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Renegen

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An R + E + Q + AA + Ignite combo from Zed isn't going to kill the carry. If we're having the discussion that any assassin ever attacking an ADC is automatic death for the ADC, we're not going to go far. The ADC will want to take Shield, that's a lot of extra survivability. And if the ADC is stupid enough to get QSS against Zed, an item that gives MR against a champion who deals 95% physical damage, he deserves to die. And as Roxor mentioned, a good jungler/support/top is enough to kill/neutralize Zed before he kills the ADC. Don't forget that if Zed tries to initiate with his W, there is enough of a delay to get exausted. As for the Banshees, interesting item for sure, I haven't tried it but it's also very gold inefficient. Zed just isn't that scary as a diver.

A fed Zed is another matter, and it's related to his laning ability. If a top Zed afk farms (risky enough as it can be in the early levels) he will allow the other top laner to afk farm and Zed probably won't be fed enough to kill the carry.
 

Hellraiser

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Except you're forgetting that QSS cleanses his ult and other disables like ignite which is a considerable part of zed's combo. Also you can build it into a damage item so it's not that shit anymore. I would say given the situation (zed being a nuisance) it's a bit better than rushing GA. Especially when he has brutalizer or BC making any armor you build on an adc more or less wasted gold anyway.
 

Renegen

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You should stop giving ADC advice, everything you've said here is horrible. Armor counters armor penetration extremely well. An easy chainvest is miles better than a QSS for its price. Since there's so many noobs here who think that barely 0.5 seconds of Zed mauling on you until he gets exhausted is somehow the worst experience a carry can go through, here's his counter: Randuins.

Now if the conversation has shifted to 6 item Zed vs 6 item ADC because someone decided to change the goal posts all of a sudden, is it really a crime to have a strong late game champion? Mid game Zed's instantaneous burst just isn't enough to insta-gib someone unless he's fed. His ult is quite lackluster at lvl 6 and 11 and he has energy problems. He needs to stick to you or else he can't kill you. Level 16+ he comes into his own except few games go to that point first of all, and by then you could just build 2 defensive items on ADC like Randuins + GA or your baby QSS if Zed is the primary threat. Not to mention 1 fight by then decides the game, that Zed better be confident in his abilities to insta-gib you.
 

Hellraiser

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Last time I heard they're nerfing him not because his lategame is OP (it isn't) but because he has easy laning, easy and safe pushing not to mention good roaming/ganking potential which allows him to get fed and snowball easily as his scaling is quite decent. Everything else he does is just icing on the cake and quite frankly wouldn't be a problem if it wasn't so easy to snowball with him or if he simply couldn't go mid in the current meta. Then again what do I know, I only see him in nearly every game where he isn't banned.
 

Renegen

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So guess who snuck in the top ten win percentages? Malzahar. He got very minor buffs on his mana costs and winning percentage jumped from 52% to 54%. In North America he sits at 56% LOL. When I played him during his free week, I did well every game despite being horribad at mid lane. He's somewhat safe and has insane jungle synergy thanks to flash + ult. In fact I even remember winning against a Diana my first game with him, take that assassins. :smug:

I predict that with the current jungle meta of hyper tanky meatshields, he will benefit really well. The best part again are all the pros universally saying how bad Malzahar is. Pr0lly, some new ap mid on the block, during his interviews loved pointing out how he played unconventional picks but even he drew the line at Malzahar. And you can check out for yourself Saint commenting on the latest patch saying Malz's minor buffs will produce absolutely nothing since he's shit.
 

Hellraiser

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Malz is pretty good, he gets hate for his ult being easy to stop but his laning and pushing is quite solid. In my experience it is hard to outpush him and space aids makes farming easy not to mention pretty mana efficient. Cooldown length sucks a bit and to make the most out of null zone they have to keep standing in it, but if you have snares/stuns from your support or jungler that's not an issue. Saying he's shit though is idiotic, he has his uses, the pros will probably eat those words like they did with morde when he became FotM way back eons ago. You just can't waste his ult when you know they can easily interrupt it. He's definitely underrated I do agree with that.
 

Darth Roxor

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I used to play Malz non-stop, but nowadays he's way behind the power creep to be any useful. He'll need much more than just mana costs to be viable again.
 
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Fucking Alistar, his combo is too hard and I still can't stop Hecarim from diving, he just comes in with his speed boost and then with the ult. Back to Gangbang support and such.

Or Thresh, I only just figured you can cast your ult so it instantly hits something. Lol.
 
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Karma won't be the blackest champion in LoL soon...

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