Bard's Tale The Bard's Tale Trilogy - remaster by Krome Studios

[AbounI]

What's considered to be a good time/level to change your mage's class?

Make sure your spellcasters have learned all their class spells as changing to another school is a no way back choice.

 

[Gord]

So it's condidered best to fully progress through a class and switch only then, in other words, after reaching character lvl 14 or such?

 

[Gregz]

What's considered to be a good time/level to change your mage's class?

Lvl 13, just make sure you've upgraded his spell level to 7 before changing.

 

[Filthy Sauce]

MY ENTIRE PARTY GOT POISONED FROM A TRAP! IT COSTS LIKE 800GP TO HEAL JUST ONE DUDE?!!? WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!?

 

[JBro]

MY ENTIRE PARTY GOT POISONED FROM A TRAP! IT COSTS LIKE 800GP TO HEAL JUST ONE DUDE?!!? WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!?

Skara Brae is actually in the USA.

 

[Gregz]

MY ENTIRE PARTY GOT POISONED FROM A TRAP! IT COSTS LIKE 800GP TO HEAL JUST ONE DUDE?!!? WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!?

This is where you are grateful for quicksave and save slots.

Back in the day, the only place you could save was at the AG. Believe me, this version is massive easy mode compared to how it was originally. Save often, load scummy.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

MY ENTIRE PARTY GOT POISONED FROM A TRAP! IT COSTS LIKE 800GP TO HEAL JUST ONE DUDE?!!? WHAT IS THIS SHIT?!?

Skara Brae is actually in the USA.

his fault for not having health insurance and trying to win the retard lottery

 

[Crispy]

Gregz, what determines a rogue's ability to detect traps? Just his or her level or does DEX or INT help at all?

 

[santino27]

Gregz, what determines a rogue's ability to detect traps? Just his or her level or does DEX or INT help at all?

I think it's just level. Of course, it's really 'points granted to disarm skill' upon leveling, so there's a pretty wide potential variance even at a given level. In the original version, you were better off using the trap spell instead. (And rogues sucked until BT2/3, if I remember correctly)

 

[Strange Fellow]

Gregz, what determines a rogue's ability to detect traps? Just his or her level or does DEX or INT help at all?

I think it's just level. Of course, it's really 'points granted to disarm skill' upon leveling, so there's a pretty wide potential variance even at a given level. In the original version, you were better off using the trap spell instead. (And rogues sucked until BT2/3, if I remember correctly)

Out of curiosity I looked it up in the manuals, and the one for the first game has no mention of stats affecting disarm rolls, while the one for the third explicitly states that it's influenced by Dex. I guess it depends on which game the remasters are based on, as the mechanics have been unified across all three now. It's true what you say, though, that the spell was the better option in the original. It probably still is.

 

[Gregz]

Gregz, what determines a rogue's ability to detect traps? Just his or her level or does DEX or INT help at all?

No idea. My party is 2 warriors and the rest archmages for max dakka (MIBL).

 

[octavius]

What's considered to be a good time/level to change your mage's class?

To quote from an old post (slightly editied) of mine:

In general I recommend developing Sorcerers, Wizards and Archmages ASAP. Start with base Conjurer or Magician class, then change to Sorcerer at level 7/spell level 3, and if possible switch back to the other base class after having gained the Sorcerer and Wizard lvl 7 spells. Gaining levels in the base classes is much faster than for the advenced classes, and current class level determines initiative (I'm fairly certain) and saving throws.
There are some differences between the games; no Archmage class in BT1, for example, so this is general advice.

Recommende parties:

BT1-2:
Paladin
Monk Hunter (assuming the Critical Hit bug is fixed).
Bard
Conjurer
Magician
Conjurer/Magician

Turn one mage into Archmage (learn all the spells), one into master Sorceror ASAP and the third into master Wizard ASAP.
In BT1 have them all end their careers in the opposite base class of that which they started in.
In BT2 the Archmage is a class.

You don't really need a Rogue, since the Hunter is a better killer and mages can just cast the cheap TRAPZAP spell at no risk.
EDIT: Although the Rogue's ability to Hide and attack monster that are far away should be quite useful at times.

 

[fabrulana]

What's considered to be a good time/level to change your mage's class?

You don't really need a Rogue, since the Hunter is a better killer and mages can just cast the cheap TRAPZAP spell at no risk.
EDIT: Although the Rogue's ability to Hide and attack monster that are far away should be quite useful at times.

Remembering one of my old battles in BT 3, my front line was battling hordes of creatures near me while the boss was sitting in the back laughing at me.
My rogue slowly crept up to him in the shadows though and took him out with a critical hit. The satisfaction was immense... I hope to experience this again.

 

[Dehumanizer]

Interesting, the gameview is bigger on more wider resolution:

FFS the 1280x600 version should be the default

The new beta patch adds that option to 16x9 resolutions:

https://steamcommunity.com/app/843260/discussions/0/1734336452557550408/

 

[slymer]

Do you guys save scum when levelling up your characters?

 

[octavius]

Save scumming is for pussies.

 

[Dehumanizer]

Do you guys save scum when levelling up your characters?

Nope. Never did so back then (and not just because I played the first game from cassette tape and it would have taken several minutes to do so ), wouldn't do it now.

It could be justified (though I, myself, wouldn't do it anyway) in Wizardry, especially in the DOS versions, where stats seemed to have as much chance of going down as of going up. In BT they only go up, so even if you don't get the stat you want the most for a character right now, you will still eventually end up with all 18s for everyone. Same with hit points: getting just one extra HP when leveling up may be frustrating once in a while, but it will even out in the end.

 

[fabrulana]

Save scumming is for pussies.

Look at your profile pic I assume you then do it?

 

[octavius]

Oh no, I never saw that one coming.

 

[slymer]

Do you guys save scum when levelling up your characters?

Nope. Never did so back then (and not just because I played the first game from cassette tape and it would have taken several minutes to do so ), wouldn't do it now.

It could be justified (though I, myself, wouldn't do it anyway) in Wizardry, especially in the DOS versions, where stats seemed to have as much chance of going down as of going up. In BT they only go up, so even if you don't get the stat you want the most for a character right now, you will still eventually end up with all 18s for everyone. Same with hit points: getting just one extra HP when leveling up may be frustrating once in a while, but it will even out in the end.

ok, good to know. I won't worry about my level up stats then.

 

[Dedup]

I noticed that the rogue has an Identify skill. I'm guessing it's for unidentified items but I can't seem to figure out how it works.

 

[Dehumanizer]

I noticed that the rogue has an Identify skill. I'm guessing it's for unidentified items but I can't seem to figure out how it works.

From what I've seen in the Steam discussions, it's not working yet. Thieves couldn't identify items in the original BT1 (in fact, they were mostly useless), but they've added some BT3 abilities to them in the remaster (such as critical hits), but apparently they still need some patching (besides identifying, in BT3 thieves could attack when hidden even in positions 5-7, but currently they can do so only from the front positions). Hopefully it'll be patched, in the future.

 

[Dehumanizer]

By the way, in the Mad God's temple, try saying that his name is "Burger".

AFAIK, only the IIGS version of BT1 included that "feature" (it's also in all BT3 versions, I think), so I guess they used it as a baseline.

 

[vonAchdorf]

Imagine buying a Fargo product, that doesn't feel like a scam.

I like the graphics more and more, they are charming and feel right for this kind of remake. They don't venture too far into the direction of Ukrainian hidden object games or Russian ultra detailed chrome.

 

[Crispy]

Interesting, in the beta patch the following two options have been added:

Add combat option to equip/unequip an item to make ranged combat more accessible.

Bows can now be equipped alongside melee weapons.