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The Codexian Saga LP
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The Barbarian
Liturgist
That is one interpretation of Codexia's proud history, true.
Hopefully, later today.
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TBH shit would be pretty boring if that wasn't the case and you know, we've survived so far in pretty all right condition.anus_pounder said:
Assuming you perceive a xenophobic ultra-religious society as being "all right".
The Barbarian
Liturgist
The Barbarian is a firm believer in plausible development. Human history is absolutely fraught with conflict and other retrogressive dynamics, so Codexia tends to reflect that historical trend. Overall, however, humanity has spread to over fifty worlds (with holdings on dozens of others) in just over three centuries, and is the most powerful known power in its immediate neighborhood.
... As they say: 'It could be worse.'
It does not help that this Council frequently votes for the 'interesting' option, rather than the conservative one.
... As they say: 'It could be worse.'
It does not help that this Council frequently votes for the 'interesting' option, rather than the conservative one.
anus_pounder
Arcane
All Things considered, I suspect it'll be the Amon or Lizards that mess with us. We just got internal strife under control, so a second civil war is far away. The Hin'in and Bros are powerful but spent and the rau are a shattered people.
The Barbarian
Liturgist
Friend Nickless, no, I would be careful about reading a political bent into the Barbarian's approach to simulating a socio-economic/political landscape. Conan loves Communist and Nazi alike.
anus_pounder
Arcane
Indeed, the Barbarian should engage in more intercourse with his loving fans.
I'm fairly confident the Amoneth won't be what causes us trouble. We specifically elected not to go to their sectors, and I'm pretty certain that's where we'd have encountered them.
There are 3 likely factions to crop up in the Phyr dead zone though.
1: Groups of Phyr. This one's virtually guaranteed. We know the Traitorous Teddybears (henceforth known as TeeTees) went back to resettle after spurning the benevolent codexians who sheltred them fron the lizards. The only question is how organized they are and how many there are of them. We'll probably have to knock a few heads together on their account, but c'est la vie.
2: Turanei. I hope we won't run into these -- They were scary before we got into a war with Phyr, Raumen, Bron and Commies, and who knows how badass they could've grown in the meantime if no other unknown races have opposed them? I take solace in knowing they didn't seem interested in expanding into the Phyr dead zone at all, opting to burn and sterilize planets rather than take them over.
3: Human colonists. This is what I'm guessing we'll run into. Cyber-moded, gene-spliced AI worshipping outcasts, none too happy to embrace Codexianity again.
There are 3 likely factions to crop up in the Phyr dead zone though.
1: Groups of Phyr. This one's virtually guaranteed. We know the Traitorous Teddybears (henceforth known as TeeTees) went back to resettle after spurning the benevolent codexians who sheltred them fron the lizards. The only question is how organized they are and how many there are of them. We'll probably have to knock a few heads together on their account, but c'est la vie.
2: Turanei. I hope we won't run into these -- They were scary before we got into a war with Phyr, Raumen, Bron and Commies, and who knows how badass they could've grown in the meantime if no other unknown races have opposed them? I take solace in knowing they didn't seem interested in expanding into the Phyr dead zone at all, opting to burn and sterilize planets rather than take them over.
3: Human colonists. This is what I'm guessing we'll run into. Cyber-moded, gene-spliced AI worshipping outcasts, none too happy to embrace Codexianity again.
anus_pounder
Arcane
2 and 3 are the only viable threats. The Phyr are no scientists and for all their population growth, thats only a threat if we invade them by ground.
laclongquan
Arcane
The Phyr could be the key, the flashing point for a new interstellar war starring Codexia. I will remind you that the Thirty Year War in Europe start with the lord of a little-medium land (Elector of Palantine) in medieval Germany, accepted to be the king of Bohemia a little not so large kingdom, and change the power balance in Europe. Bang!
The Raumen is weakened and on the whole, combined, weaker than us. The Hiin is weaken, although maybe weaker than us if our colonisation in Dead Zone remain unchecked. The Turanei may feel threatened/irritated that some new aliens start settling the blessedly no-sophont lands on their neighbourhood.
I look at the situation with hearts in the mouth, because it is so fraught with danger.
The Raumen is weakened and on the whole, combined, weaker than us. The Hiin is weaken, although maybe weaker than us if our colonisation in Dead Zone remain unchecked. The Turanei may feel threatened/irritated that some new aliens start settling the blessedly no-sophont lands on their neighbourhood.
I look at the situation with hearts in the mouth, because it is so fraught with danger.
anus_pounder
Arcane
The Barbarian
Liturgist
Patience begets reward, comrades.
Conan loves you all so much that he will finish the update at work tomorrow morning. When he should instead be toiling for his would-be masters. Little do they know that the Barbarian will brook no master but fate and his will.
Conan loves you all so much that he will finish the update at work tomorrow morning. When he should instead be toiling for his would-be masters. Little do they know that the Barbarian will brook no master but fate and his will.
anus_pounder
Arcane
LusciousPear
Savant
There's karmic consequences for everything.
Eventually! :D
Eventually! :D
The Barbarian
Liturgist
A New Age – Part Deux
The Respublican pioneers expanding the domain of Santi Maria in the Phyr Dead Zone did not truly know what to expect from the endeavor. The comms buoys were rife with rumors. The fabled Amoneth were never far from the proverbial mill. Neither were the dreaded Turanei, whose destruction of the Phyr from a century ago still elicited fear and wonderment in those who saw the ruins of that civilization first-hand. But, as the months wore on, no ships disappeared mysteriously. There were no unexplained sightings and no energy sources that required intense investigation by foolhardy Space officers and their well armed escorts. Rather, the exploitation of the Dead Zone was going smoothly, comfortably and even – strangely enough for a government project – remained on schedule! Everything was going very well. That is to say, it was all going very well, right up until the point when Respublican settlers stumbled upon a war in early 375AU.
The identity of the combatants was revealed quickly enough, and it proved itself to be quite a revelation, indeed. On the one side, there was a Phyr state, based around a small cluster of worlds (including a surviving splinter colony from the time before the large-scale annihilation of the Phyr nation at the hands of the Turanei) deep in the Zone. Though Codexian historians and policy planners knew that the significant Phyr refugee population in human space had left the Respublica for destinations unknown more than half a century ago, in order to escape perceived persecution at the hands of the rising Marianite movement, the scale of this resurgent state still took them by complete surprise. There were now quite obviously millions of Phyr living. Their population had exploded, since the immediate aftermath of their near-extinction. Further, it was apparent that they had been developing their small patch of space furiously, since the exodus from the old Republic.
The foe they were grappling with, however, was even more unsettling. They were humans! Well, they were humans in some capacity, at least. Their story - unraveled over several months of low-level, tentative contact with Respublican settlers and explorers - was bizarre. Back in the late 2nd century AU, when bio-mods and gen-mods were outlawed by various government regulations, tens of thousands of highly and irreversibly modified trans-humans were left in the lurch. Though some elected to stay and take their chances with increasingly discriminatory public and private behavior with regard to the visibly modified, tens of thousands fled government space. Since this was during the heyday of the colonial movement, a number of worlds were open to small communities of such individuals, who collectively bought land and settled it, thereafter. At some point, however, a plurality decided to go one step further, and left human space entirely. Since the Phyr Dead Zone promised vacant (if damaged), habitable worlds, that’s where they ended up, sometime between 225-250AU.
The deepest reaches of the Zone were settled, escaping the Codexian survey effort of the 260s by the closest of margins. Over the next century, the nascent Free Association of Independent Trans-Humanity (FAITH) developed rapidly. An industrial base was laboriously established, and a number of worlds settled by this ambitious collection of transhuman communities. While the rest of the human race was wracked by terrible civil conflict, they flourished. Cloning programs increased the population substantially, across the proceeding generations, and FAITH’s economy virtually exploded. When Adam-2 (True AI) schematics were smuggled in during the late 270s, the FAITH project experienced another quantum leap in development. The Free Association would continue to grow quickly, and by the Age of the Respublica, had come to represent a wholly different and fully realized notion of humanity. It was a society of the mind and of ideas, in which form had little import. As such, when the reborn ‘New’ Phyr Dominion came upon a FAITH settlement in the 360s – and after formal contact was established – the ursine aliens quickly realized their predicament.
This was a competitor in the Dead Zone, and not a minor neighbor to be overlooked and, perhaps, absorbed. Though relations stayed cool but correct for some time, their breakdown was almost inevitable. In late 368AU, as the general conflict known to many as the Hin’in War died down across the rest of the stellar region, a limited, but brutal conflict began between the New Phyr Dominion and the FAITH over the ownership of a formerly Phyr-inhabited world. Neither had serious warfighting resources or extensive armed forces, but they used small vessels, raiding forces and sheer bloody mindedness to inflict great damage upon one another. By the time the Respublican flotilla began making its way across the Zone, the fighting had reached its seventh year. It was an inconclusive, exhausting contest between foes that could not decisively damage one another. The immediate question is obvious: what action should the Respublican government take, with regard to these peoples?
Do you... ignore the conflict? Let us continue to colonize the Dead Zone. We have the forces on hand to protect our interests against any potential aggression by either the Phyr or the transhumans. They are minor annoyances, at best. We do not need to expend resources on such non-entities. Instead, let us continue to focus on our own concerns.
OR
Do you... assist our human brethren? The Phyr make war against our brothers. We must show them the error of their ways. They are weak; we are strong. This is a mismatch. The xeno must not be given the impression that he can attack humans without consequence or repercussion.
OR
Do you... assist the Phyr? We have lived alongside the ursine xeno. They are misguided, but not beyond comprehension. These transhumans, however... they are scum. Look what they do to their God-given bodies! Let us smash this FAITH. The heathen is salvageable; the heretic is not!
OR
Do you... suppress both? The Dead Zone is ours. Why would we share it? Did we not spend bucketloads of blood and treasure on achieving supremacy in our space? Let us teach these fools an object lesson.
The Respublican pioneers expanding the domain of Santi Maria in the Phyr Dead Zone did not truly know what to expect from the endeavor. The comms buoys were rife with rumors. The fabled Amoneth were never far from the proverbial mill. Neither were the dreaded Turanei, whose destruction of the Phyr from a century ago still elicited fear and wonderment in those who saw the ruins of that civilization first-hand. But, as the months wore on, no ships disappeared mysteriously. There were no unexplained sightings and no energy sources that required intense investigation by foolhardy Space officers and their well armed escorts. Rather, the exploitation of the Dead Zone was going smoothly, comfortably and even – strangely enough for a government project – remained on schedule! Everything was going very well. That is to say, it was all going very well, right up until the point when Respublican settlers stumbled upon a war in early 375AU.
The identity of the combatants was revealed quickly enough, and it proved itself to be quite a revelation, indeed. On the one side, there was a Phyr state, based around a small cluster of worlds (including a surviving splinter colony from the time before the large-scale annihilation of the Phyr nation at the hands of the Turanei) deep in the Zone. Though Codexian historians and policy planners knew that the significant Phyr refugee population in human space had left the Respublica for destinations unknown more than half a century ago, in order to escape perceived persecution at the hands of the rising Marianite movement, the scale of this resurgent state still took them by complete surprise. There were now quite obviously millions of Phyr living. Their population had exploded, since the immediate aftermath of their near-extinction. Further, it was apparent that they had been developing their small patch of space furiously, since the exodus from the old Republic.
The foe they were grappling with, however, was even more unsettling. They were humans! Well, they were humans in some capacity, at least. Their story - unraveled over several months of low-level, tentative contact with Respublican settlers and explorers - was bizarre. Back in the late 2nd century AU, when bio-mods and gen-mods were outlawed by various government regulations, tens of thousands of highly and irreversibly modified trans-humans were left in the lurch. Though some elected to stay and take their chances with increasingly discriminatory public and private behavior with regard to the visibly modified, tens of thousands fled government space. Since this was during the heyday of the colonial movement, a number of worlds were open to small communities of such individuals, who collectively bought land and settled it, thereafter. At some point, however, a plurality decided to go one step further, and left human space entirely. Since the Phyr Dead Zone promised vacant (if damaged), habitable worlds, that’s where they ended up, sometime between 225-250AU.
The deepest reaches of the Zone were settled, escaping the Codexian survey effort of the 260s by the closest of margins. Over the next century, the nascent Free Association of Independent Trans-Humanity (FAITH) developed rapidly. An industrial base was laboriously established, and a number of worlds settled by this ambitious collection of transhuman communities. While the rest of the human race was wracked by terrible civil conflict, they flourished. Cloning programs increased the population substantially, across the proceeding generations, and FAITH’s economy virtually exploded. When Adam-2 (True AI) schematics were smuggled in during the late 270s, the FAITH project experienced another quantum leap in development. The Free Association would continue to grow quickly, and by the Age of the Respublica, had come to represent a wholly different and fully realized notion of humanity. It was a society of the mind and of ideas, in which form had little import. As such, when the reborn ‘New’ Phyr Dominion came upon a FAITH settlement in the 360s – and after formal contact was established – the ursine aliens quickly realized their predicament.
This was a competitor in the Dead Zone, and not a minor neighbor to be overlooked and, perhaps, absorbed. Though relations stayed cool but correct for some time, their breakdown was almost inevitable. In late 368AU, as the general conflict known to many as the Hin’in War died down across the rest of the stellar region, a limited, but brutal conflict began between the New Phyr Dominion and the FAITH over the ownership of a formerly Phyr-inhabited world. Neither had serious warfighting resources or extensive armed forces, but they used small vessels, raiding forces and sheer bloody mindedness to inflict great damage upon one another. By the time the Respublican flotilla began making its way across the Zone, the fighting had reached its seventh year. It was an inconclusive, exhausting contest between foes that could not decisively damage one another. The immediate question is obvious: what action should the Respublican government take, with regard to these peoples?
Do you... ignore the conflict? Let us continue to colonize the Dead Zone. We have the forces on hand to protect our interests against any potential aggression by either the Phyr or the transhumans. They are minor annoyances, at best. We do not need to expend resources on such non-entities. Instead, let us continue to focus on our own concerns.
OR
Do you... assist our human brethren? The Phyr make war against our brothers. We must show them the error of their ways. They are weak; we are strong. This is a mismatch. The xeno must not be given the impression that he can attack humans without consequence or repercussion.
OR
Do you... assist the Phyr? We have lived alongside the ursine xeno. They are misguided, but not beyond comprehension. These transhumans, however... they are scum. Look what they do to their God-given bodies! Let us smash this FAITH. The heathen is salvageable; the heretic is not!
OR
Do you... suppress both? The Dead Zone is ours. Why would we share it? Did we not spend bucketloads of blood and treasure on achieving supremacy in our space? Let us teach these fools an object lesson.
The Barbarian
Liturgist
Since this is also a single option choice, the Barbarian would like to again utilize the system we used in the previous one.
Please do not collate the votes, until the Barbarian closes voting (and collates them himself).
Please do not collate the votes, until the Barbarian closes voting (and collates them himself).
Murk
Arcane
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I too want to re-integrate AI programs. My own decision would be to leave them be and continue on our merry way, however the marianite belief would be to subjugate both as the FAITHians have clearly left their "humanity" behind (as perceived by marianite bullshit).
O mighty barbarian, whose infinite wisdom is the shining beacon that guides us to greatness. Might this humble peon suggest an alternate voting scheme?
In this scheme, people list their choices in order of preference. The choice with least votes is eliminated, and those votes are then reallocated to their second preference. This continues until only 2 options remain and one reigns supreme.
For instance: Assuming the following votes
ABCD
ADCB
ACDB
BDAC
BADC
CBDA
CDBA
DBCA
This would see option D (one vote) eliminated, and change the votes to:
ABCD
ADCB
ACDB
BDAC
BADC
BCA
CBDA
CDBA
C is then eliminated, changing the final votes to:
ABCD
ADCB
ACDB
BDAC
BADC
BCA
BDA
BA
This still allows people to list votes in order of preference, but not to "downvote" options that are competing with their preferred choice.
In this scheme, people list their choices in order of preference. The choice with least votes is eliminated, and those votes are then reallocated to their second preference. This continues until only 2 options remain and one reigns supreme.
For instance: Assuming the following votes
ABCD
ADCB
ACDB
BDAC
BADC
CBDA
CDBA
DBCA
This would see option D (one vote) eliminated, and change the votes to:
ABCD
ADCB
ACDB
BDAC
BADC
BCA
CBDA
CDBA
C is then eliminated, changing the final votes to:
ABCD
ADCB
ACDB
BDAC
BADC
BCA
BDA
BA
This still allows people to list votes in order of preference, but not to "downvote" options that are competing with their preferred choice.
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