Game News Space Wreck finally coming to Early Access on December 5th

[rusty_shackleford]

The only thing worse than dialogue is putting skill check tags on dialogue.

Interesting cheat menu, but why do you have the cheats enabled by default?

 

[thesheeep]

The only thing worse than dialogue is putting skill check tags on dialogue.

Interesting cheat menu, but why do you have the cheats enabled by default?

Just to upset you.

 

[JarlFrank]

"Fallout successor" that takes 5 hours for a playthrough, with one playthrough showing 60% of the content. If more than $9.99 on release it's a ripoff.

Friendly reminder Fallout took 10 hours for a playthrough, or did you forget that it's a short game?

 

[Kamaz]

Should I add

For example, I find it extremely frustrating to have a very high skill in something, but then the roll fails critically and I get locked out of something that my char realistically should really be able to do.
Flat skill gates are the most realistic - when you use a skill that you have, there is no "chance", you are either good enough to do it or you are not.

Now, in Space Wreck, as you say, getting locked out by bad RNG might even open up alternative routes, making it less punishing or even rewarding in a way. But most games don't do it like that.

Ah, I see your point.

I recognize the problem. I think, the most painful it is in DnD-like systems where you may depend on a roll of a, say d20. It can be 1 it can be 20 or anything in between with the same probability.

We sort of address it by using a FATE-like system where you are increasingly likely to roll your skill value or something close to it. Say, you have speech 3, then often you will roll 3, sometimes 4 or 2, very unlikely - call it a critical failure - 1 or, on the contrary 5. Most rolls will be around your base value. And that is motivating you to invest in that skill so that you are less dependent on "bad" rolls. Meanwhile, the risk is always there (like Fallout's 95% hit chance).

You still can get majorly screwed by RNG in SW sometimes - but that's when you look for workarounds and improvise. The game can be completed - without combat - by failing every single skill check.

 

[JarlFrank]

The only thing worse than dialogue is putting skill check tags on dialogue.

Cool now do the same with the dice roll animation

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I still don't understand why you'd use dice for this on a computer.
You're simulating something that was used to approximate what you can easily calculate.

 

[Bad Sector]

Why bother with art and audiovisual design in general, all you need is an .xls file with your game's combat rules.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Why bother with art and audiovisual design in general, all you need is an .xls file with your game's combat rules.

If the style is meant to be "hipsters who like to pretend they're playing a tabletop game", then fine, but I just don't get it.
I'm not the target audience, obviously.

 

[Feyd Rautha]

Is it woke? The first comments says so...

 

[thesheeep]

Is it woke? The first comments says so...

For some backwater rejects, the mere mention of a woman or a third gender option will ruin everything.
You'll have to know yourself if you're a reject or not.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

For some backwater rejects

you live in finland

 

[thesheeep]

For some backwater rejects

you live in finland

Yeah, in the 2nd largest city

Besides, backwater reject is more a state of mind than an actual location-bound attribute.

 

[Junmarko]

backwater rejects

 

[Kamaz]

I still don't understand why you'd use dice for this on a computer.
You're simulating something that was used to approximate what you can easily calculate.

I presume I understand what you are getting at - dice were used as a substitute for computer and now simulating dice on the computer is a silly "posing" for style's sake. Form over substance, perhaps.

But this is just a simple mathematical formula and, subjectively, I find it easier to imagine what speech 3 and difficulty 2 mean when they are "dice rolls". At the end of the day, it's a result that confirms a certain normal distribution, it does not matter what happens under the hood.

Remove the dice animation, hide skill tags and SW still functions as intended - your success or failure being dependant on the character model you built by defining your strengths and weaknesses.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Is it woke? The first comments says so...

As far as I understand, these accusations are just a culmination of inter-slavic tribal feuding. Don't bother to try to understand slavic matters if you're a human.

 

[NecroLord]

^^It's happening again.

The sad thing is that people fall for these retarded innuendo campaigns about games they don't really know anything about. "I heard this game is woke, somebody in an RPG Codex thread said so. Look, there's a female character! Into the trash it goes."

Last time I checked Female starts with F. What does the N stand for?

Nigger.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

It seems like something that's cool maybe once or twice, but then immediately starts to get boring, annoying and feel like my time is being wasted.

Skill gates I find the best solution. You can either open the the lock or you can't.
Skill checks only lead to reload bonanzas unless roll results are fixed / not seeded on reload.

I disagree.

First of all - I started out with skill gates and found it ... sort of boring. There is no risk/reward; if you create a min-maxed character with max skill, you can just click through the dialogs without thinking. I mean, this is what happened. Skill gates were in the very first public version of the game.

Secondly, most rolls are seeded and permanent. If you fail this one specific skill check, you are done. There are exceptions, like door lockpicking where you spend resources (hairpins) for every attempt, but in dialogs, you don't get to reroll.

And third - Space Wreck is about failure. Skill check does not have to be a gate. In fact, sometimes in Space Wreck it acts as a fork - if you succeed you get one quest, if you fail - you get a different one. And this is where randomness (normalized according to Gaussian laws of nature) comes in and adds to the excitement - you cannot just rely on your maxed-out skill, there's always a risk of failure and then you have to adapt quickly.

Having implemented both ways, I prefer dice rolls.

If maxed out character loses the roll, then the alternative roll needs to be a lot easier because it's dependent on stats that the character invested 0 points into. This can easily descend either into the unsurmountable roadblock or something silly.

 

[agentorange]

"Fallout successor" that takes 5 hours for a playthrough, with one playthrough showing 60% of the content. If more than $9.99 on release it's a ripoff.

Fallout 1 is hardly a long game and you would probably see 60% of the content in a single playthrough if you go through the game in the way the developers gently guide the story (not going directly to the cathedral from vault 13, etc, although it is an important part of Fallout 1 that you can do that). And Fallout 1 was a game made by a full team with a large budget with the backing of a major publisher released at $50 or whatever the standard regional price was back then (which if a game of the same scale came out now at that price people would say its a ripoff because not enough content ie padding. in fact you would have people going straight from vault 13 to the cathedral and mariposa and finishing the game in 10 minutes and then refunding it). Also has the developer themselves actually called this a "fallout successor"?

 

[Taka-Haradin puolipeikko]

Also has the developer themselves actually called this a "fallout successor"?

"Fallout-inspired" are first words on Steam blurb.

 

[gerey]

What happens if an "N" person goes into the female bathroom?

 

[Shin]

What happens if an "N" person goes into the female bathroom?

Well, if it's the 60's or earlier, someone will call the police...

 

[JarlFrank]

Remove the dice animation, hide skill tags and SW still functions as intended - your success or failure being dependant on the character model you built by defining your strengths and weaknesses.

Is it removable through the options menu? I do hope so.

 

[The_Sloth_Sleeps]

It actually reminds me of Underrail a bit. A lot of the elements that I appreciate in an RPG are present here.
Something is not quite right here though - this doesn't feel it has the sense of honesty or genuineness.
Rather its very "try hard" in style, and as some have (quite rightly) detected some "wokeish" vibes.
Perhaps this may also be down to the developer trying to increase appeal across multiple genres, and demographics.
All of that makes me uncomfortable to proceed with purchasing it.

 

[lukaszek]

If maxed out character loses the roll, then the alternative roll needs to be a lot easier because it's dependent on stats that the character invested 0 points into. This can easily descend either into the unsurmountable roadblock or something silly.

are there fake rolls like in disco, that are lost even on natural 20?

 

[luj1]

We get a proper Fallout spiritual successor

Based on what?

its Underrail spiritual successor if anything

but with a lot less content