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Vapourware System Shock 3 by OtherSide Entertainment - taken over by Tencent!

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by LESS T_T, Dec 8, 2015.

  1. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    System Shock remake-tier hubris.
     
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  2. Mikeal Cipher

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    What with all this hate on Warren Spector? Except that he made some games two decades ago and now he's skilles hack who still thinks that he's real deal?
     
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  3. Katana1000S Angrier OtherSide Refugee

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    This is good honest feedback already ... I came in to ask just what MasterLobar had already asked ... was this game more than half way completed a long time ago, we all knew it was a lie.

    Just goes to show how corrupt some game studios are these days they will spout pure lies at the drop of a hat, from the beginning like Underworld Ascendant to SS3 too ... half way finished my ass.

    Anyone with any common sense whatsoever was NOT buying that pack of vile lies.

    It made no sense whatsoever, but they made that outrageous lie anyway :(

    Thank you Kin Corn Karn, you are are one very welcome whistle blower who sheds good light on this whole fiasco ... Thank you.
     
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  4. Katana1000S Angrier OtherSide Refugee

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    If Spector has any balls, he'll come clean on this whole fiasco ... just because Warren Spector had talent once, does not mean he has it forever, all talent from all areas in life goes into decline with age, it's a well known concept, also the industry has moved on, Spector has rested on his laurels thinking he could spring back and throw out a masterpiece again as if it were baking a cake, he is so fucking wrong.

    I do respect the guy, but he is so out of touch these days its beyond a joke.

    These are different times, much different times ...
     
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  5. MasterLobar Angry OtherSide Refugee

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    Why did they spend money and manpower on this in the year UA was supposed to launch and while UA was in such a terrible shape?

     
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  6. Roguey Arcane Sawyerite

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    The truth about Spector is that he had some nice ideas and some stupid ideas, but he was mostly a loudmouth producer who was sometimes detrimental to the quality of his games (he did "I'm going to form two teams for this one game and have them compete against each other" twice even after it proved disastrous the first time)
     
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  7. TheImplodingVoice Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck

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    Given what a piece of shit it is. I'm still surprised Warren thought it was good to play at all. And then actually released it. No one probably ever play tested before launch.
     
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  8. retinoid Educated

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    Why must Warren Spector be an old senile piece of garbage now? He had plenty of time to get this shit done in his prime, or at least get a real spiritual successor to SS2 and Deus Ex off the ground but instead he fucks around with Epic Mickey and Epic Mickey 2: Invisible War. I know Harvey Smith probably did most of the work in Deus Ex, but Spector at least has power as a producer to get the right people involved, although looking at Underworld: Ascendant maybe he has lost the plot in this regard too.
     
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  9. Sordid MCA/Prosper Hybryd Arcane Patron

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  10. Morgoth Arcane Patron

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    It's okay to kill space zombies though. Gotcha Warren.
     
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  11. Katana1000S Angrier OtherSide Refugee

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    Warren is clearly senile now and this topic started just over 4 years ago ... its not going to happen, ever.

    Lets move on please.
     
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  12. Nano Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    Harvey was one of the lead designers, the other was Robert White. Robert was the one in charge of DX's RPG elements. Harvey prefers non-RPG immersive sims which is why none of his games at Arkane are RPGs.
     
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  13. Morgoth Arcane Patron

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    Warren isn't senile, he just lost touch with modern game development, as most of his old Origins/LGS pals evidently did as well.
     
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  14. retinoid Educated

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    Thanks for the info, I wasn't aware of that. Where is Robert White these days?
     
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  15. Nano Prestigious Gentleman Arcane Patron

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    https://www.mobygames.com/developer/sheet/view/developerId,392621/
     
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  16. retinoid Educated

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    That's pretty fucking rad. Reminds me of how a lot of the early Simpsons (golden age) and Futurama writers were Math/Physics majors. Would have been interesting to see him go further in the industry, but he left on a fucking high note that's for sure.
     
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  17. taxalot Gone forever. Patron

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    When you go from wondering if the game is going to be good or not, to if the game is going to be released or not, you might as well close shop.
     
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  18. LESS T_T Prestigious Gentleman Arcane

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  19. Katana1000S Angrier OtherSide Refugee

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    Yes ... I think something official as an announcement is well over due.

    Nobody likes to be kept in the dark ... and every System Shock fan has been kept in the dark for quite some time now.

    I fear its all a massive train wreck waiting to happen though :(
     
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  20. MasterLobar Angry OtherSide Refugee

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    Infinitron has been updating a threat about the layoffs on their official forum for months. It's one of the most-read threads there and is almost always among the top threads (because very few people are still posting there).

    https://forums.otherside-e.com/t/layoffs-at-otherside/10096

    I guess every journalist who is interested in the company should have noticed by now.
     
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  21. Kin Corn Karn Arcane Developer

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    There's a lot of criticism of Warren here that I don't think is very fair. He was the most visible face of the team so I imagine it's natural to assign him blame, but if anything we needed more of his direct involvement. The team had a lot of strong personalities and he was mostly hands-off. In person he has a very gentle, kind, and humble demeanor. He had a good vision for the game, and perhaps some ambitions that were outside our reach, but I don't recall his involvement ever being corrosive.

    The things that hurt us were:
    Picking Unity over UE4.
    Design being understaffed, and effective design leadership coming much too late.
    Milestone tunnel vision. A lot of the work put into the milestone demos ended up getting thrown away.
    The UA trainwreck.
    Starbreeze pulling out due to bankruptcy.

    Some things went right:
    In spite of the technical difficulties with the engine, the staff at Unity were incredibly supportive and helpful. Some of the AAA improvements to Unity in the last couple years were born from the work they did with us.
    Our milestone demos looked great.
    We touched on some truly innovative game systems that I unfortunately can't talk about. We shed sweat and blood to get them working, but it started to come together.
     
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  22. MasterLobar Angry OtherSide Refugee

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    The problem is his lying and arrogance vs backers. Two examples:

     
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  23. Infinitron I post news Patron

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    Sam checks in: https://forums.otherside-e.com/t/layoffs-at-otherside/10096/28

     
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  24. Tweed Savant Patron

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    I wouldn't feel too bad folks, I'm sure the remake will deliver all kinds of disappointment.
     
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  25. MasterLobar Angry OtherSide Refugee

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    Just to remind everyone what she is talking about:


    June 20, 2019, one day after console release:

     
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