Bard's Tale The Bard's Tale IV: Barrows Deep - Director's Cut

[Nyast]

The map legend is really annoying is a way. They cluster it with all useless things like fay puzzles yet they don't put important things like savepoints and weapon shrines.

Yeah, that and.. you can't write notes on the map either. And you can only see the map of the current area, you can't browse through all the areas you've already visited.

 

[Serus]

But it is an RPG. Wizardry 4 is the definition of a puzzle game with combat, except the puzzles are fucking dumb because if you die you have to restart. Boy I sure do love invisible minefields with no hints of the true path except trial and error.

What's with this obsession with Wizardry 4 of all games? It's not even widely considered particularly good among most people who actually like crpg from 80s, at least to my knowledge. My guess it's the only crpg from 80s you have ever played.
Ah and remember:

Don't fucking respond because it's true and I won't listen

 

[troupeg]

Popamole is the codexian term for "i dont like this new thing that isn't the same old same old waaah waaaah"

Retards

 

[troupeg]

What's with this obsession with Wizardry 4 of all games? It's not even widely considered particularly good among most people who actually like crpg from 80s, at least to my knowledge. My guess it's the only crpg from 80s you have ever played.
Ah and remember:

Hey, I'm just responding to the same attitude as nostalgia blind retards. Refuse to listen and just call you butthurt no matter how correct you are.

 

[Nyast]

I don’t understand how they thought the combat engine was a good idea. What the fuck is up with only having so many points to spend across your entire party? Has there ever been an RPG in history where every character doesn’t get to do something on their turn? The way this plays out, some characters can’t even act if you have a party bigger than the point pool available to you.

This isn't entirely true. While opportunity points are shared across the party, some party members still have indivudual abilities. Some skills are free (ex.: taunt ), and most spells use spell points ( so they're not using opporunity points ).

So the idea that adding more characters is useless because you can't use them due to the opportunity points is half true, half false. There are benefits to additional characters, but usually that won't be through more direct attacks.

 

[bataille]

So the short answer is: pretty much any time after 2-3 hours into the game, but to unlock all party members will take much, much longer ( whether you use NPCs or custom party members ): maybe 15-20 hours ?

... this is just so dumb. You make a 'sequel' to an oldschool party-based RPG and you gate full party size/creation for 15-20 hours? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

Actually, I'm playing the above mentioned Labyrinth of Refrain: Coven of Dusk, and it's got a pretty interesting system akin to that. Except there is no real 'full' party, but the so called Coven system allows you to equip squads is place of what in other blobbers would be an individual party member. So, 10 hours into the game, I keep discovering scrolls that allow to have, for example, 2 people attacking and 1 supporting them, all of them occupying a single slot. These squads have both passive bonuses and active magical skills assigned to them. You start out with just 3 people and can go to at least a dozen, I think, probably more. Technically, every Coven allows for up to 3 attackers and 5 supporters, and there is space for 5 covens. A very nifty mechanic which allows you to experiment with your party formation many, many hours into the game. Bard's tale system sounds a bit boring, though.

 

[Serus]

Did you spend 4 months lurking just so you could defend this heap of garbage, troupeg?

I mean, I can't fucking stand Wizardry and early MnMs but come on, BT4 is just stupid.

No, I'm just embarrassed to post on this website sometimes because of nostalgia blind idiots. It's why most of my posts are in Adventure Gaming because there's way less nostalgia blind idiots in that section.

But you have a total of 18 posts, at least half in THIS thread. Alt officially confirmed.
Roqua is that You? Hi, buddy.

 

[Themadcow]

Meh, Labyrinth of Refrain looks pretty good mechanics wise - the Disgaea influence is no bad thing in that respect. Shame it costs the insane sum of £50 in my region.

 

[fantadomat]

So the short answer is: pretty much any time after 2-3 hours into the game, but to unlock all party members will take much, much longer ( whether you use NPCs or custom party members ): maybe 15-20 hours ?

... this is just so dumb. You make a 'sequel' to an oldschool party-based RPG and you gate full party size/creation for 15-20 hours? Who the fuck thought that was a good idea?

You get a full party in like a hour of gameplay,maybe two if you go around exploring every nook and cranny. Also you don't need more than 3 companions,you don't have action points.

 

[Bohr]

At least the "those old games are all absolute shit" newfag routine never gets old

 

[newtmonkey]

I bought a bottle of shochu and am slowly working my way through it. When I get to the bottom I may be drunk enough to give this one another chance.

The stuff people have said about puzzles turns me off—especially when I was watching that streamer play later on in the game and he lost 45 mins of progress due to a bug in the combat that made it impossible to continue (having said that, the guy seemed kinda retarded [no offense meant if that guy is reading this for some reason], so maybe he just didn't bother to save or something).

It sounds like the game is pretty much linear with some side stuff to go back and do when you have leveled a bit, which reminds me of M&MX tbh, so I dunno. I don't mind a linear progression through the game, if the dungeons are fun to explore and figure out. But the puzzles all seem to be pushing boxes and sending fairies along paths? It sounds kinda like Talos Principle, and I guess I'd rather just play Talos Principle for that kinda stuff.

But we'll see! It's only 11pm and I have half a bottle yet to get through, so I might end up playing this in a few hours lol

 

[troupeg]

At least the "those old games are all absolute shit" newfag routine never gets old

"I like old stuff, but new stuff is good too" != "those old games are all absolute shit"
The "40 year old retard ignores actual argument for generalization" oldfag routine never gets old

 

[ProphetSword]

I don’t understand how they thought the combat engine was a good idea. What the fuck is up with only having so many points to spend across your entire party? Has there ever been an RPG in history where every character doesn’t get to do something on their turn? The way this plays out, some characters can’t even act if you have a party bigger than the point pool available to you.

This isn't entirely true. While opportunity points are shared across the party, some party members still have indivudual abilities. Some skills are free (ex.: taunt ), and most spells use spell points ( so they're not using opporunity points ).

So the idea that adding more characters is useless because you can't use them due to the opportunity points is half true, half false. There are benefits to additional characters, but usually that won't be through more direct attacks.

The fact that it’s half true and half false means that it’s true enough to make my point. I could understand giving each character a pool of points...but a whole party?

 

[aweigh]

Ok, never mind what I said earlier about Gord... troupeg is coming in hot!! This guy is showing true dedication.

 

[Andhaira]

Did this just take a massive drop in price? It's 11 bucks on steam currently

 

[agris]

Why are all the screenshots so blurry? It kinda hurts my eyes looking at them.

Because the only two options for antialiasing the game has are FXAA and TAA.

FXAA makes everything shimmery and horrible, while TAA just blurs the living fuck out of every single thing, hence the look of the screens.

You can fix this, I've tested it and it works.

If you're using the game's Temporal AA then I just found out you don't need to enable ReShade, instead you can use UE4's built-in sharpener settings:

- Add the following to the Engine.ini under the [SystemSettings]

r.Tonemapper.Sharpen=1.25 ; game default = 0
r.TemporalAASharpness=1.25 ; game default = 0

I found 1.25 a bit too sharp, but your mileage may vary. I'm using 1.20.

 

[Themadcow]

Did this just take a massive drop in price? It's 11 bucks on steam currently

Not on the UK Steam store - still showing full price. Only thing near 11 bucks is the Remasters.

 

[Andhaira]

Did this just take a massive drop in price? It's 11 bucks on steam currently

Not on the UK Steam store - still showing full price. Only thing near 11 bucks is the Remasters.

It's $11.99 for me for the Standard Edition on Steam. The other editions are similarly lower in price.

Edit: On GoG standard edition is $34.99

 

[Infinitron]

Pakistan price?

 

[Andhaira]

Pakistan price?

You know, if so I could buy a bunch of legit Steam keys and sell them to someone for less price than they would pay (say 28 bucks) and make a tidy profit.

 

[BEvers]

Today's patch notes from the EXCLUSIVE REVEAL STREAM:

 

[Gord]

Gah...

You're just deliberately being obtuse now, I hope, since otherwise I would be quite concerned about your mental faculties.
Anyway it's pretty telling that ad hominem arguments are all you can muster regarding the points I made.

 

[Themadcow]

Some Steam keys are region locked to the account they're purchased from. Pretty sure it's not that straightforward to buy a bunch of keys and resell them... but I might be wrong. If I am, then apparently Labyrinth of Refrain is 1/4 of the normal price in Norway :/

 

[Morkar Left]

Today's patch notes from the EXCLUSIVE REVEAL STREAM:

The game has a lot of similarities with RoA HD it seems... (Except with RoA HD there were only 2 guys working on it ofc with a budget of maybe 100K)

 

[aweigh]

You're just deliberately being obtuse now, I hope, since otherwise I would be quite concerned about your mental faculties.
Anyway it's pretty telling that ad hominem arguments are all you can muster regarding the points I made.

You've made none.