Skyrim is worse than Oblivion in every way

[Lemming42]

And yeah, being the Dragonborn is way over the top ... again. Why can't these suckers stop overdoing these power fantasies. It's very obvious that didn't have any say in Daggerfall's narrative.

The Warp in the West isn't a low-key event.

Numidium and all the Aetherius stuff only came into Daggerfall towards the end, though. For the vast majority of the game you were just some tard sent by the Emperor who everyone thought they could boss around.

 

[NotAGolfer]

Skyrim is better than Oblivion in every way. It's still shit though. Like this thread.

I'm not so sure. Character building reached its lowest point in Skyrim.

It did in Oblivion, where you didn't even have to choose a specialization because you could master all professions in the end.
In Skyrim it actually became better again because building a jack of all trades char results in suboptimal performances in everything (because of limited number of perks).

 

[Lancehead]

And yeah, being the Dragonborn is way over the top ... again. Why can't these suckers stop overdoing these power fantasies. It's very obvious that didn't have any say in Daggerfall's narrative.

The Warp in the West isn't a low-key event.

Meddling with politics is not low key compared to being a superhuman fighting a god?
Are you serious?

TES games are power fantasies by nature. Some less (not being able to control Numidium) than others but not to the point where Todd Howard can be pointed out as the difference.

 

[dryan]

Skyrim is better than Oblivion in every way. It's still shit though. Like this thread.

I'm not so sure. Character building reached its lowest point in Skyrim.

It did in Oblivion, where you didn't even have to choose a specialization because you could master all professions in the end.
In Skyrim it actually became better again because building a jack of all trades char results in suboptimal performances in everything (because of limited number of perks).

You can get every single perk in the game with Legendary edition.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Yep, they patched their game to be shit again, likely because retards cried that they weren't demi-gods like in Oblivion.

Still, base game is better, and even with the patch it's better, because giving the player perk options makes your progression more customized, you don't have to force yourself to use something or grind, you can save your shit until it's needed.

 

[NotAGolfer]

Skyrim is better than Oblivion in every way. It's still shit though. Like this thread.

I'm not so sure. Character building reached its lowest point in Skyrim.

It did in Oblivion, where you didn't even have to choose a specialization because you could master all professions in the end.
In Skyrim it actually became better again because building a jack of all trades char results in suboptimal performances in everything (because of limited number of perks).

You can get every single perk in the game with Legendary edition.

I would never use that shit feature and as long as I played Vanilla Skyrim the game didn't have it.
Still wouldn't use it and just accept that there's a level cap. It's not like the game forces you to reset skills.

 

[dryan]

Skyrim is better than Oblivion in every way. It's still shit though. Like this thread.

I'm not so sure. Character building reached its lowest point in Skyrim.

It did in Oblivion, where you didn't even have to choose a specialization because you could master all professions in the end.
In Skyrim it actually became better again because building a jack of all trades char results in suboptimal performances in everything (because of limited number of perks).

You can get every single perk in the game with Legendary edition.

I would never use that shit feature and as long as I played Vanilla Skyrim the game didn't have it.
Still wouldn't use it and just accept that there's a level cap. It's not like the game forces you to reset skills.

Dragon Age 2 doesn't force you to have buttsex with Anders either, but it sucks that the "feature" is there. Same goes for Skyrim's character system.

 

[eremita]

Skyrim is better than Oblivion in every way. It's still shit though. Like this thread.

I'm not so sure. Character building reached its lowest point in Skyrim.

It did in Oblivion, where you didn't even have to choose a specialization because you could master all professions in the end.
In Skyrim it actually became better again because building a jack of all trades char results in suboptimal performances in everything (because of limited number of perks).

You can get every single perk in the game with Legendary edition.

I would never use that shit feature and as long as I played Vanilla Skyrim the game didn't have it.
Still wouldn't use it and just accept that there's a level cap. It's not like the game forces you to reset skills.

Dragon Age 2 doesn't force you to have buttsex with Anders either, but it sucks that the "feature" is there. Same goes for Skyrim's character system.

Hey! You wouldn't be saying that, if you were gay/transgender/"whatever weird shit is popular these days" living his fantasies! Have some respect for you fellow human beings, sir! Also, this is one of the very few games where I can role-play a gay man. Ever heard of role-play? It's the core feature of RPGs, you know...

 

[Lerk]

"Fuck your team mates irrespective of race, gender, or whether it is in fact appropriate." was indeed a key aspect of RPGs that was missing for years. We should all be grateful that Bioware caught that particular ball. That the Avatar couldn't have a nice homo three way with Iolo and Dupre is the reason that LARPing faggot Lord British Richard Garriot is no longer a productive foutainhead of our genre...

 

[theSavant]

Funny, this thread makes me want to play Oblivion again, but not Morrowind and not Skyrim.
Maybe Nehrim is a good choice to install the game again.

 

[Broseph]

Funny, this thread makes me want to play Oblivion again, but not Morrowind and not Skyrim.
Maybe Nehrim is a good choice to install the game again.

 

[DraQ]

I don't remember Oblivion that much, I only remember not criticizing it and liking it

Then sorry, but you were an idiot then, it should be vital to you to check if you aren't one now.

What I remember was that the beginning wasn't as railroaded as Skyrim's

Yes, you had to walk the rail on your own. Yay.

To compensate for that you had quite a few instances of inexplicable cutscene paralysis, incredibly rigid scripting and no choice whatsoever.

Skyrim's modest C&C make it a flexibility incarnate in comparison.

and the graphics were better at the time it was released, it was beautiful, at least the nature and landscape.

Hahano.

Other than tons of performance slaughtering grass OB graphics had nothing going for it. It was all low-res textures smeared with specular (*everything* had plastic shine to it), shoddiness of all that thinly veiled with eye-damaging amount of bloom.
By "eye damaging" I mean that seeing a human face in a room lit by single candle was akin to witnessing a nuclear explosion without protective eyewear - which was actually preferable to not having merciful eye damage hide the nightmare inducing, inhuman potato-ness of supposedly human characters.

OTOH while Skyrim's graphics was visibly dated from the onset, it did a pretty good job at creating pretty impressive sights and whatnot.

Another thing I remembered about Skyrim is how fucking horrible the scripting of dialogues/actions were, there were always pauses between dialogue lines, dialogues end and action performed, you could see the script kicking in slowly and it looked hideous. Nothing is fluid in that game, it's all interrupted sequences of scripts.

Also I don't understand where they got the courage to create bigger battles than 1vs2, it's all such clusterfuck with the characters floating on the ground, missing all the swings, running around, missing some more, shouting horrible fucking lines of bullshit dialogue..WHY DOESN'T ANYBODY UNDERSTAND THAT BATTLE CRY IS NOT TO BE SPOKEN WITH THE SAME VOLUME AS NORMAL SPEECH, ffs, it's so idiotic watching the fake nords with fake helmets and fake accent run into wolves and miss, run around and miss, while speaking in normal voice:"YOU NEVER SHOULD HAVE COME HERE" as if the fucking wolf could possibly understand them.
What the fuck.
Why the fuck did they reuse the same lines for different voice actors? I cannot understand this, it can't cost more to have the actor speak different lines than the previous actor.

Is it better or worse than the entire game's worth of shit like this:


?

Personally I expected Skyrim to be an even worse oblivion, so I approached it with "disgonbgud" mindset but, to my surprise, it wasn't *nearly* as bad, being actually somewhat enjoyable even in unmodded form.

 

[Lemming42]

Funny, this thread makes me want to play Oblivion again, but not Morrowind and not Skyrim.
Maybe Nehrim is a good choice to install the game again.

Nehrim's a bit shit. I have a lot of respect for the creator (creators?) of the mod, because there's so many custom assets and the map is amazingly varied and huge, some parts look really good visually which is a major accomplishment for something running on Gamebryo, the new music is great and the quests even dabble in C&C.

Sadly, it can't shake off the failings of Oblivion. Floaty bullshit battle-of-the-HP-bars combat, running feeling more like ice-skating, derpy looking characters, all that sort of thing. So Nehrim falls apart simply because it's a mod for Oblivion. If it was a mod for anything else it would be really good.

 

[jiujitsu]

I have logged over 600 hours in Skyrim. I like it a lot. Some things are annoying, but that's okay. It's a huge open world to explore.

In contrast I logged like 25 hours in Oblivion and hated it.

 

[Borelli]

DraQ's videos - I've heard text to speech with more emotions than that.

 

[Onholyservicebound]

Lol'd hard at 1:23
Typical angry redguard.

 

[bloodlover]

Isn't Oblivion partially saved by OOO mod? I found it enjoyable with it but even though it adds a shitload of interesting stuff, the game still becomes boring after a while.

 

[DraQ]

Isn't Oblivion partially saved by OOO mod? I found it enjoyable with it but even though it adds a shitload of interesting stuff, the game still becomes boring after a while.

No matter how you overhaul it mechanically it will remain a game with shitty art direction, bsb locations, bsb and butchered setting and repetitive, well, everything.

No matter how much do you fix the actual act of playing it, there will still be no reason to actually start or keep playing it.

 

[abnaxus]

Nehrim is worse than Oblivion in every way.

 

[theSavant]

Nehrim is worse than Oblivion in every way.

Ok?! ... no need to hurry then I guess.


When now comparing Oblivion and Skyrim, something I think Bethesda did exceptionally well - even if not intended at first place:
the landscape/environment reflects on the NPCs.

Oblivion: green, fresh meadows landscape -> most NPCs are friendly, even unrealistically friendly and tell you all their sorrows. Conversations feel good and you feel integrated.
Skyrim: sparse, cold winterscape -> most NPCs are reserved, often unfriendly. You can really feel the coldness and bitterness from the landscape in the characters as well. Conversations don't feel good, you often feel not welcome. It's like... uhm... real world.

I guess that's why I recall Oblivion in a more positive way. But this is also the reason why it doesn't work for me to use "Tropical Textures" or "Lush Vegetation" on Skyrim. Because the NPCs still feature the same bitterness.

 

[Lerk]

"Skyrim belongs to the Nords!"

"Err, Lydia...those bandits are Nords too. And I'm an Imperial...."

 

[thesheeep]

Those Oblivion videos are priceless.

Filthy pickpocke-MEMMEMEMEMEMEMEMEMEME!!!!!!

 

[Clockwork Knight]

Other than tons of performance slaughtering grass OB graphics had nothing going for it. It was all low-res textures smeared with specular (*everything* had plastic shine to it), shoddiness of all that thinly veiled with eye-damaging amount of bloom.
By "eye damaging" I mean that seeing a human face in a room lit by single candle was akin to witnessing a nuclear explosion without protective eyewear - which was actually preferable to not having merciful eye damage hide the nightmare inducing, inhuman potato-ness of supposedly human characters.

Ayleid ruins were worse - maybe my gamma was a bit fucked, but it was actually hard to look at them during the day.

Isn't Oblivion partially saved by OOO mod? I found it enjoyable with it but even though it adds a shitload of interesting stuff, the game still becomes boring after a while.

Kinda. The jump in difficulty does make it more interesting, but that goes for any game. It doesn't so much "fix" the game as it "unfucks" the more boneheaded design decisions from vanilla.

 

[Turjan]

I hadn't looked at Skyrim in ages, and I'm probably late to the party, but when I fired up the game, I noticed that I have Dawnguard installed. Never bought any DLC. Let's see how this one fucks up the game.

 

[Lerk]

I hadn't looked at Skyrim in ages, and I'm probably late to the party, but when I fired up the game, I noticed that I have Dawnguard installed. Never bought any DLC. Let's see how this one fucks up the game.

Crossbows is how it fucks things up. Less said about the NPC the better.