, the battles are immersive, conquering all the other cities and making your army greater, visiting towns and talking to NPCs, etc. It's a great game, has good gameplay, the things I mentioned are part of gameplay, combat is too, but is not that great to be considered a masterpiece.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Games with good combat are Dark Souls, Devil May Cry, God of War.

 

[JDR13]

What does Lilura even play in her free time?

 

[Cryomancer]

M&B has the same combat as Skyrim and Oblivion. Games with good combat are Dark Souls, Devil May Cry, God of War. Still M&B does other things well, the battles are immersive, conquering all the other cities and making your army greater, visiting towns and talking to NPCs, etc. It's a great game, has good gameplay, the things I mentioned are part of gameplay, combat is too, but is not that great to be considered a masterpiece.

Are you crazy? Skyrim combat is click, click, click or with magic dual firebolt and stag to win. Archery is the unique good thing about skyrim's combat

And guess what. The main point of combat systems on RPG's are to be immersive.

 

[barghwata]

M&B has the same combat as Skyrim and Oblivion. Games with good combat are Dark Souls, Devil May Cry, God of War. Still M&B does other things well, the battles are immersive, conquering all the other cities and making your army greater, visiting towns and talking to NPCs, etc. It's a great game, has good gameplay, the things I mentioned are part of gameplay, combat is too, but is not that great to be considered a masterpiece.

TES's melee combat has to be the worst combat i have ever seen in any ARPG i've ever played, i know M&B's melee combat isn't something special or anything but it's insulting to compare it to TES.

 

[fantadomat]

What does Lilura even play in her free time? You can only replay through the same games for so long...
Perhaps she has ascended to the point where she sustains her RPG cravings on iggy binning and sassy comments.

People on the codex don't have time to play games, bitching about them is a full time job

I do play them

 

[Lilura]

People on the codex don't have time to play games, bitching about them is a full time job

That may be true for you and some others, but for me it's about mastery + commentary + authority.

It's EZ to separate the ones that know RPGs from the ones that don't: content of posts. Also, EZ to separate the ones that were gaming in the glory days fom the ones that weren't: form of posts.

It's all about separation: clearance from the crowd.

 

[fantadomat]

authority

You do need an authoritarian man to slap you around when you go full on crazy.

 

[Roguey]

It's EZ to separate the ones that know RPGs from the ones that don't: content of posts. Also, EZ to separate the ones that were gaming in the glory days fom the ones that weren't: form of posts.

Where do I fall?

 

[Viata]

It's EZ to separate the ones that know RPGs from the ones that don't: content of posts. Also, EZ to separate the ones that were gaming in the glory days fom the ones that weren't: form of posts.

Where do I fall?

Into the iggy bin.

 

[Lilura]

Where do I fall?

You have the knowledge but lack some of the form. You, Fairfax and various other knowlegeable posters sound a lil' too modern. I prefer the posting form of Grimwulf, CMB, ERYFKRAD and Rogueknight. And of course, my own.

 

[JarlFrank]

Where do I fall?

You have the knowledge but lack some of the form. You, Fairfax and various other knowlegeable posters sound a lil' too modern. I prefer the posting form of Grimwulf, CMB, ERYFKRAD and Rogueknight. And of course, my own.

What about me

 

[Lilura]

What about me

Yes, you are definitely alpha-poster on form + content. Also, VD.

Kyl Von Kull could have been but then he went full-retard on content with Poncefinder: Cuckmaker and JA2; thus, iggied. Still, he has the form.

 

[Lilura]

Anyone here think HoMM3 is a masterpiece?