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Game News Support Nazism by Supporting Grimoire

Discussion in 'News & Content Feedback' started by Sol Invictus, Jul 5, 2005.

  1. Jeff Graw StarChart Interactive Developer

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    Holocaust denial *may* lead to violence against Jews and violent video games *may* lead to school shootings. Does that mean either form of expression should be made a criminal offense? It looks like you've dropped to the same intellectual plane as Jack Thompson, Sol.
     
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  2. Stalin Scholar

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  3. GeneralSamov Erudite

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  4. Azrael the cat Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...


    Yeah, but aint it nice not having slums over the inner third of our cities:). Don't worry, one day your economy will improve enough to afford a 1st world health care system too:).

    I'm not saying that Cleve should be 'locked up' (btw, in Australia the average hospitalisation for psych illness is less than 2 weeks - we actually treat people here rather than just shutting them away out of sight) for having racist or non-PC views. Tons of folk have that, even in countries with education systems (I'm excluding your day-care + firearm lesson halls from that). I'm saying it is a possibility that he might have a serious mental illness - it would explain his belief that his bones are super-strong and that cars bounce off him, it would explain his detrerioration from an employed guy with wierd views to someone living in what is quite lterally a hole in the ground. His political views haven't got anything to do with it - we've got our fair share of rednecks here, no-one gives a shit about that. Especially because over here the main purpose of short-term hospitalisation is whether it will improve an ill person's quality of life. Even if the guy does have schizophrenia, anti-psychotics aren't going to do jack shit about his political views, and frankly no-one in the health system, or the legal system, could care less about that - if he is going to blow something up, then that's a matter for the criminal courts. If, on the other hand, this guy is deteriorating rapidly from being someone with a home, a family, friends and a job, to some little paranoid guy living in a dirt hovel dug underground, his physical health deteriorating in isolation, getting no social contact apart from ranting over the internet, getting angrier and angrier at the world, becoming LITERALLY DELUSIONAL TO THE POINT WHERE HE THINKS THAT CARS BOUNCE OFF HIM AT NEAR FULL SPEED - yeah someone might take a look at that guy and wonder if it isn't a mental illness that has caused that kind of quite incredible collapse in living conditions, and whether it would be worth checking if he has a diagnosable mental illness, and if it turns out that he does, whether a couple of weeks in a clean hospital might convince him to get community treatment when he leaves, so he can get his life back to where it was.

    Or I guess we could just shove all our underclass, homeless and blacks in prison like you guys.

    Now maybe it isn't the case - maybe he doesn't have schizophrenia. Well guess what - Australia's psych laws are almost word for word the same as yours in most states of the US - the only difference is in the hearing procedure, in which yours I'll readily admit is better (I trust a court decision more than a specialist tribunal). Under either system someone whose life has deteriorated that badly, and who rants in the manner that he does, and frankly has really fucking wierd views about his own body that seem very much to be delusions, would be viewed as being at least a candidate for schizophrenia. Now fortunately in Australia that usually means a couple of weeks in hospital before being discharged with a psych referral. In the US its a stay that can go for years, but hey who cares as long as they're out of sight huh?

    Learn about you're own fucking laws before you criticse someone elses. I'm sure even YOU guys must get a break between highschool massacres to do that?
     
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  5. Shannow Waster of Time

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...

    Fixed.


    I know, I know. That's not funny.
     
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  6. Azrael the cat Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...

    Fair call:). Not sure why I'm doing the whole 'angry post' thing today - I'm usually much more mellow behind the keyboard...
     
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  7. dagorkan Arbiter

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    After that post I think Azrael may well have a mental illness. In France we would have him tranquilized and put away just as a precaution until we can figure out what his problem is.
     
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  8. Major_Blackhart Codexia Lord Sodom Patron

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    Every cuntry suxx compared to USA! Especially Australia since we whooped their asses in the Australia-American War not too many years ago.
     
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  9. kingcomrade Kingcomrade Edgy

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    You know what sucks more than other countries? Cleve Blakemore.
     
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  10. Saint_Proverbius Arcane Patron

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...

    I dunno, Azzy makes a good case for Cleve being a complete nutjob in need of a doctor's care. The idea of moving out to the boonies and living in an underground bunker because you think the END IS NIGH probably qualifies as an irrational fear, or at least an irrational response to a perceptible fear. Couple his response to the fear while mocking others for wearing gas masks for a few days when nothing has come as close him as what happened in New York(i.e. wearing gas masks in New York when there's still building debris in the air isn't that nutty an idea), it makes him seem loon bin worthy. Now, had he been a WTC survivor and moved out in the woods to a fallout shelter, that's still kind of nutty. Cleve's never come close to any specified trauma like that, though. It's one thing to buy a fallout shelter home because you think it's neat or different, it's another to just up and build one because you think the world is doomed.

    When you go in to his rantings about things for the cause of why he'd move out there, it gets even more nuts. Enjoying the death of 3000 people because it somehow validates you slice of insanity isn't something a normal person does, considering by his rantings it seems he's on the "same side" as the people who died. There's a difference between being apathetic to moderately happy about people getting killed who are an enemy, but being confident in your views to the point he was about the situation because some people just going to work got killed in an attack is a little on the crazy side. Even if you consider them sheep or whatever, he still seems to recognize the enemy is the other group of people.

    That's one thing that's always bugged me about the whole thing. While I'm well aware that your seasons are reversed from the Northern part of the globe, it's always seemed really weird that you guys have Christmas during the Summer. Maybe it's all the years of conditioning we've had about "white Christmas" and such, but it's always seemed out of place that the months are the same in both hemispheres. It just seems a little jarring. ;)
     
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  11. Jeff Graw StarChart Interactive Developer

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...

    Learn to read before you make a fool out of yourself. I live in Edmonton, as in, not the US.
     
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  12. Ausir Arcane

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    There's at least one Edmonton in the US as well.
     
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  13. Shannow Waster of Time

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    Edmonton, Kentucky, USA.

    EDIT: Of course, re-reading Jeff's comment makes it sound as if "Edmonton" is a country like the US. Does it make you a basketcase if you believe your city is a country? If so, I might also need some counseling^^
     
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  14. Jeff Graw StarChart Interactive Developer

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    Ah. Had no idea. Thought that this being an RPG forum everyone would think Edmonton << Bioware << Canada or something like that.
     
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  15. crakkie Arcane

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    Cleve Blakemore has claimed a fallout shelter.
    Cleve Blakemore has begun a mysterious construction!
    Cleve Blakemore cancels build RPG: Went insane.
     
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  16. Krancor Scholar

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...

    Nothing he's said has struck me as genuinely mentally ill, though some of it seems to peg him as an asshole. If you're some sort of mental health professional, you're a lousy one.

    You also know nothing about the US and if you guys ever start to let in immigrants in the sort of numbers we do, then your cities will be full of slums and violence, too. You already have a worse gang situation, you fucktard, with maori gangs running around routinely perpetrating male-male gangbang rape. Your news is so fucked up they normally intentionally conceal the race of the attackers, letting you steep in your ignorance and delusions of a happy multicultural world until you get your faced smashed in and your ass raped.

    It's pretty astounding to me anyone who lives in Australia, the ass end of the universe, would have the nerve to call any other country uncivilized. You can't even keep your tiny populance in check, let alone keep 320 million people peaceful, productive and fed.

    You can talk about our supposedly oppressive government but the simple truth is that minorities have wildly higher crime statistics, and when you've lived here a while you'll see it's just the facts of life, not some elaborate conspiracy to keep minorities down. People talk about conviction statistics but the truth is that most white people, and certainly anyone who'd be chosen for a jury, are going to be more lenient on someone who's a minority due to misplaced white guilt.

    When you look at the actual cases involved in comparisons of people who cry racism, the crimes with blacks who get convicted are almost always brutally violent, senseless crimes where they got ratted out or caught by dumb luck by the police. There's usually little defense to be made, and the defendent is usually too stupid to make a good defense anyhow. Crimes like this are very seldom a one time thing - they have no doubt gotten away with many other crimes before getting caught for something like this. In the same comparisons, most of the white people involved are in completely different cases, comparing apples to oranges. A few nuts mixed in with a lot of evil fuckers who've done shit like murder their wife, business partner, etc. Stuff that's a lot harder to prosecute, much easier for juries to be sympathetic to, and for which there's virtually never any eye witness. The nuts get convicted, but evil ones killing their wives or whatever seldom do, whatever their race.

    The people who come here as immigrants, especially illegally, are normally the losers of the world, not the winners. Most of them are illiterate even in their own language, let alone English. Countries like Cuba and Mexico and Canada actually ship their mentally ill to the US in order to get rid of them. Then Canadians have the nerve to act superior to the US and talk about how civilized they are and how great their healthcare system is. It's hilarious. Especially when any statistics you can spew about how stupid Americans supposedly are suddenly drastically invalid when you cut out illiterate minorities and especially illegals who barely speak English. When you compare the white people in the US to other countries, suddenly everyone else in the world starts to look pretty stupid, but especially the people who made wild generalizations about how stupid and ignorant the people of the US are, and envision everyone here as wearing a cowboy hat and sixshooter dragging a nigger behind their pickup on a rope as they drive drunk and fire wildly in the air shouting "America, fuck yeah!".

    It's even funnier you think that Australia has a better medical system than the US. The biggest problem the US healthcare system has is that it's innundated with millions of immigrants every year and that the H1B program hires cheaper foreign workers to replace US born ones so they can work nurses and doctors longer hours and for lower pay which leads to a huge nursing shortage when all the American born (read competent, won't kill you, speak English) nurses quit, which is a program that every foreign liberal I've ever met has defended strongly in spite of all the evidence of how much damage it's done to the US and its people.

    You can still get the best healthcare in the world here. You don't wait on a fucking waiting list to get a vital test than means life or death like in every socialized medicine country that exists. You don't get the test for free, but guess what? There's no such thing as free! Someone pays for everything somehow, and I would much rather pay for my own healthcare than to pay for every bum off the street who drinks til his liver explodes or smokes til he gets cancer and then get the same shitty healthcare that they get event hough they contribute nothing to society and I've worked very hard in life. If I lived in Canada, I'd be fucking dead right now. Period. I got an immediate test for a condition that would have killed me if it were left untreated even a few weeks, let alone the months of waiting I would have had to endure (or rather fail to) to get the right tests in any country with socialized medicine.

    Hospitalization time is also another point that shows what a naive ignoramous you are. This from a supposed healthcare professional, too. What are you, an assistant nurse or something? Anyone with a brain knows that the reason mental health hospital stays are being cut shorter and shorter around the world is to save expense. You can barely evaluate someone in two weeks, let alone turn around a suicidal patient or someone who's a danger to others (who are the people usually being hospitalized in the first place). You can't safely treat dangerous psychotics or the suicidal in that kind of time - most of the medicines involved don't even kick in for 4-6 weeks!

    It also probably never occurred to you that maybe Cleve doesn't work because he doesn't have to. Not everyone is a loser emo bitchboy like you! I don't work, either. Why? I don't have to. I have no job yet I just bought a new house. Programmers make (or used to make) a lot of money. You don't build a huge shelter like Cleve did cheaply. I looked into custom building a normal house and the bill would have run to hundreds of thousands, let alone an underground shelter that size. The digging alone would cost over 100k, I'm sure. If he wants to LARP fallout in realtime then bully for him. Guess what? He can afford to. You can't. Who's the loser now?

    It always surprises me how ignorant and stupid people like you really are, especially when you have the nerve to go on about how ignorant Americans are, when you know nothing about them and in fact you obviously know nothing about anything. You're as bad or worse than Cleve, but just too stupid to realize it. You should really just shoot yourself.
     
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  17. Jeff Graw StarChart Interactive Developer

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    You don't see internet ownage like that every day.
     
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  18. kingcomrade Kingcomrade Edgy

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    whoa
     
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  19. dagorkan Arbiter

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    Did an immigrant kick your dog or something?
     
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  20. Dire Roach Prophet

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    Re: given that Grimoire still isn't released...

    Certainly not with a gun; he probably doesn't own one and he'd have to wait for a whole month to get a permit. A crossbow maybe?
     
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  21. Astromarine Erudite

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    I vote boomerang
     
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  22. Fez Erudite

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    At least with that he can make it look like he was murdered when it hits him on the back of the head.
     
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  23. Jaime Lannister Arbiter

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    I saw a bumper sticker today for a congressman who wants to deport all illegals that said "He's on our side." That was a dead giveaway that the person who owned the car was white.
     
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  24. Krancor Scholar

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    How well has immigration worked out for native americans? Pretty much every one of them I've ever met has been against immigration, and most would send back everyone that's come over already.
     
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  25. Jaime Lannister Arbiter

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    Really? Most Native Americans (non-reservation) I know have assimilated quite nicely. Native Americans always act much more white than other minorities in my experience.
     
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