Baldur's Gate The Baldur's Gate Series Thread

[NJClaw]

wow that's really amazing, imagine if it turned out your character was actually a demigod or something

Come on rusty, I'm sure you understand the difference between "it turns out that [...]" and "literally from the very beginning it is true that [...]". How can you compare being raised in Candlekeep by a wizard whose past you know nothing about to rushing through the planes on a nautiloid which is being attacked by githyanki and dragons?

 

[Wulfric Pinewood]

I will buy BG3 just for the sake of tradition but im very very affraid of Larian making it. I played about year ago and it looked and felt like a Divine D. clone.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

How can you compare being raised in Candlekeep

Because I know what candlekeep is?
start of BG3: you're kidnapped and have to escape
start of BG1: you're so important that you're kept in one of the safest places in the realms for your safety, then get attacked by an assassin who somehow got past the guards + magical wards

 

[Storyfag]

BG1 starts with you in candlekeep, a highly guarded fortress library of the world's most valuable and dangerous knowledge which is also incapable of keeping you safe because the danger is so great.
So you adventure with your stepfather -- a high ranking Harper who used to fight dragons and is friends with Elminster -- and watch him get murdered.
Then you are joined by two more Harper agents.

why do you guys always pretend these games are something they aren't? "wow bg1 was such a low stakes adventure..." ???? Only if you knew nothing at all about the forgotten realms I guess?

Shoo, Rusty! We had this discussion before. Keep it contained in the BG3 thread.

I'm tired of reading "BG1 was such a low stakes adventure!!!" tho
maybe if you just skipped over all the dialogue and thought it was an adventure about solving the iron crisis and you knew absolutely nothing about FR?

how many other games can you say that in the first hour you're moved from fantasy fort knox for your safety, your secret service bodyguard gets murdered, then have two more secret service bodyguards meet you to protect you because you're such a highly valuable target?

The importance of Gorion was never really hinted at in the beggining of the game. Harpers arent secret service, and Khalid and Jaheira are obviously as low ranking agents as Xzar and Monty are of the Zhentarim. Candlekeep is not fantasy fort knox (that'd be the Undermountain), just a very secure monastery. You don't even know that Elminster is Elminster for like half of the game.

 

[Melcar]

At the start of BG you don't know you are "the one". It's an RPG, if you put your mind into the PC you are just some poor orphan.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

BG1 starts with you in candlekeep, a highly guarded fortress library of the world's most valuable and dangerous knowledge which is also incapable of keeping you safe because the danger is so great.
So you adventure with your stepfather -- a high ranking Harper who used to fight dragons and is friends with Elminster -- and watch him get murdered.
Then you are joined by two more Harper agents.

why do you guys always pretend these games are something they aren't? "wow bg1 was such a low stakes adventure..." ???? Only if you knew nothing at all about the forgotten realms I guess?

Shoo, Rusty! We had this discussion before. Keep it contained in the BG3 thread.

I'm tired of reading "BG1 was such a low stakes adventure!!!" tho
maybe if you just skipped over all the dialogue and thought it was an adventure about solving the iron crisis and you knew absolutely nothing about FR?

how many other games can you say that in the first hour you're moved from fantasy fort knox for your safety, your secret service bodyguard gets murdered, then have two more secret service bodyguards meet you to protect you because you're such a highly valuable target?

The importance of Gorion was never really hinted at in the beggining of the game. Harpers arent secret service, and Khalid and Jaheira are obviously as low ranking agents as Xzar and Monty are of the Zhentarim. Candlekeep is not fantasy fort knox (that'd be the Undermountain), just a very secure monastery. You don't even know that Elminster is Elminster for like half of the game.

does the idea of an analogy not exist in your native language?

 

[Storyfag]

Because I know what candlekeep is?

You spoiled yourself, then. We don't get a glimpse of the silver dragon dracolich that protects it in the game. Compare and contrast with the nautiloid.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

Because I know what candlekeep is?

You spoiled yourself, then. We don't get a glimpse of the silver dragon dracolich that protects it in the game. Compare and contrast with the nautiloid.

"Knowing about the material the game is based on before you played it is just spoiling it!"
ummm ok

 

[Lagole Gon]

How can you compare being raised in Candlekeep

Because I know what candlekeep is?
start of BG3: you're kidnapped and have to escape
start of BG1: you're so important that you're kept in one of the safest places in the realms for your safety, then get attacked by an assassin who somehow got past the guards + magical wards

You are being dishonest by suggesting that Candlekeep from the game is the Candlekeep from FR lore. It's not.
There is no fucking ancient dragon demilich in the basements of BG Candlekeep. They have RATS instead.

What you are presented with IN THE GAME is a secluded monastery, foster father with a mysterious past and CHARNAME who is just an orphan.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

How can you compare being raised in Candlekeep

Because I know what candlekeep is?
start of BG3: you're kidnapped and have to escape
start of BG1: you're so important that you're kept in one of the safest places in the realms for your safety, then get attacked by an assassin who somehow got past the guards + magical wards

You are being dishonest by suggesting that Candlekeep from the game is the Candlekeep from FR lore. It's not.
There is no fucking ancient dragon demilich in the basements of BG Candlekeep. They have RATS instead.

What you are presented with IN THE GAME is a secluded monastery, foster father with a mysterious past and CHARNAME who is just an orphan.

not my fault the game is shit

 

[NJClaw]

The simple fact that you're defending this shows how desperate you are to increase your Larian Fanboy Cringeometer™.

"I'm an orphan raised in Candlekeep, my adoptive father has been assassinated" is a perfectly fine background that would be accepted in most sensible campaigns.
On the other hand, the clusterfuck that BG3 went for would be ridiculed by any player with even the smallest semblance of a functioning brain.

It's not Larian's fault, this is simply how things have to be presented to be accepted by the D&D 5 community. Why can't you accept it? Why do you have to pretend that this retarded pathetic excuse for a plot hook is even remotely similar to what BG1 did?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The simple fact that you're defending this shows how desperate you are to increase your Larian Fanboy Cringeometer™.

"I'm an orphan raised in Candlekeep, my adoptive father has been assassinated" is a perfectly fine background that would be accepted in most sensible campaigns.
On the other hand, the clusterfuck that BG3 went for would be ridiculed by any player with even the smallest semblance of a functioning brain.

It's not Larian's fault, this is simply how things have to be presented to be accepted by the D&D 5 community. Why can't you accept it? Why do you have to pretend that this retarded pathetic excuse for a plot hook is even remotely similar to what BG1 did?

how many orphans do you think candlekeep has, on average?
why would candlekeep have an orphan there, one of the worst possible places to raise a child?
literally the only reason to keep a child there would be if he's either dangerous to others or others are dangerous to him

if you thought you were some random orphan at the start of the game, then you only have your ignorance to blame

 

[Nano]

how many orphans do you think candlekeep has, on average?

How often do you think the Candlekeep monks have sex?

 

[rusty_shackleford]

If it's this easy to fool people they should make a star wars game where you're an orphan at a jedi temple and the big reveal is that you're actually a jedi

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

The reason(s?) why you guys keep on arguing with rusty totally eludes me.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The reason(s?) why you guys keep on arguing with rusty totally eludes me.

Because they(like you) know they're wrong but want to defend a terrible game they loved as a child.

 

[Jvegi]

Just so everyone knows, rusty thinks the only correct way to play BG is to ironman it on normal difficulty. Once. Anything else is cheating.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

normal

Spoiler

honestly don't remember what the difficulty levels were, but I doubt the highest was 'normal'

 

[Lagole Gon]

The simple fact that you're defending this shows how desperate you are to increase your Larian Fanboy Cringeometer™.

"I'm an orphan raised in Candlekeep, my adoptive father has been assassinated" is a perfectly fine background that would be accepted in most sensible campaigns.
On the other hand, the clusterfuck that BG3 went for would be ridiculed by any player with even the smallest semblance of a functioning brain.

It's not Larian's fault, this is simply how things have to be presented to be accepted by the D&D 5 community. Why can't you accept it? Why do you have to pretend that this retarded pathetic excuse for a plot hook is even remotely similar to what BG1 did?

how many orphans do you think candlekeep has, on average?
why would candlekeep have an orphan there, one of the worst possible places to raise a child?
literally the only reason to keep a child there would be if he's either dangerous to others or others are dangerous to him

if you thought you were some random orphan at the start of the game, then you only have your ignorance to blame

This is just weird autistposting for the sake of winning some imaginary game.
Here's some facts instead:
1. BG1 has a classic simple low-level start. An orphan in a peaceful secluded location. Basic stuff.
2. BG3 starts with you escaping a crashing illithid space ship. This alone would be fine for an adventure focused on illithids. But the space ship is flying through ABYSS because... adding another wildly different high-level theme to the intro will make it more epic? Does Michael Bay work for Larian? And the tadpole in your brain is not a regular eldritch alien tadpole... it's super special and magical (add another high level theme later).
3. This whole thing can be made worse by playing a pre-made character. Why would you be just a boring CHARNAME with a magical tadpole flying through hell when you can also have a netheril nuke in your ass?
4. This is all the very beginning. Throwing all this cacophony in your face.

 

[NJClaw]

The reason(s?) why you guys keep on arguing with rusty totally eludes me.

I can't speak for everyone, but, personally, I am desperately in love with him and willing to take every opportunity I have to make him notice me, so that one day WE WILL FUCK

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The simple fact that you're defending this shows how desperate you are to increase your Larian Fanboy Cringeometer™.

"I'm an orphan raised in Candlekeep, my adoptive father has been assassinated" is a perfectly fine background that would be accepted in most sensible campaigns.
On the other hand, the clusterfuck that BG3 went for would be ridiculed by any player with even the smallest semblance of a functioning brain.

It's not Larian's fault, this is simply how things have to be presented to be accepted by the D&D 5 community. Why can't you accept it? Why do you have to pretend that this retarded pathetic excuse for a plot hook is even remotely similar to what BG1 did?

how many orphans do you think candlekeep has, on average?
why would candlekeep have an orphan there, one of the worst possible places to raise a child?
literally the only reason to keep a child there would be if he's either dangerous to others or others are dangerous to him

if you thought you were some random orphan at the start of the game, then you only have your ignorance to blame

This is just weird autistposting for the sake of winning some imaginary game.
Here's some facts instead:
1. BG1 has a classic simple low-level start. An orphan in a peaceful secluded location. Basic stuff.
2. BG3 starts with you escaping a crashing illithid space ship. That alone would be fine for an adventure focused on illithids. But the space ship is flying through ABYSS because... adding another wildly different high-level theme to the intro will make it more epic? Does Michael Bay work for Larian? And the tadpole in your brain is not a regular eldritch alien tadpole... it's super special and magical (add another high level theme later).
3. This whole thing can be made worse by playing a pre-made character. Why would you be just a boring CHARNAME with a magical tadpole flying through hell when you can also have a netheril nuke in your ass?
4. This is all the very beginning. Throwing all this cacophony in your face.

I agree, BG3's start is more awesome which is why it's better than a bunch of empty screens with literally nothing except gibberlings.

 

[Jvegi]

honestly don't remember what the difficulty levels were, but I doubt the highest was 'normal'

It's insane. Like you.

 

[Lagole Gon]

The simple fact that you're defending this shows how desperate you are to increase your Larian Fanboy Cringeometer™.

"I'm an orphan raised in Candlekeep, my adoptive father has been assassinated" is a perfectly fine background that would be accepted in most sensible campaigns.
On the other hand, the clusterfuck that BG3 went for would be ridiculed by any player with even the smallest semblance of a functioning brain.

It's not Larian's fault, this is simply how things have to be presented to be accepted by the D&D 5 community. Why can't you accept it? Why do you have to pretend that this retarded pathetic excuse for a plot hook is even remotely similar to what BG1 did?

how many orphans do you think candlekeep has, on average?
why would candlekeep have an orphan there, one of the worst possible places to raise a child?
literally the only reason to keep a child there would be if he's either dangerous to others or others are dangerous to him

if you thought you were some random orphan at the start of the game, then you only have your ignorance to blame

This is just weird autistposting for the sake of winning some imaginary game.
Here's some facts instead:
1. BG1 has a classic simple low-level start. An orphan in a peaceful secluded location. Basic stuff.
2. BG3 starts with you escaping a crashing illithid space ship. That alone would be fine for an adventure focused on illithids. But the space ship is flying through ABYSS because... adding another wildly different high-level theme to the intro will make it more epic? Does Michael Bay work for Larian? And the tadpole in your brain is not a regular eldritch alien tadpole... it's super special and magical (add another high level theme later).
3. This whole thing can be made worse by playing a pre-made character. Why would you be just a boring CHARNAME with a magical tadpole flying through hell when you can also have a netheril nuke in your ass?
4. This is all the very beginning. Throwing all this cacophony in your face.

I agree, BG3's start is more awesome which is why it's better than a bunch of empty screens with literally nothing except gibberlings.

I can see how you achieved so many posts so quickly.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

The simple fact that you're defending this shows how desperate you are to increase your Larian Fanboy Cringeometer™.

"I'm an orphan raised in Candlekeep, my adoptive father has been assassinated" is a perfectly fine background that would be accepted in most sensible campaigns.
On the other hand, the clusterfuck that BG3 went for would be ridiculed by any player with even the smallest semblance of a functioning brain.

It's not Larian's fault, this is simply how things have to be presented to be accepted by the D&D 5 community. Why can't you accept it? Why do you have to pretend that this retarded pathetic excuse for a plot hook is even remotely similar to what BG1 did?

how many orphans do you think candlekeep has, on average?
why would candlekeep have an orphan there, one of the worst possible places to raise a child?
literally the only reason to keep a child there would be if he's either dangerous to others or others are dangerous to him

if you thought you were some random orphan at the start of the game, then you only have your ignorance to blame

This is just weird autistposting for the sake of winning some imaginary game.
Here's some facts instead:
1. BG1 has a classic simple low-level start. An orphan in a peaceful secluded location. Basic stuff.
2. BG3 starts with you escaping a crashing illithid space ship. That alone would be fine for an adventure focused on illithids. But the space ship is flying through ABYSS because... adding another wildly different high-level theme to the intro will make it more epic? Does Michael Bay work for Larian? And the tadpole in your brain is not a regular eldritch alien tadpole... it's super special and magical (add another high level theme later).
3. This whole thing can be made worse by playing a pre-made character. Why would you be just a boring CHARNAME with a magical tadpole flying through hell when you can also have a netheril nuke in your ass?
4. This is all the very beginning. Throwing all this cacophony in your face.

I agree, BG3's start is more awesome which is why it's better than a bunch of empty screens with literally nothing except gibberlings.

I can see how you achieved so many posts so quickly.

??? We were agreeing that BG3 is the superior game?

 

[Joggerino]

This is the bioware forum and not the place for discussing the POS early access garbage BG3.