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Russian Kingdom Come Deliverance - Смута
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Indeed, Swedish mercenaries supported Russian army in battle of Klushino.
Wunderbar
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the guy has a build dated april this year, and it's playable enough to make hours long gameplay videos from it. Yet somehow he draws the conclusion that there are no devs and the whole thing a scam, just because no one have answered him.
Sounds legit.
Wunderbar
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https://dtf.ru/flood/1847033-smuta-u-smuty
Some random asshole did an actual journalism and found out the reason why the devs are acting so strange.
tl;dr
- surefire sign that a company was created for fradulent purposes is when it has no prior history (i.e. appeared out of nowhere and suddenly announced some ambitious project). The studio existed since 2015 and was making smaller scale mobile apps.
- sometimes in order to establish a fradulent business, scammers may buy an existing shell company. This is not the case here, since the studio's directors (one of them is that Vavra-lookalike) haven't change since 2015.
- OP checked studio's taxation history, and found out that their business was actually failing - since 2015 they paid less and less taxes, which implies that they were constantly downscaling their operations and laying off their employees. It all changed in 2022 when they managed to strike a deal to finance this game.
- After the game was announced, devs suddenly found themselves in a spotlight. The local authorities have woken up, did various checks, and found out that the studio's name ("Cyberia Limited") breaks some business-related laws since it's not actually an Ltd. Founders probably named it like that for the coolness factor (Ltd is written differently in Russian), and no one noticed it before 2022. So in a short timespan they had to rename their company, change their site and change all social medias.
The main conclusion is that the inexperienced dev studio bit more than they could chew, and now they are having some PR issues.
Some random asshole did an actual journalism and found out the reason why the devs are acting so strange.
tl;dr
- surefire sign that a company was created for fradulent purposes is when it has no prior history (i.e. appeared out of nowhere and suddenly announced some ambitious project). The studio existed since 2015 and was making smaller scale mobile apps.
- sometimes in order to establish a fradulent business, scammers may buy an existing shell company. This is not the case here, since the studio's directors (one of them is that Vavra-lookalike) haven't change since 2015.
- OP checked studio's taxation history, and found out that their business was actually failing - since 2015 they paid less and less taxes, which implies that they were constantly downscaling their operations and laying off their employees. It all changed in 2022 when they managed to strike a deal to finance this game.
- After the game was announced, devs suddenly found themselves in a spotlight. The local authorities have woken up, did various checks, and found out that the studio's name ("Cyberia Limited") breaks some business-related laws since it's not actually an Ltd. Founders probably named it like that for the coolness factor (Ltd is written differently in Russian), and no one noticed it before 2022. So in a short timespan they had to rename their company, change their site and change all social medias.
The main conclusion is that the inexperienced dev studio bit more than they could chew, and now they are having some PR issues.
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This is a much ado about nothing, your tldr is too long. Here's a tldr about your tldr: nothing useful.
What's more interesting is this https://www.list-org.com/company/2933205
Here they list the company's revenues, expenditures and income.
They received 260 million.
They SPENT 240 million.
They declared 20 million as profit (to distribute among the shareholders).
No more money left. Plus, the way they spent it is weird. You'd need about 100 employees to spend all that. But in reality they only have ~13. So... where's the money Lebowski? And why is no one answering and can't be reached, again?
But I think I've read somewhere that they'll be receiving more grants after the 260 mil. So, they'll probably keep doing something, why dissolve now.
What's more interesting is this https://www.list-org.com/company/2933205
Here they list the company's revenues, expenditures and income.
They received 260 million.
They SPENT 240 million.
They declared 20 million as profit (to distribute among the shareholders).
No more money left. Plus, the way they spent it is weird. You'd need about 100 employees to spend all that. But in reality they only have ~13. So... where's the money Lebowski? And why is no one answering and can't be reached, again?
But I think I've read somewhere that they'll be receiving more grants after the 260 mil. So, they'll probably keep doing something, why dissolve now.
GrafvonMoltke
Shoutbox Purity League
Just imagine; we argued for all those pages about what a shithole Russia is and we could've just let events unfold by themselves, demonstrating the original point
So I got the leaked client, played with it, unpacked and inspected it.
The 3 major areas that are in-game are heavily unfinished.
Only about 2 houses can be entered and lead to another sublevel. The sublevels are located under the ground for some reason... and looking out the window, you see some fucked up shit.
To the guy who was asking why Slavic people gesture like Italians, it's cause there's a dozen motion capture asset packs from the marketplace.
Then dozen of asset packs of nature, a dozen for animals, particles, various plugins for shit that any self respecting studio would do in house.
It's not 100% an asset flip, there's some stuff they made in-house, but I'd say it's about 50-50. Very indie looking approach, like they're on a very tight budget.
All in all, I could do the same thing with a couple millions and a few freelancers, not 260 million. It's fair to say some funds may have been appropriated, so to speak.
Doesn't mean the game won't come out. A lot of projects are done this way in Russia, and it still stands. I am annoyed, though.
The 3 major areas that are in-game are heavily unfinished.
Only about 2 houses can be entered and lead to another sublevel. The sublevels are located under the ground for some reason... and looking out the window, you see some fucked up shit.
To the guy who was asking why Slavic people gesture like Italians, it's cause there's a dozen motion capture asset packs from the marketplace.
Then dozen of asset packs of nature, a dozen for animals, particles, various plugins for shit that any self respecting studio would do in house.
It's not 100% an asset flip, there's some stuff they made in-house, but I'd say it's about 50-50. Very indie looking approach, like they're on a very tight budget.
All in all, I could do the same thing with a couple millions and a few freelancers, not 260 million. It's fair to say some funds may have been appropriated, so to speak.
Doesn't mean the game won't come out. A lot of projects are done this way in Russia, and it still stands. I am annoyed, though.
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Lord_Potato
Arcane
Didn't end well for them
The devs created a VK page and uploaded a dev blog video to say that no, they're not gone. https://vk.com/smuta.games
Someone found an older art they presented. It had a character they stole from a polish artist on artstation. They replaced it, this art piece on VK now has new guys on it.
In the first dev blog video they interview one of their historical consultants. It's some guy from a organization called anti-NATO. People are expressing concern about him being a neutral consultant or if he's going to be one of those folk history guys with crazy shit in his head.
That's all for today.
Someone found an older art they presented. It had a character they stole from a polish artist on artstation. They replaced it, this art piece on VK now has new guys on it.
In the first dev blog video they interview one of their historical consultants. It's some guy from a organization called anti-NATO. People are expressing concern about him being a neutral consultant or if he's going to be one of those folk history guys with crazy shit in his head.
That's all for today.
GrafvonMoltke
Shoutbox Purity League
Bester gonna continue pouring time and attention into this obvious pump and dump scheme what a joke
Lord_Potato
Arcane
And we get constant updates on this shipwreck, so it's all good.
Lord_Potato
Arcane
I fear this is symptomatic for the whole production. Stolen 2d art, 3d asset flip, and of course, hiring some crazies as consultants to divert attention elsewhere and later be able to state that the poor ratings are caused by 'review bombing from butthurt Poles'.The devs created a VK page and uploaded a dev blog video to say that no, they're not gone. https://vk.com/smuta.games
Someone found an older art they presented. It had a character they stole from a polish artist on artstation. They replaced it, this art piece on VK now has new guys on it.
Lord_Potato
Arcane
only if they manage to find 'cool finishing animations' in the asset store. Or steal it from other games. Maybe from Witcher 3. If you have to, steal from the best
GrafvonMoltke
Shoutbox Purity League
I hope (but very much doubt) that this will be an accurate depiction of the misery of Russian serfdom
GrafvonMoltke
Shoutbox Purity League
Reinhardt
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MURZYN!
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Val the Moofia Boss
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The medieval Russia setting could be refreshing. Unfortunately the photo-realisim looks ugly. Wish it had a nice artstyle, maybe make it look like Nicolai Kochergin's stuff or something.
Lord_Potato
Arcane
It will never be completed.
But if it was, most likely it would be sold in Russia via their Russian equivalent of Steam (I think VK has something like that).
And I guess it'll somehow get smuggled into the west?
Lord_Potato
Arcane
Russia now has a law that pirating Western software is allowed.
We'll be glad to reciprocate
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