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[dagorkan]

Matriarchy.. feminists.. blahblahblah.

You're wrong about women. In fact historically men feminized before women, my theory is that women have become over-feminized by faggot men who shielded them from natural selection/competing with men in the free market. News link

 

[Gnidrologist]

Oooh, that felt good, I mean rimshot that is.

 

[Mojo]

I think Cleve is also a 9-11 Truther which could lead to some more interesting debates.

Yes indeed . Please Mr.Blakemore, share with us your thoughts on 9/11. While you are at it, make sure to comment more on the evil goock empire plans for world destruction ( The "Homo Atomic War") and how the overmen will rise from their vaults to finally claim racial supremacy. You haven't ellaborated well enough on these two aspects of your prophecy.

WE NEED YOUR WISDOM, OVERMAN.

 

[Soulforged]

I'm not sure which one you are referring to.

You got it right, but you missed the part about the Spartans.

(...)Washington and Jefferson(...)

I didn't say whether the Romans were good or evil according to your Francis Fukuyama secular humanist value system. I said that they were virtuous. They were not conflicted. Romans were very scary people in the beginning because they were damn serious at all times, were people of their word and said exactly what they meant. When they said civil servants were obligated to perform all their duties exactly as they were assigned and forbidden to steal so much as a single denarus, they weren't kidding. Romans were so honest they could be trusted with huge sums of money without graft and it goes a long way towards explaining how quickly they built infrastructure at the outset. The money for government went back into roads, buildings, sewage works and water pipes for the people, not the pockets of bureaucrats. By contrast, in the latter days of Rome they taxed their citizens blind and the hoi polloi never saw a dime of that money come back to them, ever.

I wonder how is it that you've such a confident insight on these people, I could accept your reference to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as morally superior beings, since they only lived three centuries ago and records of them might be more accurate and more numerous. But how do you explain the same references back to the romans, not only that, I disagreed with your assertion of them being "morally incorruptible" people, one because you were speaking in general, as if they were morally superior to the rest of the civilizations of their time, and two because, talking about history, you can know a lot of their philosophy, their leaders, their conflicts and wars, their monuments, but pretending to know about the average roman who lived thousands of years ago is a little far fetched, until the XIX century not a single author considered the lives of the common man to be worth the trouble of recording, the main vehicle that carried characters to the books was fascination and marvel, two things that any average person lacks. Unless, of course, you're extrapolating the little you know (though you know more than me) and creating hipotesis for the sake of sustaining your argument for this "Cycle of Decay" and its reasons.

 

[Riso]

Bullshit about Romans.

The Romans were greedy motherfuckers, just like the rest of us. Of course they never took bribes! They received "gifts" and in exchange for those "gifts" they granted "favours".
Proconsuls also plundered their assigned provinces as much as they could. Or how do you think Brutus and Cassius managed to raise that army to fight Octavian and Marc Antony? They squeezed in Syria. Hard. Or why do you think Ceasar wanted governship in Gaul? He was broke as fuck and needed to make money to pay off his nearly unsurmountable debts.
Ultimately Rome just said "we want x money from province y by time z" and didn't care if the governor squeezed out thrice that. So that's what they all did. Squeeze, embezzle, fraud. If you raelly think Romans were that honest, why do you think they saw the need to create an institution like the "Quastor", a glorified bean counter.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Boring thread about some delusional narcissist is boring.

Boring post by a mental clinic outpatient who chooses a little girl for his avatar is boring.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Bullshit about Romans.

The Romans were greedy motherfuckers, just like the rest of us. Of course they never took bribes! They received "gifts" and in exchange for those "gifts" they granted "favours".
Proconsuls also plundered their assigned provinces as much as they could. Or how do you think Brutus and Cassius managed to raise that army to fight Octavian and Marc Antony? They squeezed in Syria. Hard. Or why do you think Ceasar wanted governship in Gaul? He was broke as fuck and needed to make money to pay off his nearly unsurmountable debts.
Ultimately Rome just said "we want x money from province y by time z" and didn't care if the governor squeezed out thrice that. So that's what they all did. Squeeze, embezzle, fraud. If you raelly think Romans were that honest, why do you think they saw the need to create an institution like the "Quastor", a glorified bean counter.

Exhibit A Above.

Declining civilizations are like wealthy kids blaming their parents for them squandering their inheritance. They know they have botched it so instead of conceding it they instead start to attack their parents as morally flawed and just as bad in their way.

It still doesn't explain how the original Americans made this the greatest nation we know of in recorded history by 1955 and yet by 1995 it looked like God's bowels came down from outer space and wiped their cheeks on North America. Well, they weren't so great after all you see. It's not my fault that people exaggerated the accomplishments of the past and made my generation look like a bunch of semi-protozoa who can barely even speak comprehensibly.

Just as an example, there is universal consensus on the internet worldwide that Amerikwans self-identify with their words. You can pick out the Amerikwans on any blog on the internet by their atrocious spelling, grammar and awkward composition. Some of their speech sounds like a merger of the drongos slang in CLOCKWORK ORANGE and the bastard gypsy dialect in RIDDLEY WALKER.

Do you think this would have been true in 1955?

I think not. Since that's just the tip of the iceberg, case closed.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I'm not sure which one you are referring to.

You got it right, but you missed the part about the Spartans.

(...)Washington and Jefferson(...)

I didn't say whether the Romans were good or evil according to your Francis Fukuyama secular humanist value system. I said that they were virtuous. They were not conflicted. Romans were very scary people in the beginning because they were damn serious at all times, were people of their word and said exactly what they meant. When they said civil servants were obligated to perform all their duties exactly as they were assigned and forbidden to steal so much as a single denarus, they weren't kidding. Romans were so honest they could be trusted with huge sums of money without graft and it goes a long way towards explaining how quickly they built infrastructure at the outset. The money for government went back into roads, buildings, sewage works and water pipes for the people, not the pockets of bureaucrats. By contrast, in the latter days of Rome they taxed their citizens blind and the hoi polloi never saw a dime of that money come back to them, ever.

I wonder how is it that you've such a confident insight on these people, I could accept your reference to George Washington and Thomas Jefferson as morally superior beings, since they only lived three centuries ago and records of them might be more accurate and more numerous. But how do you explain the same references back to the romans, not only that, I disagreed with your assertion of them being "morally incorruptible" people, one because you were speaking in general, as if they were morally superior to the rest of the civilizations of their time, and two because, talking about history, you can know a lot of their philosophy, their leaders, their conflicts and wars, their monuments, but pretending to know about the average roman who lived thousands of years ago is a little far fetched, until the XIX century not a single author considered the lives of the common man to be worth the trouble of recording, the main vehicle that carried characters to the books was fascination and marvel, two things that any average person lacks. Unless, of course, you're extrapolating the little you know (though you know more than me) and creating hipotesis for the sake of sustaining your argument for this "Cycle of Decay" and its reasons.

I know you probably think like Nancy Pelosi that I'm no better informed than you. You probably think it doesn't matter if you fake it, because everybody else is also faking it.

Except I'm not faking it. I'm the genuine article. I am self-educated, except my self-education is identical to the education I could have gotten at the half-century in the public institutions.

I think that the real difference between you and I (as with everybody else) is my Aspergers. Try as you might, you will never be able to develop a perspective outside the consensus. You can't. You're a neurotypical and there is a penicillin ring around the perimeter of your head that will always prevent you from escaping your own cultural "normal" to a higher perspective. You will never be able to see the woods for the trees.

In a world where there is nobody left who can read, anybody can insist that history is unknowable. As long as there isn't one person left who can read.

Ammianus Marcellinus (330 - 391 AD)
Appian (90 - 160 AD)
Apuleius (Lucius Apuleius) (125 - 171 AD)
Arrian (Flavius Arrianus) (96 - 180 AD)
Athenaeus (Athenaeus of Naucratis) (ca. AD 200)
Caesar (100 - 44 BC)
Cato the Elder (Marcus Porcius Cato) (234 - 149 BC)
Catullus (87 - 54 BC)
Cicero (Marcus Tullius Cicero) (106 - 43 BC)
Columella (Lucius Junius Moderatus Columella) (1st cent. A.D.)
Dio Cassius (Cassius Dio Cocceianus) (155 - 235? AD)
Dio Chrysostom (Dio Cocceianus Chrysostomus) (ca40 - 120 AD)
Diodorus Siculus (90 - 21 BC)
Dionysius of Halicarnassus (60/55 - 7 BC)
Eusebius (260 - 339 AD)
Eutropius (Flavius Eutropius) (4th century AD)
Florus (Lucius Annaeus Florus) (during reign of Hadrian)
Frontinus (Sextus Julius Frontinus) (40 - 104 AD)
Fronto (Marcus Cornelius Fronto) (100 - 167 AD)
Galen (Claudius Galen) (129 - 199 AD)
Gellius (Aulus Gellius) (123 - 169 AD)
Herodian (170 - 240 AD)
Horace (Quintus Horatius Flaccus) (65 - 8 BC)
Josephus (37 - 100 AD)
Julian the Apostate (Emperor Flavius Claudius Julianus) (331 - 363 AD)
Juvenal (Decimus Iunius Iuvenalis) (47 - 130 AD)
Livy (Titus Livius) (59 BC - 17 AD)
Lucan (Marcus Annaeus Lucanus) (39 - 65 AD)
Lucian (120 - 180 AD)
Lucretius (Titus Lucretius Carus) (99 - 55 BC)
Marcus Aurelius (Emperor Marcus Aurelius Antoninus) (121 - 180 AD)
Martialis (Marcus Valerius Martialis) (38/41 - 100 AD )
Nepos (Cornelius Nepos) (99 - 24 BC)
Origen (Origenes Adamantius) (185 - 254 AD)
Ovid (Publius Ovidius Naso) (43 BC - 17 AD)
Pausanias (2nd Century AD)
Petronius (Petronius Arbiter) (27 BC - 66 AD)
Philo (20 BC - 45 AD)
Pliny the Elder (Gaius Plinius Secundus) (23 - 79 AD)
Pliny the Younger (Gaius Plinius Caecilius Secundus) (62 - 113 AD)
Plutarch (50 - 125 AD)
Polybius (200 - 123 BC)
Quintilian (Marcus Fabius Quintilianus) (35 - 100 AD)
Sallust (Gaius Sallustius Crispus) (86 - 34 BC)
Seneca (Lucius Annaeus Seneca) (4 BC - 65 AD)
Seneca the Elder (Seneca the Elder) (ca.55 Bc- ca.Ad 40)
Sextus Propertius (50 BC - 2 BC)
Strabo (66 BC - 24 AD)
Suetonius (Gaius Suetonius Tranquillus) (75 - 150 AD)
Tacitus (Publius Cornelius Tacitus) (55 - 120 AD)
Tertullian (Quintus Septimius Florens Tertullianus) (160 - 230 AD)
Valerius Maximus (Valerius Maximus) (c.20 BC-c.AD 50)
Varro (Marcus Terrentius Varro) (116 - 27 BC)
Vegetius (Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus) (c. 400 AD)
Velleius (Velleius Paterculus) (20 BC - 30 AD)
Virgil (Publius Vergilius Maro) (70 - 19 BC)
Vitruvius (Marcus Vitruvius Pollio) (c. late 1st cent BC and 1st cent. AD)

A small sampling of authors who wrote in enormous detail about the past. They also wrote far better than most modern authors as well and they read better even in translation, most of them. There is only one non-Roman author I have ever read who reads better in translation than native authors read in English. Friedrich Nietzsche.

 

[Higher Game]

The English language never had a chance after 1066. It's a mess of Classical, French, and Germanic vulgarity. A worthy new language might emerge from it a few centuries after the collapse, but I wouldn't wager much on it. Chinese is a safer bet.

As for America, 1955 was no golden age. Stupid theories like psychoanalysis and Austrian economics had already crept in at that point, and long term thought in general, especially environmental, was insubstantial. America was born in decadence and never had a chance to experience a real golden age.

If I had to pick a point where the shark jumped, the French Revolution is it. Everything afterwards (democracy, Marxism, consumerism, liberalism, dysgenics) can be traced to the French proles killing off their Nordic overlords. Blonde hair is a rare sight in France (and most Slavic countries for the same reason) today due to this stupidity.

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

If I had to pick a point where the shark jumped, the French Revolution is it. Everything afterwards (democracy, Marxism, consumerism, liberalism, dysgenics) can be traced to the French proles killing off their Nordic overlords. Blonde hair is a rare sight in France (and most Slavic countries for the same reason) today due to this stupidity.

Leave the French out of this mess. It's all about an asparagus burying itself for fear of the decline of western civilisation. Said decline has nothing to do with my people in particular. Only general gayness and inability to think properly (as in the Blake way). No More.

 

[dagorkan]

pwnage

Think it's time you retreat back to your bunker Cleve.

The English language never had a chance after 1066. It's a mess of Classical, French, and Germanic vulgarity. A worthy new language might emerge from it a few centuries after the collapse, but I wouldn't wager much on it. Chinese is a safer bet.

What was 'English' before 1066? You ever hear of Chaucer?

 

[Brother None]

Blonde hair is a rare sight in France (and most Slavic countries for the same reason) today due to this stupidity.

Not sure I can agree with your geneologic analysis there, sport.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

Mommy!! The bad man called me a name!
"It's okay dear, we'll get Daddy's lawyer to sue him."

If you were truly as brilliant and superior as your ego/insanity would lead you to believe, I'm sure that you would have better things to do than argue with inferior beings over the internet.

Of course, by bragging about your survivalist endeavors on the internet, you have lost the opportunity to evade detection. Any true survivalist with half a brain would keep a very low profile. if the events that your godlike intellect has foreseen were to come to pass, I would expect a visit from your local NWO stormtroopers shortly after the shit hits the fan, if your neighbors don't kill you first.

Assuming that you survive the above, enjoy your slow death by radiation poisoning, as any conflict between the US and China that goes nuclear will make the entire planet a very inhospitable place. I suppose that your superior DNA could be immune to the effects of radiation, it's just unfortunate for you that no amount of provisions that you may have accumulated will last indefinitely.

I hope that you stockpiled plenty of ammunition, they are coming.

Again, this guy is an example of the kinds of mental titans that inspired me to register at the Codex.

I've got some questions for you sport :

1. What makes you think my neighbors, mostly brick layers and carpet salesmen, would be able to penetrate a military grade fortress like something you'd expect to see on the frontier in STARSHIP TROOPERS to guard against bug attacks?

2. What makes you think my shelter is so accessible that anybody who had the thought could/would/might even think about it? It's inaccessible to armored vehicles for the most part and anybody on foot should write a long suicide letter and how they'd like their possessions divided amongst their surviving kin.

3. What makes you think I put any important details about my shelter on the internet? Like firing points, for example? How about those 1/2 meter wide beartraps that I purchase solely for the reason they look like the beartraps in RESIDENT EVIL 4? Think you'd want to know where they will be placed? I think if you stepped on one of those you'd wish you had done more research. Anyway, they are just there to serve as visual and audio cues to hold trespassers in place until they can be dispatched efficiently without wasting precious bullet ammo.

4. What sort of fallout radiation do you think penetrates 12 feet of granite? What's that, like 40,000 rads an hour to produce 1 rad an hour inside the shelter? In your scenario, does the UN physically build a nuclear reactor on top of my shelter and bury the spent fuel rods on my land?

5. If you mean "indefinite" provisions, like say a 1000 years, no as a matter of fact I have not yet confirmed scheduling that far out. If you're talking provisions for 40+ years, I'm pretty well covered. My recent rotation left enough excess to solve the world food crisis overnight.

I enjoyed your village idiot "I've never given it more than thirty seconds of thought" analysis, but I'm afraid you may not realize I'm like one million steps ahead of you all the time. Your entire brain functionality could actually run as a small embedded chip inside my nostril and be powered by the vibration of me snoring.

Your last conscious thought before you expire from combined dehydration/hunger/radiation sickness as you beat pathetically on my outer hatch door, whining pitifully for admission, will be the realization that it's actually just a styrofoam dummy I put out in the middle of a field as a decoy with nothing behind it and that my real entrance was 400 meters away behind a moat. It will give you some satisfaction as you pass out onto your back and gasp one final time that you are nought but a small embedded chip inside the nostril of Cleve. Almost a cosmic recognition of your own place in the universe, really.

 

[skavenhorde]

Umm ok and you stink. So what's your point?

My point is that you don't know how to read. I didn't say "don't argue with Cleve" (on the contrary, I quite enjoy this), I was telling Trash to stop taking idiotic ad hominem pot shots and start arguing objectively. "Cleve is insane because I say he is" is about the weakest argument one can make. Now, don't you feel stupid? Good.

Ok there skippy, how the hell is Trash taking ad hominem pot shots? Trash just said that his posts were getting easier to understand because Cleve is going into details about why he thinks a certain way. At first I just thought Cleve was being controversial but the more I read the more I could see that some of what he was saying wasn't just ranting. Well most of it is ranting but some of it makes sense. I'm still not sure what the fuck that superman thing was about.

So that is ad hominem? I don't think so, oh wise wizard of the tards, but I forgive you for being a tard.

 

[Mojo]

I really don't share the opinion that building a vault and storing provisions is some utterly crazy and unreasonable thing to do ( it's actually pretty reasonable in many ways. WWIII will deffinately happen sometime in the future I suppose), but what if you don't live to see the fag armaggedon Cleve? What if all this time and resources are put to nought?

I mean let's face it, since Hiroshima people have been panicking at the possibility of doomsday, but even considering we were very close to it ( i.e : Cuban missile crisis) it didn't fucking happen. Actually, it's probably much less likely to happen now that it was in the cold war period.

Also, why the fuck do you think anyone would nuke australia? It's a country that remains neutral and uninvolved on most conflicts and that has nothing of any interest to anyone, not to mention it doesn't pose a threat to nobody on the military level as well . It seems quite a waste to build a vault there. What are you afraid off? Kangaroos carrying warheads? Lord Humungus?

 

[Lyric Suite]

Sodomites are not just homosexuals, but all homosexuals are sodomites.

I think our dear Jasede here proves that that just isn't true. Ho wait, he's also a furry. God damned.

 

[Lyric Suite]

Also, why the fuck do you think anyone would nuke australia?

Because god hates Australia:

http://www.godhatesaustralia.net/

[Fake edit] Ho shit the site has been hijacketed. No more lulz from the Westboro Baptist Church.

 

[Jeff Graw]

How the hell is Trash taking ad hominem pot shots?

Aw come on. Cleve's rants are hilarious, I'll give him that. But with each new one the insanity gets a bit more easier to see. This entire thread has been one wonderfull trainwreck so far. It's almost art.

The ad hominem pot shot is in bold italics. Now go somewhere else -- you aren't smart enough to be posting here.

 

[spacemoose]

yeah get out you homo. me, jeff and cleve are gonna enlighten the fuck out of you intellectual insects

cleve's command peace out

 

[Krancor]

What are you afraid off? Lord Humungus?

LOL!!!

CLEVE, THIS IS YOUR FINAL WARNING. JUST WALK AWAY CLEVE. WALK AWAY AND WE CAN END THIS IN PEACE.

 

[Gnidrologist]

He's afraid of Ayatolla of Rockenroll'ah.

 

[Jasede]

Look, the Codex is a place of intelligent people.

Stop the ridiculous tiny-replies and take Cleve's arguments apart if they're so false!

You people make fun of him, but hardly any one has actually made an effort to disprove him seriously.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

1. Wishful thinking?

2., 3. I don't know, are you absolutely certain that you have thought of everything?

4., 5. In that case, enjoy being entombed in your own design. I guess the bright side is that you may finally have the time to finish your game while your waiting for the radiation to dissipate, it's just too bad that there won't be anyone left to buy it.

Here is a scenario for you:
You have been linked to extremist groups (whether it's true or not doesn't matter at this point). Australia has some pretty strict gun laws. Are you certain that all of those firearms are legally possessed? What will you do if the authorities come knocking and want to check? Are they well hidden? Hopefully you never bragged about your arsenal on the internet. You may very well already be on their radar. You know, war on terror and all. What about satellites? They may have been watching while you were constructing your shelter. There may be someone in the government that knows about your shelter and thinks that his family deserves to survive the apocalypse more than yours does.
What kind of property forfeiture laws does Australia have in cases of terrorism?
Questions, questions, questions.

As far as the rest of it goes, I'm not too concerned about what my last conscious thought will be, but I can assure you that it will have absolutely nothing to do with you.

Despite my better judgement, from time to time, I do indulge in feeding the trolls. It's unfortunate that I am indeed, only a mere mortal prone to error at times.

With that, I'll simply clean the dogshit from the bottom of my shoe and completely forget about it.

1. Better than no thinking at all?

2., 3. Are you absolutely certain that you have thought of anything?

4., 5. Enjoy being exposed with no preparedness of any kind during the coming decade. Brilliant strategy, that. Really capped by mindless critiques of people with any preparations at all. I see how having no options whatsoever is just plain clever on your part. There's some Amerikwan-style logic for you.

Here's a scenario for you : Something bad happens and you are immediately shoved into a refugee/labor camp where you are bunged in the arse 5000 times a day by just about anybody. Your total preparation is zero, control of your own life is nil and probably better for you had you never even been born. The country so nice they nuked it twice. Read Cormac MacCarthy's THE ROAD and keep in mind that permanent double duty inside a comfort camp as a cross-dresser is the optimistic, upbeat feelgood hit of the summer outcome in your case.

Keep up that sneering, guy, it seems to be the groove thing for Amerikwans and it really appears to be working for you. I suspect most of you after a while forget even what it is you are sneering at.

 

[Cleveland Mark Blakemore]

I really don't share the opinion that building a vault and storing provisions is some utterly crazy and unreasonable thing to do ( it's actually pretty reasonable in many ways. WWIII will deffinately happen sometime in the future I suppose), but what if you don't live to see the fag armaggedon Cleve? What if all this time and resources are put to nought?

There's no such thing as the end of the world. It's likely just the end of you.

Your obsessive juvenalia about "the apocalypse" (basically any situation where you die, mostly as a consequence of your own actions) is clouding any understanding of the present.

You do understand, when you have ten dollars in your pocket and you decide to spend it on a big roll of bubble gum tape rather than a sack of rice, you are making an assumption about the future, just like me. You are banking that it is going to continue in such a fashion as it has been without demanding that any people who survive in it have to think ahead more than ten minutes. The fact is, the only reason you and I are here is that supposedly our ability to think and prepare ahead of time for the future exceeds that of animals. We are descended from people who bought the sack of rice. The people who decided on the roll of bubble gum tape died shortly thereafter and did not pass their genes on to the next generation.

Obviously, with so many people chewing bubble gum, it takes quite a bit of selection to finally weed all these dumb genes out. Thousands of years of cruel and swift selection again and again, in fact.

I mean let's face it, since Hiroshima people have been panicking at the possibility of doomsday, but even considering we were very close to it ( i.e : Cuban missile crisis) it didn't fucking happen. Actually, it's probably much less likely to happen now that it was in the cold war period.

I own a televitz at home too. It says that all the time. Televitz says a lot of things. The funny consistency about all the things I hear on televitz is that they are always wrong.

Also, why the fuck do you think anyone would nuke australia? It's a country that remains neutral and uninvolved on most conflicts and that has nothing of any interest to anyone, not to mention it doesn't pose a threat to nobody on the military level as well . It seems quite a waste to build a vault there. What are you afraid off? Kangaroos carrying warheads? Lord Humungus?

Funny, that, I worked for the government writing simulations and Australia is frequently called the hub of the third world war. Amerikwa has converted it into it's communications, supply and support carrier in the Pacific. Rest assured, the average IQ in Australia is 98 and the average IQ in China is 106. That's a full derivation. The intellectual gulf between Chinese people and Australian people is actually larger now than the gulf between the average Australian and Koko the Sign Language Gorilla. Chinese people are not stupid. When the third world war starts, our skies are going to be full of nuclear tipped cruise missiles as thick as the arrows fired by the Persians in that movie "300."

Remember, when every new war breaks out, those found invariably on the losing side always turn out to have made preparations to fight the prior war, not the new one. Amerikwa and Australia have this very problem. They're well equipped to fight World War II. Unfortunately this is World War III.

 

[dagorkan]

So when do you think this nuclear war is coming? In five years? Ten? Twenty? How long are you going to keep your kids believing their dad is building a bunker for their safety and not simply because he is a bitter old dumbfuck?