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Why in this RPG's, the villain generally is cool while the MC is extremely boring?

Seriously. You have Wiches and Deathknights as villains on JRPG's while the protagonist is rarely even non human and non swordsman.

I have very little experience with JRPGs, but in both I've played (DQ8 and 11) the idea seems to be that the main character is kind of a blank slate for you to RP as. They don't even speak in either game. A lot of the team members and other characters can be very likeable and cool though.

As for withches and deathknights, I don't think they'd be particularly interesting playable characters either, but if they were available, they'd likely be just as plain and silent as the main character already is.
 

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I have very little experience with JRPGs, but in both I've played (DQ8 and 11) the idea seems to be that the main character is kind of a blank slate for you to RP as. They don't even speak in either game. A lot of the team members and other characters can be very likeable and cool though.

As for withches and deathknights, I don't think they'd be particularly interesting playable characters either, but if they were available, they'd likely be just as plain and silent as the main character already is.

Interesting. Can i be a necromancer in DQ?

Any "rpg" that forces me to use a sword is automatically a never to play game. Nothing against games without magic or firearms as longs i can use axes, halberds, spears, longbows, arbalests and so on.

And urealistic sized swords are the most retarded thing ever. Swords has no reach, no anti armor capability, can't be used for big game hunting, require constant maintenance but has a advantage. Is very portable and amazing secondary weapons. If you make a Cloud style oversized sword, the sword loses all advantages of a sword and will NEVER be good as a equally sized axe in therms of cutting.
 

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Hero has Sword, Greatword, Swordmastery and Luminary skill trees, as well as a whole ton of spells. The rest of the characters have their own shit like daggers, whips, spears etc.

It's probably worth looking up a guide if you're really interested, it's very different from most western RPGs

You can't be a necromancer
 

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Homeworld Remastered. Never got a chance to play this back in the day so I picked up the collection on sale and just finished the first game. Fun and very unique strategy game although I thought the difficulty was very uneven, some missions had barely any challenge at all.






 

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Homeworld Remastered. Never got a chance to play this back in the day so I picked up the collection on sale and just finished the first game. Fun and very unique strategy game although I thought the difficulty was very uneven, some missions had barely any challenge at all.







I still have fond memories of the intro to the first game.
 

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Homeworld Remastered. Never got a chance to play this back in the day so I picked up the collection on sale and just finished the first game. Fun and very unique strategy game although I thought the difficulty was very uneven, some missions had barely any challenge at all.







I still have fond memories of the intro to the first game.
I still have fond memories of everything in the first game.
 

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Legacy of Bhaal difficulty is insane BUT i hated the hp bloat. I mean, some times i use my HP bloated summons while I do other things IRL and takes minutes to kill some enemies with high hp. Finger of Death in other hands, is a mandatory spell to solo that difficulty. You can OHK even dragons with it.
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Finger of Death forces the enemy to make the spell save at -2 disadvantage
Necromancy specialization for wizard increases it by another -2
Greater Malison inflicts a -4 disadvantage
Totalizing -8.

Most dragons Has around 60(Adalon) to 65 Magical resistance(Kirkraag), two lower resist + a greater malison on a spell trigger + necromancer specialization can make a dragon that has 65% SR and only needs to roll 6 in a d20 to be saved from the OHK spell, having only 5% of MR and having to roll a 14 to bypass SR.

I honestly don't know if i can solo ToB as a necromancer on the Legacy of Bhaal difficulty however. SoA, I probably can.
 

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OMG... A Demon Lord on legacy of Bhaal difficulty. A enemy which you should't even fight in the first place, which even my planetar can't damage, that can deal 60+ damage per hit got ONE HIT KILLED by my finger of death. Sure, i used 3 lower resist and a greater malison on him BUT still... A fuking demon lord in a difficulty where anything can soak 666 nukes into the face.

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Homeworld Remastered. Never got a chance to play this back in the day so I picked up the collection on sale and just finished the first game. Fun and very unique strategy game although I thought the difficulty was very uneven, some missions had barely any challenge at all.







I still have fond memories of the intro to the first game.
I still have fond memories of everything in the first game.
I still have no memories of most things in the first game because it blows.
 

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Homeworld Remastered. Never got a chance to play this back in the day so I picked up the collection on sale and just finished the first game. Fun and very unique strategy game although I thought the difficulty was very uneven, some missions had barely any challenge at all.







I still have fond memories of the intro to the first game.
I still have fond memories of everything in the first game.
I still have no memories of most things in the first game because it blows.
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That's it.
It's fucking deratization time.
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Why in this RPG's, the villain generally is cool while the MC is extremely boring?

Seriously. You have Wiches and Deathknights as villains on JRPG's while the protagonist is rarely even non human and non swordsman.

I have very little experience with JRPGs, but in both I've played (DQ8 and 11) the idea seems to be that the main character is kind of a blank slate for you to RP as. They don't even speak in either game.

Western RPGs came up with the genius idea of letting the player create his own character. Human, elf, dwarf, male, female, wizard, fighter, thief, whatever - it's all up to you!!

Japs could learn from that incredible innovation that has been introduced to the genre as recently as... 1979 :M
Understandable that such a new innovation hasn't reached Japan yet.
 

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Western RPGs came up with the genius idea of letting the player create his own character. Human, elf, dwarf, male, female, wizard, fighter, thief, whatever - it's all up to you!!

Japs could learn from that incredible innovation that has been introduced to the genre as recently as... 1979 :M
Understandable that such a new innovation hasn't reached Japan yet.

It's just a different thing. It's a story specifically about those characters.

I'll say this too. It's FUN. Plenty of western RPG devs could take a note out of that book.
 

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Western RPGs came up with the genius idea of letting the player create his own character. Human, elf, dwarf, male, female, wizard, fighter, thief, whatever - it's all up to you!!

Japs could learn from that incredible innovation that has been introduced to the genre as recently as... 1979 :M
Understandable that such a new innovation hasn't reached Japan yet.

Hmm...I wonder if there is a correlation between anime and not being able to create your own character? The only Japanese RPGs I can stomach are non-anime ones, and the ones I've played (Gaiden IV and Wizardry Chronicles) do have character generation.
 

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It's just a different thing. It's a story specifically about those characters.

But they rarely has anything that justify being a fix protagonist. Eg - Being a human male teenager, specialized on ludicrous unpratical sword is not interesting. Nor in 99% of settings. Maybe if the protagonist lives in a Drow city it can be interesting but.... Is not as if they are incapable of making good characters. Every JRPG villain is amazing. I only read a little about Sephirot and Magus, both are extremely more interesting than Cloud and Chrono.

On reddit > https://www.reddit.com/r/rpg_gamers/comments/hre9nx/wrpg_protagonists_vs_jrpg_protagonists/
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Anyway, I did it. SOLOED SoA on Legacy of Bhaal difficulty

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I've used on the final battle >

  • 5 tier 9/epic spells -> 3 * summon planetar and 2 * stop time
  • 7 Tier 8 -> 5 * horrid wilting + pierce shield (and forgot to unmemorize the spell trigger)
  • 6 tier 7 -> 3 finger of death + limited wish + Mordekainen's Sword (only because i forgot to unmemorize the sequencer)
  • 4 tier 6 spells -> Two Invisible stalker + Spell deflection + True sight
  • 2 tier 5 spells -> Two lower resists
  • 1 tier 4 spell -> Greater Malison
  • 5 tier 3 spells -> 5 skull traps
  • Zero tier 1/2 spells. I an a necromancer. Necromancers can't cast the good low level illusion spells.
  • Total : 30 spells in battle
In addition to the spells used on the battle, i also used a LIMITED WISH to use a one time wish and cast a chain contigency and a sequencer and a spell trigger BUT don't remember which spells i picked and i don't have the usage on my spellbook. So we can sum + 9 to the spell usage. I also placed a lot of skull traps and rested, placed and rested on the arena, considering 5 skull traps per rest and 4 rests, I've casted 20 skull traps before the battle. That results in 59 spells being used to kill the enemy in that crazy high difficulty.

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But they rarely has anything that justify being a fix protagonist. Eg - Being a human male teenager, specialized on ludicrous unpratical sword is not interesting. Nor in 99% of settings. Maybe if the protagonist lives in a Drow city it can be interesting but....

I'm not some advocate for JRPG. I'm not sure why you think I am. Like I said, I've completed a total of 1, and I'm currently completing a second.
 

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Hmm...I wonder if there is a correlation between anime and not being able to create your own character? The only Japanese RPGs I can stomach are non-anime ones, and the ones I've played (Gaiden IV and Wizardry Chronicles) do have character generation.

Dark Souls is heavily inspired by Berserk and Gorgeous.

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Western RPGs came up with the genius idea of letting the player create his own character. Human, elf, dwarf, male, female, wizard, fighter, thief, whatever - it's all up to you!!

Japs could learn from that incredible innovation that has been introduced to the genre as recently as... 1979 :M
Understandable that such a new innovation hasn't reached Japan yet.
The original Final Fantasy from 1987 had six classes directly ripped off Dragons & Dragons: Fighter, Thief, Monk "Black Belt", Cleric "White Mage", Magic-User "Black Mage", and multi-classed Fighter/Mage/Cleric "Red Mage". Wizardry-likes attained great popularity in Japan and similarly allowed class selection in a tradition that continues to the present day. Even Japanese Action RPGs, such as Demon's/Dark Souls and Dragon's Dogma, allow class selection and customization. It's only the JRPG subgenre, specifically, where the narrative focus demanded a full set of pregenerated party-members, including the protagonist(s). :M
 

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t's only the JRPG subgenre, specifically, where the narrative focus demanded a full set of pregenerated party-members, including the protagonist(s). :M


99,9% of this protagonists are blank protagonists Generi-kuns. The villains in other hands, all seems to have amazing story, lore and background. Chrono Trigger if Magus was the MC would be a epic game. And Baldur's Gate 2 with Cloud or Chrono as a protagonist would be unplayable. Why they create so many interesting characters with interesting motivation, background, story and personality only to make the PC the most Generi-kun possible? Even on anime, a minority of shonen protagonists is different than a Generi-kun.

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