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[spacemoose]

bunkers are cool in and of themselves. I wish I had a bunker

 

[Shagnak]

I don't.
I intend to meet the impending apocalypse like a gentleman meeting his floosy on a summers day. Top-hat affixed, a bourbon in one hand and a sun brolly in the other.

Like that Australian movie...oh fuck icant rememberthenameofit

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I don't.
I intend to meet the impending apocalypse like a gentleman meeting his floosy on a summers day. Top-hat affixed, a bourbon in one hand and a sun brolly in the other.

Like that Australian movie...oh fuck icant rememberthenameofit

A glamorous image to be sure. After five months of starvation or dying slowly from radiation sickness over a year, things could look a whole lot different.

That whole entitlement psychology just escapes me, but it's all Amerikwan. More like spoiled children than anything else.

I heard in a recent rice riot at Costco, some 'kwans were yelling "Where's our rice! How dare management charge this much! We should be getting it first before any of those third worlders! This is America, people!"

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

So when do you think this nuclear war is coming? In five years? Ten? Twenty? How long are you going to keep your kids believing their dad is building a bunker for their safety and not simply because he is a bitter old dumbfuck?

Except I don't sound like a bitter dumbfuck, you do. In fact, calling somebody a bitter old dumbfuck makes you sound like an extremely bitter old dumbfuck. You really seem to be interested in my kids an awful lot for a stranger. Are you willing to reveal your browser history? Do you worry a lot about other people's kids, too? To the point of taking cellphones pictures of them and posting them on the internet? Do you also creep through shrubbery outside of daycare centers because you're so worried about other people's children? Do you feel strong impulsive desires to abduct other people's children and take them someplace remote where you can keep them safe and concealed inside a hidden room in a log cabin?

Strange how I'm not really interested in your kids at all. Besides, if I want to know what they are like I can just rent that movie "KIDS" and see for myself.

With Amerikwans, you get the psychoanalysis for free! Remember, the world is screwed up and Amerikwans are just the people to fix it! Everybody else has serious problems and they know how to intervene!

You better worry about keeping your own house in order.

Assuming the Olympics go off in Beijing this year (I'm still not sure they will) then you should know China says it will be taking Taiwan back before 2012 and is planning their unity celebrations to that effect in 2015. But by all means, you just keep watching TV and eating Whoppers. I'm sure all that trouble is going to "blow right over" at some point soon.

P.S. If China lost 300 million people in World War III, it would not notice because that is the rounding error in recent census summaries. If Amerikwa lost 300 million people that would be the total population of the nation down to the last man, woman and child. China would yawn and rebuild. Amerikwans would be colorful charcoal bird feeders and within a very short time, they would pass completely out of living memory as though they had never existed at all.

 

[Cthulhugoat]

I don't.
I intend to meet the impending apocalypse like a gentleman meeting his floosy on a summers day. Top-hat affixed, a bourbon in one hand and a sun brolly in the other.

Like that Australian movie...oh fuck icant rememberthenameofit

On the beach? Hmm, not australian maybe.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I don't.
I intend to meet the impending apocalypse like a gentleman meeting his floosy on a summers day. Top-hat affixed, a bourbon in one hand and a sun brolly in the other.

Like that Australian movie...oh fuck icant rememberthenameofit

On the beach? Hmm, not australian maybe.

The author, Nevil Shute, said he wrote this science fantasy because he wanted to portray the horrors of nuclear war. He never explained why he had to write a science fantasy to portray the horrors of a science reality.

The original was stupid and the science in it was aimed at the intellect of an 8 year old. That thing was Citizen Kane compared to the recent television remake, which was clearly geared for an audience that had lost at least ten IQ points on average since the first film was released. I liked how the guy got a tear in his suit in the TV version and the radiation germs got in. People who do not see what is wrong with this stuff are the reason they invented the Neutron Bomb in the first place.

 

[Shagnak]

A glamorous image to be sure. After five months of starvation or dying slowly from radiation sickness over a year, things could look a whole lot different.

Actually, the image I was thinking of was of my innards being instantly poached by the radiation from "nuclear tipped cruise missiles as thick as the arrows fired by the Persians", and a few seconds later my disentegrated remains being swept away by super heated wind.
If I time it right I'll be able to raise my glass high and salute my death, slap the arse of my concubine as she gulps down the last wad she'll ever taste, and then ride the winds to...oh, I dont know...maybe Chile.
Oh, it will be heaven. Oops, I mean hevan. :multi headed:

 

[dagorkan]

So when do you think this nuclear war is coming? In five years? Ten? Twenty? How long are you going to keep your kids believing their dad is building a bunker for their safety and not simply because he is a bitter old dumbfuck?

Except I don't sound like a bitter dumbfuck, you do. In fact, calling somebody a bitter old dumbfuck makes you sound like an extremely bitter old dumbfuck. You really seem to be interested in my kids an awful lot for a stranger. Are you willing to reveal your browser history? Do you worry a lot about other people's kids, too? To the point of taking cellphones pictures of them and posting them on the internet? Do you also creep through shrubbery outside of daycare centers because you're so worried about other people's children? Do you feel strong impulsive desires to abduct other people's children and take them someplace remote where you can keep them safe and concealed inside a hidden room in a log cabin?

Strange how I'm not really interested in your kids at all. Besides, if I want to know what they are like I can just rent that movie "KIDS" and see for myself.

With Amerikwans, you get the psychoanalysis for free! Remember, the world is screwed up and Amerikwans are just the people to fix it! Everybody else has serious problems and they know how to intervene!

Funny thing is I never tried to psychoanalyze you... but you just tried to psychoanalyze me right now. So who is the typical Kwan? You or me?

Still dodging questions I see.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

A glamorous image to be sure. After five months of starvation or dying slowly from radiation sickness over a year, things could look a whole lot different.

Actually, the image I was thinking of was of my innards being instantly poached by the radiation from "nuclear tipped cruise missiles as thick as the arrows fired by the Persians", and a few seconds later my disentegrated remains being swept away by super heated wind.
If I time it right I'll be able to raise my glass high and salute my death, slap the arse of my concubine as she gulps down the last wad she'll ever taste, and then ride the winds to...oh, I dont know...maybe Chile.
Oh, it will be heaven. Oops, I mean hevan. :multi headed:

No children, of course. A wise decision.

 

[Shagnak]

I don't.
I intend to meet the impending apocalypse like a gentleman meeting his floosy on a summers day. Top-hat affixed, a bourbon in one hand and a sun brolly in the other.

Like that Australian movie...oh fuck icant rememberthenameofit

On the beach? Hmm, not australian maybe.

It was some movie where a bunch of losers threw a party when they knew WWIII was under way. Lots of drunken debauchery. In the end a couple of them sit on deck chairs sip cocktails, and get swept away by the nuclear blast.

I seem to remember it being full of Australian actors, but who knows, I may be getting mixed up. It was during my more excessive years.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

A glamorous image to be sure. After five months of starvation or dying slowly from radiation sickness over a year, things could look a whole lot different.

Actually, the image I was thinking of was of my innards being instantly poached by the radiation from "nuclear tipped cruise missiles as thick as the arrows fired by the Persians", and a few seconds later my disentegrated remains being swept away by super heated wind.
If I time it right I'll be able to raise my glass high and salute my death, slap the arse of my concubine as she gulps down the last wad she'll ever taste, and then ride the winds to...oh, I dont know...maybe Chile.
Oh, it will be heaven. Oops, I mean hevan. :multi headed:

No children, of course. A wise decision.

I forgot to mention it because I got sick after saying it on the Internet for the 7000th time, but only about 10% of the population will die as a result of blast effects. Another 50% will die of fallout and most of the remainder will die of hunger and disease. This has consistently been in every single estimate of casualties from a nuclear attack on America going back to the late 1940's.

You will really be disappointed to wake up the day after and realize the "Apocalypse" was not the nice clean euthanasia you had been promised when the U.S. government dismantled the civil defense program.

Likely that evening you will feel sunburned and nauseous. If you were close enough to see the blast go off, it's likely over the coming two weeks you will die in the most excruciatingly painful way imaginable. You're still luckier than the rest of the population when the coming winter hits.

You will probably try drinking Benadine Iodine like the rocket scientists in JERICHO, then spend the night in the cellar and expect the following morning to come out and sweep up like they did in that series. Should all be okay after the first rainstorm washes away the nukleer radiatin' germs and whatnot.

That's the part where your asshole becomes a mystery magical fountain of blood and pus. It's just the first stage though, the next round will actually see your intestines themselves slough off on an hourly basis through that departure point. Lucky you, those who survive the first month are the ones who will endure the worst.

There is a reason that all these details have been kept from you over the years and that reason is the government is afraid it could affect your revenue harvesting if you knew what sort of world it is you live in and just how utterly your government abandoned both you and all their responsibilities as leaders.

 

[Soulforged]

I know you probably think like Nancy Pelosi that I'm no better informed than you. You probably think it doesn't matter if you fake it, because everybody else is also faking it.

Are you reading my posts at all Mr. Blakemore? I have heard and read some pretty ridiculous and disturbing things about you, so far I've kept my opinions to myself and played the ball. Read again my whole post please and you'll notice how somwhere in there I say this exactly: "the little you know, though you know more than me", this doesn't mean that I praise some higher knowledge you might or might not have, it's just a confession that I don't know as much about history to maintain a discussion on the level that you're trying to carry it.

I think that the real difference between you and I (as with everybody else) is my Aspergers.

How do you know I don't have Aspergers? You're a quick to make assumptions, but it's true I don't...

Try as you might, you will never be able to develop a perspective outside the consensus. You can't.

You might be surprised about that...

In a world where there is nobody left who can read, anybody can insist that history is unknowable. As long as there isn't one person left who can read.

What about historians Mr. Blakemore, journalists, scientists, writers, do they reach your reading quota?

I'll do a brief rebutal of everyone you presented in this list, remember I said that no author wrote about the average man in that time, that'll be my critiria to dismiss your proofs.

Ammianus Marcellinus (330 - 391 AD) - Wrote about the history of the Empire.
Appian (90 - 160 AD) - Accounts of VIPs of his time.
Apuleius (Lucius Apuleius) (125 - 171 AD) - Philosopher
Arrian (Flavius Arrianus) (96 - 180 AD) - A recount of Alexander's life.
Athenaeus (Athenaeus of Naucratis) (ca. AD 200) - Philosopher
Caesar (100 - 44 BC) - War and history.
Cato the Elder (Marcus Porcius Cato) (234 - 149 BC) - Critiques and philosophy.
Catullus (87 - 54 BC) - Poet.
Cicero (Marcus Tullius Cicero) (106 - 43 BC) - Lawyer and philosopher. Wrote mostly about philosophy.
Columella (Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella) (1st cent. A.D.) - On roman agriculture.
Dio Cassius (Cassius Dio Cocceianus) (155 - 235? AD) - Roman history.
Dio Chrysostom (Dio Cocceianus Chrysostomus) (ca40 - 120 AD) - Sophist. You know that sophists are politicians by execellence, so: politics.
Diodorus Siculus (90 - 21 BC) - History.
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (60/55 - 7 BC) - History of the Roman Empire.
Eusebius (260 - 339 AD) - Religious criticism.
Eutropius (Flavius Eutropius) (4th century AD) - History.
Florus (Lucius Annaeus Florus) (during reign of Hadrian) - Panegerycs on the Roman greatness.
Frontinus (Sextus Julius Frontinus) (40 - 104 AD) - Architecture and military.
Fronto (Marcus Cornelius Fronto) (100 - 167 AD) - Gramatics.
Galen (Claudius Galen) (129 - 199 AD) - Medicine.
Gellius (Aulus Gellius) (123 - 169 AD) - A compilation on this: grammar, geometry, philosophy, history.
Herodian (170 - 240 AD) - History of the Empire.
Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus) (65 - 8 BC) - Poets.
Josephus (37 - 100 AD) - History and biography.
Julian the Apostate (Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus) (331 - 363 AD) - Comic works, panegerycs and poetry.
Juvenal (Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis) (47 - 130 AD) - Poet.
Livy (Titus Livius) (59 BC - 17 AD) - History and politics.
Lucan (Marcus Annaeus Lucanus) (39 - 65 AD) - History.
Lucian (120 - 180 AD) - Philosophy.
Lucretius (Titus Lucretius Carus) (99 - 55 BC) - Poetry.
Marcus Aurelius (Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus) (121 - 180 AD) - Philosophy.
Martialis (Marcus Valerius Martialis) (38/41 - 100 AD ) - The closest one, but brief and only of his period. He wrote epigrams on the daily lives of the romans, more for the poetic value of it.
Nepos (Cornelius Nepos) (99 - 24 BC) - Biographer.
Origen (Origenes Adamantius) (185 - 254 AD) - Exegetical works.
Ovid (Publius Ovidius Naso) (43 BC - 17 AD) - Poetry.
Pausanias (2nd Century AD) - Geography.
Petronius (Petronius Arbiter) (27 BC - 66 AD) - Drama and comedy.
Philo (20 BC - 45 AD) - Philosophy.
Pliny the Elder (Gaius Plinius Secundus) (23 - 79 AD) - Naturalist and phylosopher.
Pliny the Younger (Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus) (62 - 113 AD) - Personal letters and descriptions of the Trajans.
Plutarch (50 - 125 AD) - Historian and recounter of famous lives.
Polybius (200 - 123 BC) - History.
Quintilian (Marcus Fabius Quintilianus) (35 - 100 AD) - Rhetoric.
Sallust (Gaius Sallustius Crispus) (86 - 34 BC) - History.
Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca) (4 BC - 65 AD) - Philosophy.
Seneca the Elder (Seneca the Elder) (ca.55 Bc- ca.Ad 40) - Philosophy.
Sextus Propertius (50 BC - 2 BC) - Poetry.
Strabo (66 BC - 24 AD) - History, geography and philosophy.
Suetonius (Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus) (75 - 150 AD) - Life of the caesars.
Tacitus (Publius Cornelius Tacitus) (55 - 120 AD) - History.
Tertullian (Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus) (160 - 230 AD) - Theology.
Valerius Maximus (Valerius Maximus) (c.20 BC-c.AD 50) - Nine Books of Memorable Deeds and Sayings
Varro (Marcus Terrentius Varro) (116 - 27 BC) - Language and agriculpture.
Vegetius (Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus) (c. 400 AD) - Military and medicine.
Velleius (Velleius Paterculus) (20 BC - 30 AD) - History
Virgil (Publius Vergilius Maro) (70 - 19 BC) - Poetry.
Vitruvius (Marcus Vitruvius Pollio) (c. late 1st cent BC and 1st cent. AD) - Technology.

When I write history I mean the big one, the history of a civilization or the world, not the daily life of the people. The poetry is the thing that most closely approaches what I'm talking about, but then again you can't trust to find objectivity inside metaphores and rhetoric.

As you see none in that long list serves any purpose. Again, what you're doing is extrapolation.

A small sampling of authors who wrote in enormous detail about the past. They also wrote far better than most modern authors as well and they read better even in translation, most of them. There is only one non-Roman author I have ever read who reads better in translation than native authors read in English. Friedrich Nietzsche.

Wheter they wrote better or not is purely subjective, they were more pompous in their writing and respected many rituals, which in my eyes only makes their texts dull and boring generally.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I know you probably think like Nancy Pelosi that I'm no better informed than you. You probably think it doesn't matter if you fake it, because everybody else is also faking it.

Are you reading my posts at all Mr. Blakemore? I have heard and read some pretty ridiculous and disturbing things about you, so far I've kept my opinions to myself and played the ball. Read again my whole post please and you'll notice how somwhere in there I say this exactly: "the little you know, though you know more than me", this doesn't mean that I praise some higher knowledge you might or might not have, it's just a confession that I don't know as much about history to maintain a discussion on the level that you're trying to carry it.

I think that the real difference between you and I (as with everybody else) is my Aspergers.

How do you know I don't have Aspergers? You're a quick to make assumptions, but it's true I don't...

Try as you might, you will never be able to develop a perspective outside the consensus. You can't.

You might be surprised about that...

You don't know that every word from your mouth is a dead giveaway. You unconsciously refer back to the group consensus in nearly every other word. You have a mental image of yourself you carry in your head that is generated by an organic component in your brain that is designed to fool you. That's it's purpose. Until that whispering voice that you cannot even hear is destroyed, you will never know anything about the world outside except what it tells you.

Even if you desperately wanted to breach that cage, you don't realize that nature has drawn a line of circumference around your brain which is it's imposed limit no matter how much you might want to believe otherwise.

To describe it succinctly, you are cut off from reality by nature of the very design of your brain. When you think you have awakened, in fact you are experiencing that circumstance during dreams when one is deceived into thinking by one's mind that you are awake when in fact you still remain asleep.

The person who first described Asperger's said that it was his conclusion after long study of the condition that without some Asperger's traits, any success or distinction in the sciences, engineering or arts was virtually impossible. Basically, reality will always be shadows on the cave wall inside the mind of a neurotypical person.

Sorry, but it's true.

This is one of the reasons I am always sarcastic and will not devote much time to elaborating on most of my ideas. Once you reach my age you would realize that ordinary minds are outside of all arguments, period, no matter how good they are. Trying to reason with ordinary people is a waste of time.

Do you have any idea how many times I have patiently answered the same kinds of banal, insipid, childlike questions that many people on this forum have asked? Do you think you might get jaded after the first 100 times? What about the first 1000? I bet after the first 10,000 times, you would write and speak much the same way I do.

Needless to say, the reason I believe in decline cycles is that I have never heard a better theory that explains what we see in history. If I ever did I'd contemplate it because it might be time to abandon decline theory as an explanatory idea if it does not fit the facts as well as the new theory. I've got Asperger's, I do that all the time.

Alas, ordinary people never can, not if they wanted to with all their hearts. They can't.

I understand them so well they think it's a contest. They think everything is a contest. If they understood what was really being talked about they would hardly want Asperger's. Better to sleep forever without ever waking up.

Ordinary men and women want sex, power and dominance. They don't care about anything else and when they pretend to, that is just another route to sex, power and dominance. There is only one kind of obscure weirdo on the planet interested in the truth for it's own sake and that is people with the genetic (in my case chemical) mutation called Asperger's Autism.

 

[abstract]

Guys, you do realize that Cleve will never have time to finish Grimoire if he has to keep on replying to the posts in this thread? Stop posting, for the good of old-school crpgs

 

[Riso]

Marcus Aurelius (Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus) (121 - 180 AD) - Philosophy.

He wrote the ultimate work on stoic philosophy actually.

 

[DefJam101]

Look, the Codex is a place of intelligent people.

Stop the ridiculous tiny-replies and take Cleve's arguments apart if they're so false!

You people make fun of him, but hardly any one has actually made an effort to disprove him seriously.

Why bother if his replies are like the following?:

You don't know that every word from your mouth is a dead giveaway. You unconsciously refer back to the group consensus in nearly every other word. You have a mental image of yourself you carry in your head that is generated by an organic component in your brain that is designed to fool you. That's it's purpose. Until that whispering voice that you cannot even hear is destroyed, you will never know anything about the world outside except what it tells you.

Even if you desperately wanted to breach that cage, you don't realize that nature has drawn a line of circumference around your brain which is it's imposed limit no matter how much you might want to believe otherwise.

To describe it succinctly, you are cut off from reality by nature of the very design of your brain. When you think you have awakened, in fact you are experiencing that circumstance during dreams when one is deceived into thinking by one's mind that you are awake when in fact you still remain asleep.

The person who first described Asperger's said that it was his conclusion after long study of the condition that without some Asperger's traits, any success or distinction in the sciences, engineering or arts was virtually impossible. Basically, reality will always be shadows on the cave wall inside the mind of a neurotypical person.

Sorry, but it's true.

This is one of the reasons I am always sarcastic and will not devote much time to elaborating on most of my ideas. Once you reach my age you would realize that ordinary minds are outside of all arguments, period, no matter how good they are. Trying to reason with ordinary people is a waste of time.

Do you have any idea how many times I have patiently answered the same kinds of banal, insipid, childlike questions that many people on this forum have asked? Do you think you might get jaded after the first 100 times? What about the first 1000? I bet after the first 10,000 times, you would write and speak much the same way I do.

Needless to say, the reason I believe in decline cycles is that I have never heard a better theory that explains what we see in history. If I ever did I'd contemplate it because it might be time to abandon decline theory as an explanatory idea if it does not fit the facts as well as the new theory. I've got Asperger's, I do that all the time.

Alas, ordinary people never can, not if they wanted to with all their hearts. They can't.

I understand them so well they think it's a contest. They think everything is a contest. If they understood what was really being talked about they would hardly want Asperger's. Better to sleep forever without ever waking up.

Ordinary men and women want sex, power and dominance. They don't care about anything else and when they pretend to, that is just another route to sex, power and dominance. There is only one kind of obscure weirdo on the planet interested in the truth for it's own sake and that is people with the genetic (in my case chemical) mutation called Asperger's Autism.
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Sometimes I feel sorry for worms that live in compost and have to eat dung all their lives to survive. Then I visit RPGCODEX and remember that it is all relative.

No substance whatsoever. He is actually *correct* on quite a few things, but he makes these massive generalizations in every single point that it is impossible to give him any credit for it. You know he doesn't really understand what he's talking about, he just thinks he is immediately correct about everything because he knows that you are always incorrect.

Honestly, he sounds like a I used to when I was 12: I was always trying to make incredibly simple answers for complex problems, always hoping that I was the one "unique" person out there, and everyone else was *bad*.

There is only one kind of obscure weirdo on the planet interested in the truth for it's own sake and that is people with the genetic (in my case chemical) mutation called Asperger's Autism.

Why bother arguing? He already thinks that he is not only the only person interested in being correct, but also the only one capable of doing so. Anything you say to him is meaningless, at least in his mind; that's what really matters, anyways.



Also, I have 3 friends with Asperger's. Two of them are incredibly intelligent people, one of them is fairly average. They all want to find truth, I want to find truth. We have differing opinions, we get along. None of them seem to have as much hubris as you do. (Or even come close, for that matter.)


You either

A) Have Asperger's. In which case I feel for you, as it can be a frustrating condition. Also, I think you're a hypocritical dumbfuck. I don't discriminate.

B) You don't have Asperger's, and wish you did. In which case you are also a dumbfuck, and a childish one at that. Do some research on the condition and meet some fucking people.



Good luck on the game, I guess. I'd still buy it.

 

[Vagiel]

Ordinary men and women want sex, power and dominance. They don't care about anything else and when they pretend to, that is just another route to sex, power and dominance. There is only one kind of obscure weirdo on the planet interested in the truth for it's own sake and that is people with the genetic (in my case chemical) mutation called Asperger's Autism.

Humans want sex power and dominance in order to satisfy basic instincts of survival and procreation, i do too see it as something petty but i do understand that it is necessary. A seek for a truth that human mind body and senses are not meant to understand is nothing more than futile not because it is unattainable but because it is useless. This form of autism you mention appears very interesting since it is my belief that there are no mental illnesses just states of mind adjusting to its environment so can you give some more info on it.

 

[Soulforged]

Even if you desperately wanted to breach that cage, you don't realize that nature has drawn a line of circumference around your brain which is it's imposed limit no matter how much you might want to believe otherwise.

(...)

The person who first described Asperger's said that it was his conclusion after long study of the condition that without some Asperger's traits, any success or distinction in the sciences, engineering or arts was virtually impossible. Basically, reality will always be shadows on the cave wall inside the mind of a neurotypical person.

Sorry, but it's true.

You're having fun with this right Cleve? This long diatrive and almost monologue of yours about the superiority of non-consensual minds, the ones who think outside the box, which you talk about as if it were more than a pseudo-science. I'll like to recount how many times you've been proved wrong by facts in this and other threads, if that didn't hurt your overconfidence then little me won't be able to do anything about it.

Let me ask you something: If I say that what I've in front of me is a computer and my brother who's next to me says the same, and then a third person comes and says the same, and so on. Would you call that consensus? Is it the fact that I've a computer in front of me consensual? Would you call that entity the "consensual mind". I bet you would. But guess what that consensus is also what creates the objects of our reality, something you say that is hidden from me, but not from you, even after being corrected over and over again about it. You saying that you posses this ability to think outside the consensual and perceive reality outside it is just a subtle way of admitting your derangement and insanity.

But is alright I like insane people, they're creative in many ways and interesting to talk to, insane people can be geniuses. I hope you're, really. I won't continue on this discussion that's probably only amusing you, good luck with your game.

 

[Gnidrologist]

To those who complain about people here not taking Cleve seriously, like Jasede or Jeff Graw.
There is really no point in trying to refute something like this even if the original points were shaped articulate and tidy.
You don't get into siriuss diskushon with a mentally ill person, who throws a poo at you and then makes an in depth essay about why him throwing a piece of turd at your general direction is somehow very thoughtfull and ingenius action, that you are just too dumb to understand the whole inner meanings of that, so ther's not really point even trying to educate you miserable plebs, but never the less, keeping to post angry rants on the particular board.

Oh, and Jasede. If you feel so much about Cleve, why don't you come up with some fucking thoughts from yourself? Don't pretend to be some miserable retard, who is not capable of discussing things. That shit is old and artifficial. You're quite articulate, when things come to some furry/gay matters.

 

[DefJam101]

Except I don't sound like a bitter dumbfuck, you do. In fact, calling somebody a bitter old dumbfuck makes you sound like an extremely bitter old dumbfuck.

It's logic for kids!™

 

[Jasede]

Oh, and Jasede. If you feel so much about Cleve, why don't you come up with some fucking thoughts from yourself? Don't pretend to be some miserable retard, who is not capable of discussing things. That shit is old and artifficial. You're quite articulate, when things come to some furry/gay matters.

I wanted to! I really wanted to, after the discussion went on for a bit.
Then I read Cleve's last post and lost all will to.

 

[xedoc gpr]

Are you people actually spending this much time arguing with this loser?

 

[DefJam101]

Are you people actually spending this much time arguing with this loser?

I've spent 5 minutes arguing and 5 hours watching.



Jeff Graw appears to be nailing people for spewing "ad hominem pot shots" at Cleve.

This is true.


Cleve also appears to be spewing ad hominem pot shots at people.

This is also true.



Shit, that was 10 minutes.

 

[Jeff Graw]

Cleve's ad hominem pot shots are almost always in the context of a larger, rational argument though.

 

[DefJam101]

Cleve's ad hominem pot shots are almost always in the context of a larger, rational argument though.

That is true, but:

- You wonder why he needs to put in ad hominem pot shots if he really believes that his arguments are sufficient. Why even bother? It just makes him look like [more of] an idiot.

- Most of his rational arguments, the lot of which are actually valid concepts (people being ignorant 'tards, trusting the TV, thinking they are hot stuff), are presented in the form of quick generalizations. Not to mention that many of the things he criticizes people for doing, he does himself. I actually agree with him on quite a few points, which is why I have trouble speaking against him.

- Simply because *some* people are spewing pot shots does not mean that no one has responded to his arguments. After all, he is but one man, where as the codex has many people in it. He either argues, or he doesn't. There is only one of him. With the collective "Codex" there might be 80 people watching, 4 people arguing, and 20 spewing ad hominems. Simply because there are 20 people who are spamming ad hominems doesn't immediately negate everything those 4 people say. Their opinion still counts, and should not be ignored simply because of the actions of others.

- The people that did attempt to argue with him quickly lost patience with him for reasons stated above. A wall of excessive self pride and importance is impossible to break over the internet. People have lives, they don't have time to sit here and type responses to someone (potentially) with Asperger's, who doesn't have any real responsibilities in life at the moment. Not to bag on Cleve because he doesn't have a job or anything, but it's not realistic to expect people who *are* thinking rationally to waste their time talking to someone over the INTERNET. Nothing that anyone says carries any real meaning.




This entire thread is a good example of the /facepalm mentality. People get so tired of (Cleve himself is experiencing the same thing, apparently) of supporting their opinion to someone who under no circumstances will EVER change their stance that they just stop supporting it altogether. At this point they either leave, or spam.