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[Jasede]

I do not believe they are calling for a nazi utopia. I know for one that LS values genius far too much for that.

 

[Trash]

Get real Jasede. LS is the poster child for repressed homosexuality. Something the nazi party was funnily enough filled to the brim with. You know what happens to the deviants when people like that get their grubby little paws on some power, now don't you?

 

[FrancoTAU]

I do not believe they are calling for a nazi utopia. I know for one that LS values genius far too much for that.

Basically, you long for a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" society?

EDIT - Sorry Trash, not directed at you.

 

[Trash]

Who?

Argh, nevermind. Too much alcohol, too little sense.

 

[obediah]

I do not believe they are calling for a nazi utopia. I know for one that LS values genius far too much for that.

You would have a somewhat different laundry list of "bad" elements in society, but the same hate and fear driving it, and similar results. So of course you would have nothing to worry about at first, toe the line, wear your pin and watch crime go down. The line would move as the chance of revolt went down and soon having a fancy brain and enjoying the opera won't be enough to make up for looking at fox-man porn and crying while playing KoToR II.

At every scale of biology, chemistry, physics, and the mushy people "sciences" you get something more impressive and beautiful when individual components work together for the benefit of all. This higher state is always complex and fragile, and there are always people trying to tear it down to gain some advantage - whether it be some black kid stealing KC's bike or some nutty white guy itching to LARP Fallout, or a nation of people looking at their neighbors resources.

 

[rpgcodexusername]

talking of repression go back and read cleve's posts.....

nearly every post has graphic descriptions of homosexual acts.. even when the topic is not homosexuality!

ejaculators,goo-guzzlers,invaders giving us an ass reaming, keyes is owning that guy 'balls deep'


nearly every fucking post has an allusion to gay acts.. amazing

 

[Jasede]

I long for a society were people are judged by what they do, not who they are. I do not believe in hedonism, but I do believe that privacy is a sacred thing.

What -is- the trouble with a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" society? It is nobody's business what someone does in his bedroom, or with who. Unless his actions cause a detriment to society. I do believe this to be the case with some extreme homosexuals - pride parades and the like meet my disdain. Sexual orientation is a part of you, but nothing to be proud of. Being one way or another doesn't make you special - what you do and who you are, that is what counts.

I have always believed in granting individuals as much freedom as needed and as little as possible. I see no harm in deviancy if it does not affect your performance. The danger lies in deviants that impact society negatively. I believe sexual matters are far too "open" these days. But then again, I might just be pseudo-nostalgic. Pseudo because I'm not old enough to really be nostalgic.

Edit: obediah-

Do colour me naive - I am, God knows I am! - but I don't think it's anyone's goal to have a society like that. I think what LS and Cleve want is to fight what LS often seems to relate with "matriarchy" - that is, the effiminization of society and a return to more traditional moral values. I always assumed they would move to a society like that without extreme measures or bloodshed - after all, in their theory, the deviancies should be reduced on their own once the population has reached a "healthy" moral level again, with patriarchical and traditional family values. Surely mankind has developed far enough not to return to the barbarism of the 3rd Reich?

Do correct me if I misunderstand, LS, Cleve.

 

[Trash]

I long for a society were people are judged by what they do, not who they are. I do not believe in hedonism, but I do believe that privacy is a sacred thing.

Aren't your acts the most prominint advocate of who you really are?

I have always believed in granting individuals as much freedom as needed and as little as possible. I see no harm in deviancy if it does not affect your performance. The danger lies in deviants that impact society negatively. I believe sexual matters are far too "open" these days. But then again, I might just be pseudo-nostalgic. Pseudo because I'm not old enough to really be nostalgic.

Really? All I see is the return of puritan values everywhere with a nice dose of government controll infiltrating my life. The days you describe might have been the end of the 60's and the start of the 70's, but nowadays?

Do colour me naive - I am, God knows I am! - but I don't think it's anyone's goal to have a society like that. I think what LS and Cleve want is to fight what LS often seems to relate with "matriarchy" - that is, the effiminization of society and a return to more traditional moral values. I always assumed they would move to a society like that without extreme measures or bloodshed - after all, in their theory, the deviancies should be reduced on their own once the population has reached a "healthy" moral level again, with patriarchical and traditional family values.

Well, it never hurts to help that return to more traditional values a little by removing those that don't fit into the picture now does it? Since when have people with extremist values like them exhibited reason and self controll when they came to power?

Surely mankind has developed far enough not to return to the barbarism of the 3rd Reich?

Oh no, not this. Look at the news, see how often we have and still are commiting atrocities and genocide to one another and then realise we still are that snarling monkey killing for grubs.

 

[Jasede]

I have trouble responding because I can not find a flaw in what you said.

You are quite right, you are what you do. I phrased poorly. "I'd like it if people were judged on their acts, and not on the attributes you give to the category they may fit into.".

Your second point - well. In Germany at least, sexuality is incredibly free. There's no more perceived immorality in sex before marriage, for example [I write this neutrally, as an observation]. Not as bad as what I heard from America though - but not being American I am in no position to judge; though I did hear adventurous tales of teenagers giving each other blow jobs in the halls of public schools. Also, I do think there's too much hedonism associated with sex these days - what should be something I naively call marvelous has become something done mostly for pleasure, with little to no meaning attached - very unsatisfying. Again, that is just from what I have learned from my surroundings [liberal university]. I think the puritan values you mention are something US-specific, and rooted in, well, the history of the US, re-emergent.

Your third point I can't refute.

Your fourth... well. I wish it weren't so; but I do think that one day, we might evolve to be clever enough to stop killing each other.

 

[Trash]

You are quite right, you are what you do. I phrased poorly. "I'd like it if people were judged on their acts, and not on the attributes you give to the category they may fit into.".

Just human nature though. Remember, to be able to judge someone for real you'd have to actually learn to know them. Something that almost everybody won't trouble themselves with, it's much easier to just go by the stereotypes.

Your second point - well. In Germany at least, sexuality is incredibly free. There's no more perceived immorality in sex before marriage, for example [I write this neutrally, as an observation]. Not as bad as what I heard from America though - but not being American I am in no position to judge; though I did hear adventurous tales of teenagers giving each other blow jobs in the halls of public schools. Also, I do think there's too much hedonism associated with sex these days - what should be something I naively call marvelous has become something done mostly for pleasure, with little to no meaning attached - very unsatisfying. Again, that is just from what I have learned from my surroundings [liberal university]. I think the puritan values you mention are something US-specific, and rooted in, well, the history of the US, re-emergent.

Well, I'm from the Netherlands. You know, that peadophile filled drug paradise where everybody's ball deep into one another or too stoned to care? Well, these days they crack down on the red light district in Amsterdam, we got a party in congress that wants to ban pop music as being the spawn of satan and after decades of freely available weed and a sexual revolution, most kids lose their virginity when they're 18 and well into their first serious relationship. Really, you have to go and look for hedonism to be shocked at it. That might just be a cultural thing though.

Your fourth... well. I wish it weren't so; but I do think that one day, we might evolve to be clever enough to stop killing each other.

Perhaps one day. Though we'll probably just wipe ourselves out before that and give the roaches a chance.

 

[Higher Game]

I long for a society were people are judged by what they do, not who they are. I do not believe in hedonism, but I do believe that privacy is a sacred thing.

To some degree, who people are determines what they do. There's always some overlap, with determinism and free will.

What -is- the trouble with a "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" society? It is nobody's business what someone does in his bedroom, or with who. Unless his actions cause a detriment to society. I do believe this to be the case with some extreme homosexuals - pride parades and the like meet my disdain. Sexual orientation is a part of you, but nothing to be proud of. Being one way or another doesn't make you special - what you do and who you are, that is what counts.

In healthier times, plenty of "bachelors" were quiet about their sex lives, and no one cared to pry into them. It served society well. Witch hunts are reactionary and a sign that decline has already set in deep. It usually doesn't end well.

I have always believed in granting individuals as much freedom as needed and as little as possible. I see no harm in deviancy if it does not affect your performance. The danger lies in deviants that impact society negatively. I believe sexual matters are far too "open" these days. But then again, I might just be pseudo-nostalgic. Pseudo because I'm not old enough to really be nostalgic.

Lots of people have a love for old music (hell, and RPGs) from before their times. It's not nostalgia, which means remembering only the good stuff. It's simply having good taste, which is timeless. Some deviancy, like breaking away from orthodox counterpoint in music, can be a good thing.

Do colour me naive - I am, God knows I am! - but I don't think it's anyone's goal to have a society like that. I think what LS and Cleve want is to fight what LS often seems to relate with "matriarchy" - that is, the effiminization of society and a return to more traditional moral values. I always assumed they would move to a society like that without extreme measures or bloodshed - after all, in their theory, the deviancies should be reduced on their own once the population has reached a "healthy" moral level again, with patriarchical and traditional family values. Surely mankind has developed far enough not to return to the barbarism of the 3rd Reich?

Mark Twain famously said you can't reason someone out of a position they didn't reason themselves into. In that situation, force, a masculine concept, is needed, either internal or external. It's self-evident that Western civilization is in bad shape, and will either change primarily based on how we deal with it (good) or how the rest of the world (read: Asia) decides what to do with us (bad).

I disagree with much of Our Civilization, though. Instead of a fear of pleasure, I think that men enjoy pleasure (active) while women prefer safety and comfort (passive). Hedonism usually applies to taking comfort too far, not pleasure.

 

[FrancoTAU]

Less serious talk, more crazy rants.

 

[Trash]

Ok, I'll try.

Deep down I have this wierd desire to wait for the apocalypse on some mountain, then spend countless years trekking through the wastes slowlty making my way towards ustralia to find Steve and test my mettle once and for all. Once I find his super bunker and prepare myself to confront him I'll find out that in the immediate days after the apocalypse his neigbours banded together to kill the lunatic and take his stuff. In the end my little oddysee will be for nought, though they'll tell me that he tasted great with some pepper sauce and his succulent flesh fed their family's for months. I dream of stuff like this at night, I swear.

 

[Jasede]

What was the name of this terribly emo post-apoc adventure game, freeware? Desert rose or something, I do not recall. It had a bunker too and Trash's post reminded me of it.

 

[Trash]

Shit, I actually played that. Can't recall the name for the love of god, but nice to know that even in a drunken stupor I'm still able to plagiarise.

 

[Jasede]

I found it: Last Rose in a Desert Garden.
http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/?page_id=11

 

[Gnidrologist]

Jasede, you can't have your 'yin' without your 'yan'. The world is a bipolar thing. There wil never be time, when people would completely stop wasting each other, equally there wont be times, where all is evil and dark, without a beam of light in prospect. Diametrically opposite things coexist perfectly. There is no way around that.

As for you symphaties for the local wannabe ubermensches - it's pathetic. Get a grip, ya fag.

 

[Hory]

You know Cleve, maybe you're right, but maybe the "end" won't come soon enough for you to "benefit" from having invested so much time and resources into future safety. You've been at it for at least 10 years (?), and nothing major happened. You could have spent the money and time in a lot of more interesting ways.

Are you planning for another decade or two of worrying? Even if something does eventually happen, I think you're still happier in this "downward spiraling western society" than as a cautious old man surviving in a savage world. Put all that effort into saving it, I say. I can't imagine being satisfied in a barbaric world, after having tasted freedom, rights, technology and so on.

 

[TheLostOne]

I found it: Last Rose in a Desert Garden.
http://www.jonas-kyratzes.net/?page_id=11

Wow. What a shitty way to spend 20 minutes.

 

[spacemoose]

It's self-destructive of me to agree; maybe I cling to the thought that in a better world you seem to envision, there'd be a place for me as long as I keep to myself and am reasonably productive.

nonsense - cleve's ideas are just so strong and virile there'd have to be something wrong with you not to want to book a flight to australia right this minute

 

[Lyric Suite]

Do correct me if I misunderstand, LS, Cleve.

Can't talk on Cleve's behalf. He seems more angry cuntish then necessary, but maybe he's doing it for the lulz (for the record, i haven't actually read the thread. When i jumped in i just wanted to play devil's advocate for my own personal amusement).

From my part, i don't have a particular problem with homosexuality per-se, though like most heterosexual males i find the act repugnant (much like you seem to find heterosexual sex repugnant, at least from what i gathered by following your comments).

It is unclear to me that whether the general antipathy towards homosexuality in the west derives from psychology alone and it isn't correlated to the Bible, following this verse:

And if a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them

Lev., c. 20, v. 13.

Notice here that death is also the punishment for incest, bestiality and infidelity. Of course, since more then 80% of the laws and observances dictated in the Torah aren't really observed anymore, it's significant that this one was kept around.

If it is based on psychology, then i for one cannot account for it, and my feelings in this regard aren't probably that dissimilar from your own: homosexuality should be a private matter, like all forms of sexuality (hetero included), and it should be kept out of the consciousness of society, which includes keeping it out of the family (regrettably).

On the margin of society, behind closed doors (to quote Dave Sim), you can pretty much do whatever the fuck you want, including raping (homosexual) goats if that strikes your fancy.

I do not wish to oppress homosexuals. I do not wish to ban the act by penalty of death, nor try to "cure" it.

That said, i cannot guarantee that others may not want to do just that. In the world i envision (which will eventually occur, if you read Sex in History, which i urge you to do, you'll know why), your sexual inclination may be object of unfavorable social reception, though i for one doubt it will ever become any where near as bad as it was during the Victorian age, and that wasn't nearly as bad as anyone think (for one, the death penalty was revoked in 1830). Unless of course the west succumbs to Islam. Then you are pretty much fucked.

 

[Futile Rhetoric]

I was going to address some of Cleve's batshit insane, paranoid, nigh-incoherent ramblings, but then I came across this little nugget:

Yet America for the prior 150 years was reknowned throughout the globe for the virtue, honesty and moral discipline and restraint of it's inhabitants.
...
This is the same nation which was once fabled to have the grandest public education system in the history of mankind and the most intelligent, well informed and literate population ever.

...and so instead, I will say this one thing, one word even, which applies in equal measure to many, if not all of your posts --

What?

P.S. I feel sorry for your children honey, I really do. I just hope that in a decade or so, when your morbid obesity finally catches up with you and your heart (that overworked chunk of fat-glased muscle you call a heart) finally skips a beat and stops forever, in your silly little bunker, waiting for that nookyular war which never comes -- the damage undoubtedly done in their oh-so-fragile formative years will not preclude your progeny from living normal, productive, happy lives, free of their loving father's (how loving? perhaps too loving -- after all, what happens in the bunker stays in the bunker does it not?) but ultimately damaging, insane, paranoid influence -- and that they step outside that bunker, and realise that no one is out to get them, that there are no barbarians at the gate, much less slant-eyed ones with nookyular weapons, and as they leave the fetid recycled atmosphere, not just of that bunker but also, perhaps even foremost, their mad father's overbearing paranoia, what kind of people will they be? I feel for them, Cleve. I weep for them.

 

[Lyric Suite]

I disagree with much of Our Civilization, though. Instead of a fear of pleasure, I think that men enjoy pleasure (active) while women prefer safety and comfort (passive). Hedonism usually applies to taking comfort too far, not pleasure.

Don't forget that the dichotomy between patrist and matrist is based on an absolute which doesn't exist in reality. Most men (in the book, Taylor specifies his study concerns males alone. Women aren't taken into account) stand between those two ideals.

That said, men are most definitively ascetic in nature compared to women, who are almost 100% hedonistic. This doesn't mean men don't like pleasure but the difference is considerable.

Of course, there are other ways to achieve contentment other then what's directly pleasurable. Most of us here do exactly that when we reject catchy pop songs or games with addicting but brainless gameplay (Diablo, shooters in general) in order to attain "higher" forms of experience.

 

[MisterStone]

As a former atheist, I have to say the ones that shock me the most are the atheists. They, more than any others, should recognize the lawlessness of a universe without a God. But they don't. They stink at atheism, too. They just plain stink at thinking, period. All of them are alike in feeling sort of warm and fuzzy and secure no matter what happens. Sort of like a newborn kitten nuzzling against her mother's breast with her littermates, believing the whole cosmos is like this, an eternal warm secure place, right before the owner pushes her into a burlap bag and throws her into a river as surplus.

Most people are able to make the transition from a happy childhood to adulthood without becoming a bitter, raving paranoid fucktard. The point being, you fail at growing up.

 

[spacemoose]

I know I'm not alone in this when I say that a single thread is not enough to contain cleve's genius. what we need is a subforum - "cleve's command" where us overmen and intellectual titans can coordinate the rebirth of western civilization after the inevitable gaypocalypse

also plz. make sure that the known gays (jasede, timur, nedrah, elhoim, koby) cannot post there, lest they contaminate our youth.

other degenerates - kc, sheek, chefe, should be able to post, with a suitable symbol to alert the superfriends to their status. maybe a star of some sort