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The Codexian Saga LP

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by The Barbarian, May 8, 2010.

  1. anus_pounder Arcane

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    2 and 3 are the only viable threats. The Phyr are no scientists and for all their population growth, thats only a threat if we invade them by ground.
     
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  2. laclongquan Arcane

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    The Phyr could be the key, the flashing point for a new interstellar war starring Codexia. I will remind you that the Thirty Year War in Europe start with the lord of a little-medium land (Elector of Palantine) in medieval Germany, accepted to be the king of Bohemia a little not so large kingdom, and change the power balance in Europe. Bang!

    The Raumen is weakened and on the whole, combined, weaker than us. The Hiin is weaken, although maybe weaker than us if our colonisation in Dead Zone remain unchecked. The Turanei may feel threatened/irritated that some new aliens start settling the blessedly no-sophont lands on their neighbourhood.

    I look at the situation with hearts in the mouth, because it is so fraught with danger.
     
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  3. anus_pounder Arcane

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  4. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    Patience begets reward, comrades.

    :smug:

    Conan loves you all so much that he will finish the update at work tomorrow morning. When he should instead be toiling for his would-be masters. Little do they know that the Barbarian will brook no master but fate and his will.
     
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  5. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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  6. treave Arcane Patron

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  7. anus_pounder Arcane

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  8. LusciousPear Savant

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    MCA Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Shadorwun: Hong Kong
    There's karmic consequences for everything.


    Eventually! :D :M
     
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  9. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    A New Age – Part Deux

    The Respublican pioneers expanding the domain of Santi Maria in the Phyr Dead Zone did not truly know what to expect from the endeavor. The comms buoys were rife with rumors. The fabled Amoneth were never far from the proverbial mill. Neither were the dreaded Turanei, whose destruction of the Phyr from a century ago still elicited fear and wonderment in those who saw the ruins of that civilization first-hand. But, as the months wore on, no ships disappeared mysteriously. There were no unexplained sightings and no energy sources that required intense investigation by foolhardy Space officers and their well armed escorts. Rather, the exploitation of the Dead Zone was going smoothly, comfortably and even – strangely enough for a government project – remained on schedule! Everything was going very well. That is to say, it was all going very well, right up until the point when Respublican settlers stumbled upon a war in early 375AU.

    The identity of the combatants was revealed quickly enough, and it proved itself to be quite a revelation, indeed. On the one side, there was a Phyr state, based around a small cluster of worlds (including a surviving splinter colony from the time before the large-scale annihilation of the Phyr nation at the hands of the Turanei) deep in the Zone. Though Codexian historians and policy planners knew that the significant Phyr refugee population in human space had left the Respublica for destinations unknown more than half a century ago, in order to escape perceived persecution at the hands of the rising Marianite movement, the scale of this resurgent state still took them by complete surprise. There were now quite obviously millions of Phyr living. Their population had exploded, since the immediate aftermath of their near-extinction. Further, it was apparent that they had been developing their small patch of space furiously, since the exodus from the old Republic.

    The foe they were grappling with, however, was even more unsettling. They were humans! Well, they were humans in some capacity, at least. Their story - unraveled over several months of low-level, tentative contact with Respublican settlers and explorers - was bizarre. Back in the late 2nd century AU, when bio-mods and gen-mods were outlawed by various government regulations, tens of thousands of highly and irreversibly modified trans-humans were left in the lurch. Though some elected to stay and take their chances with increasingly discriminatory public and private behavior with regard to the visibly modified, tens of thousands fled government space. Since this was during the heyday of the colonial movement, a number of worlds were open to small communities of such individuals, who collectively bought land and settled it, thereafter. At some point, however, a plurality decided to go one step further, and left human space entirely. Since the Phyr Dead Zone promised vacant (if damaged), habitable worlds, that’s where they ended up, sometime between 225-250AU.

    The deepest reaches of the Zone were settled, escaping the Codexian survey effort of the 260s by the closest of margins. Over the next century, the nascent Free Association of Independent Trans-Humanity (FAITH) developed rapidly. An industrial base was laboriously established, and a number of worlds settled by this ambitious collection of transhuman communities. While the rest of the human race was wracked by terrible civil conflict, they flourished. Cloning programs increased the population substantially, across the proceeding generations, and FAITH’s economy virtually exploded. When Adam-2 (True AI) schematics were smuggled in during the late 270s, the FAITH project experienced another quantum leap in development. The Free Association would continue to grow quickly, and by the Age of the Respublica, had come to represent a wholly different and fully realized notion of humanity. It was a society of the mind and of ideas, in which form had little import. As such, when the reborn ‘New’ Phyr Dominion came upon a FAITH settlement in the 360s – and after formal contact was established – the ursine aliens quickly realized their predicament.

    This was a competitor in the Dead Zone, and not a minor neighbor to be overlooked and, perhaps, absorbed. Though relations stayed cool but correct for some time, their breakdown was almost inevitable. In late 368AU, as the general conflict known to many as the Hin’in War died down across the rest of the stellar region, a limited, but brutal conflict began between the New Phyr Dominion and the FAITH over the ownership of a formerly Phyr-inhabited world. Neither had serious warfighting resources or extensive armed forces, but they used small vessels, raiding forces and sheer bloody mindedness to inflict great damage upon one another. By the time the Respublican flotilla began making its way across the Zone, the fighting had reached its seventh year. It was an inconclusive, exhausting contest between foes that could not decisively damage one another. The immediate question is obvious: what action should the Respublican government take, with regard to these peoples?

    Do you... ignore the conflict? Let us continue to colonize the Dead Zone. We have the forces on hand to protect our interests against any potential aggression by either the Phyr or the transhumans. They are minor annoyances, at best. We do not need to expend resources on such non-entities. Instead, let us continue to focus on our own concerns.

    OR

    Do you... assist our human brethren? The Phyr make war against our brothers. We must show them the error of their ways. They are weak; we are strong. This is a mismatch. The xeno must not be given the impression that he can attack humans without consequence or repercussion.

    OR

    Do you... assist the Phyr? We have lived alongside the ursine xeno. They are misguided, but not beyond comprehension. These transhumans, however... they are scum. Look what they do to their God-given bodies! Let us smash this FAITH. The heathen is salvageable; the heretic is not!

    OR

    Do you... suppress both? The Dead Zone is ours. Why would we share it? Did we not spend bucketloads of blood and treasure on achieving supremacy in our space? Let us teach these fools an object lesson.
     
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  10. treave Arcane Patron

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    Goddammit.

    AI? They still have AI?

    Are we stable enough to absorb them and still keep our bloody-minded drive towards the dominance of humanity?

    I want to take them.

    Stability risks be damned.

    What a tough choice.
     
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  11. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    Since this is also a single option choice, the Barbarian would like to again utilize the system we used in the previous one.

    Please do not collate the votes, until the Barbarian closes voting (and collates them himself).
     
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  12. Murk Arcane

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    I too want to re-integrate AI programs. My own decision would be to leave them be and continue on our merry way, however the marianite belief would be to subjugate both as the FAITHians have clearly left their "humanity" behind (as perceived by marianite bullshit).
     
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  13. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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    O mighty barbarian, whose infinite wisdom is the shining beacon that guides us to greatness. Might this humble peon suggest an alternate voting scheme?

    In this scheme, people list their choices in order of preference. The choice with least votes is eliminated, and those votes are then reallocated to their second preference. This continues until only 2 options remain and one reigns supreme.

    For instance: Assuming the following votes

    ABCD
    ADCB
    ACDB
    BDAC
    BADC
    CBDA
    CDBA
    DBCA

    This would see option D (one vote) eliminated, and change the votes to:

    ABCD
    ADCB
    ACDB
    BDAC
    BADC
    BCA
    CBDA
    CDBA

    C is then eliminated, changing the final votes to:

    ABCD
    ADCB
    ACDB
    BDAC
    BADC
    BCA
    BDA
    BA

    This still allows people to list votes in order of preference, but not to "downvote" options that are competing with their preferred choice.
     
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  14. treave Arcane Patron

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    BADC

    Ah, screw consistency. No single government is a monolithic, unchanging entity with policies that never waver anyway. If we're lucky this will lead to reforms of Marianism. If we're not, Civil War III here we come.
     
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  15. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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    Hm. I really wouldn't mind reintegrating with our lost human brothers and getting some sweet, sweet AI tech. How do you guys think our chances are at convincing the public that the aliens are the true enemy, and our misguided human brothers should be welcomed back into the fold? All things considered, we could probably curbstomp the phyr with our shielded stealthships. Getting the scientific advances of FAITH integrated into our society might be the boost we need to become top dog in the sector a decade down the line. Even if it would result in political instability in the short term.
     
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  16. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    The Barbarian accedes to this, seeing as it is about the fifth time it has been proposed.

    Very well, order your votes by preference, if you will. If it serves our democratic needs, it will do.
     
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  17. treave Arcane Patron

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    Public reaction depends on whether we're going to forcefully reintegrate the transhumans in the form of Marianism. If we do it peacefully and mould a more open society conducive to FAITH some lingering Commo remnants may be unhappy at the biased treatment. Our more faithful folk will also be angry at this blatant transgression of the doctrine of a ‘pure body’. If we do it by force, only seeking their technology, everything would probably be okay but we will drift even further down the path of blind dogmatism.
     
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  18. Radech Augur

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    BADC - yeah i wanna have fun with the genmods too, we'll just have to spin this one right, how about reunification with our lost brothers, unfairly ousted by the vanity of the past regime - vassalage or alliance would be good, reintegration harder, and less beneficial I think. Can't they get in on a good samaritan wildcard, just by virtue of being more human than anything we've bombed or been bombed by..
     
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  19. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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    Hm... I'm fairly certain I want to go with B. As much as I love our little god-racket (ALL HAIL SANTI MARIA!), the LP could do with a change of gears. I hope the rest of you are willing to take a leap of faith with me on this one. We're probably going to have internal strife and political unrest as a result, but if we can merge semi-peacefully with FAITH, I think we're going to be better off a few years down the road. It could also lead to some very interesting C&C when we have to decide which parts of FAITH and which parts of Marianism to keep in the hybrid monstrosity we'll create.
    :mhd:

    Right now, we have heard nothing from the Amoneth or Turanei. the Raumen, Hi'in and Bron are licking their wounds after a long, exhausting war. This is the best time to risk short-term vulnerability for long-term gain, as there aren't any serious contenders to capitalize on our weakness.

    My vote (subject to change if someone makes a very convincing argument):
    BADC
     
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  20. treave Arcane Patron

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    The internal strife that results will be quite a bit greater than if we had peacefully integrated the Commo.

    Only chance is if FAITH is truly transcendental in mind and does not have its citizens engage in depraved bodily pleasures.
     
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  21. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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    The commo deserved everything they got though. They stabbed us in the back when we were in the middle of a war to save humanity. Then stabbed us in the back again after we kicked the Hi'ins asses for them and threatened to nuke the cradle of Man. My sole regret is that we didn't commit tasteful Genocide on their asses.
    In contrast FAITH did was leave peacefully to settle worlds outside Marianite juristiction. They broke no laws, they took only the resources they had legally obtained and they didn't seek to harm us in the slightest.

    The biggest problem I see at the moment is wether or not FAITH is interested in rejoining the glory of Codexia. Their mindset seems to have diverged signifigantly from ours, and we'll have to understand them before we know what to offer. Hopefully, our undisputed military might can win us a close alliance in the short term, opening up for unification in the long term.
     
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  22. treave Arcane Patron

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    There are some things which appear to be the truth, which have all the hallmarks of truth, but which are not the real truth. The real truth must sometimes be protected by a labyrinth of lies…

    I mean, that which appears to our senses is not the fundamental truth. Things that are seen and heard and done by the flesh are mere shadows of a deeper reality…

    And thus the trivial truth is that our brethren have merely given up purity of the body and debased themselves in corrupt flesh. But in the deepest sense of the truth, by forsaking their bodily salvation they have made themselves stronger of mind so as to accept spiritual salvation more easily, and so it is that, surely, just as they have readily given up their body, we must readily avail our resources to aid them in their quest for the salvation of their soul.

    It is a path not meant for all devotees of Santi Maria. Most of us serve better as we are, unaltered, obeying, disciplined, mindful. But for those who are tortured and feel confined by their cage of flesh, who yearn to have their mind set free, this is the path they must suffer, the path of corrupt flesh, in order to both ensure their eternal salvation and that they may better serve the spreading of the Light of Santi Maria.
     
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  24. laclongquan Arcane

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    I like integrating humanity the most but I fear this shall not be possible. It's a devil advocate position so I will elaborate:

    These humans flee Codexia in fears of oppressions, of limited freedoms, of pogroms and genocide (in case of AI). What make them any less fearful of our current regime who has just swallowed the Commonwealth and just cooled down a bloody campaign of terror on multiple worlds? What make them believe our hardly believable proposals? To them we are their nightmares walking.

    These bears are the same. They wont forget that we fought their ancestor in the last Destruction War. They wont forget that we stood aside while their worlds burnt and died. And even though we took in a few of their ancestors, that is just so we can inherit these dead worlds. They wont forget that their life in Codexia was hardly a thing of rose and light: oppression, xenophobia... They wont forget that they flee for their life not so long ago. To them, the current Codexia is 800 trilion tons Monster.

    What is more, is that they both fear Codexia than each other. If we ever try to attack both of them at once (which we can, I think), they will easily united to stand against us. that is a ruinous war. We can win but the price of victory is hardly worth the effort to do it in 1st place.

    This is the time when our karmas come back and bit us in the ass. We have no chance at all of reconcilation as of now. Our credit are zero to them.

    The best choice we have is that move along, colonize other places and ignore both of them for now. If you ever want to recontact and open trade with them, let them alone for their inconclusive war. That will stop in a very short while now that we are here. If we are lucky, one of them will contact us. THAT is the moment of possible diplomatic success.

    MY choice is
    AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA

    I will not vote on any other.
     
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  25. treave Arcane Patron

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    To pose a question to the Barbarian; how dogmatic are the following classes of people in the Respublica at present?

    1) The leaders

    2) The bureaucrats, administrators, people tasked with carrying out their orders

    3) The people

    How malleable is their faith? Is there room for reform in Marianism or is the resistance to change absolute in view of the current 'boom times'?

    edit: I'd say the Devil's Advocate position would be to weigh in on the side of the Phyr. Nothing wrong with keeping out of the war and minding our own business, actually.
     
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