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The Codexian Saga LP
- Thread starter The Barbarian
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madbringer
Arcane
treave said:
You... you're endorsing peace talks? Encouraging them?
What have you done with the real Treave, villain? :evil:
That being said, i support the 5 -point-plan.
The Barbarian
Liturgist
Conan is willing to wait another three hours, or so.
The Barbarian
Liturgist
Very much so stretching the definition of a 'short paragraph of no more than one hundred words', but Conan accepts the above.
Having said that, the experiment is ended.
EDIT:
Having read the 5-point plan... Oh God. Strap yourselves in, boys.
Having said that, the experiment is ended.
EDIT:
Having read the 5-point plan... Oh God. Strap yourselves in, boys.
laclongquan
Arcane
Oh boy:
AI influence on both economy and the inner circle of decisionmakers?
AI release to aliens?
Oh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boy!
AI influence on both economy and the inner circle of decisionmakers?
AI release to aliens?
Oh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boyOh boy!
And no more ban on bio-mods and genetic engineering! If ever we shackled ourselves, then it was that decision..
We need to diversify biologically if we're to overcome what lies ahead.
Seriously, a true spacefaring species would probably have sub-races specially developed (or bred) for zero-gravity, sub-earth gravity and high-gravity work. To think we should stay more or less genetically the same is a bit silly, in my opinion.
Forward Codexia!
We need to diversify biologically if we're to overcome what lies ahead.
Seriously, a true spacefaring species would probably have sub-races specially developed (or bred) for zero-gravity, sub-earth gravity and high-gravity work. To think we should stay more or less genetically the same is a bit silly, in my opinion.
Forward Codexia!
The Barbarian
Liturgist
In Hephaestus' Forge, in Hell's Kitchen
That is what they would come to call it, much later: the Age of Fire. A dark time of great pain and terrible loss for humanity, as a whole. History, for its part, would remember this Age as a grievous wound to human ambitions and aspirations. The Codexian state had faced trials aplenty during its first two and a half centuries of life, but when the Hin'in War began winding down in abject failure (at least, that is how the public saw it) and the Commonwealth broke away in protest against increasing centralization and an onerous tax burden, the floodgates of misery opened wide. The government, desperately hoping to arrest the chain reaction before it truly began, responded with a now-famous 'Five Point Plan'. This set of sweeping reforms would see the governance of Codexian space undergo a monumental shift. It was to give rise to the 'Neo-Codexian Republic'; a new state institution for a renewed nation.
Furthermore, it was intended to provide a platform for peace with the Hin'in, friendship with the Raumen, liberalization of goods and services within Codexia, the extension of civil rights to AIs and, most of all, reconciliation with the Commonwealth. Its grand aims would come to be matched only by its extraordinary failure and disastrous results. Bad enough that the government had failed to competently wage war against the 'dreaded Hin'in menace', now, in the afterglow of that awful failure, it sought to pussyfoot with the separatists and enshrine the right to various formerly criminal vices for the public. The extremely conservative core worlders, who made up more than sixty percent of the total population, recoiled in horror. Rioting began. Within weeks, full blown civil disturbances were recorded on more than a dozen worlds. A month later, as the plan began to be implemented, several planetary governments began forming militias.
The homeworld itself was deeply divided. Some saw sense in extending a hand of friendship and reconciliation to various enemies of the state (and advantage in the liberalization process it engendered). Others saw a government attempting to repair incredible economic damage and serious social unrest by offering a tax-free membership to the new 'NCR' for the entirety of the Raumeni population (more than thirteen billion sentients), all of whom the government and the tax-paying human populace would have to support. The citizens of the Commonwealth saw no point in the association offered, as it gave them few advantages and a host of well remembered disadvantages. Some asked the obvious questions: 'No taxes or the draft for five years, and then what? More kow-towing to a centralized government body looking to suck our veins dry the next time a big war comes around? No, thank you. Oh, a DECENTRALIZED government body, you say? Sure. But for how long? Until the next big war comes around? Once again, no thank you.'
The core worlders were thus angry and divided over the incredibly nebulous government plan to deal with the Raumeni and the Commonwealth, and they could not believe that the government was ready to give free license to all those scum who sought to change the human form at its most basic level. AIs, who had never asked for citizenship or civil rights, were suddenly afforded the former with no real explanation. More astonishingly, they were therefore also given the opportunity to join the government. An already suspicious population was utterly incredulous. They asked questions of their own: 'Are we to be ruled by machines? A seat on the council today, right. Then tomorrow, a seat on the throne, perhaps?' The unrest began taking on dangerous proportions.
Government negotiations with the Hin'in and the Raumen also failed spectacularly. The Hin'in were insulted to be dealt with by AIs, for starters. When the humans later demanded full Hin'in withdrawal from Raumen space, the Hin'in could only laugh. What were the humans going to do about it, in any case? The Raumen, to whom the very idea of authority is anathema, responded very negatively to human offers of membership in the NCR. In fact, their response would better be described as 'threatening' and 'hostile'. While they no longer considered the humans to be a serious opponent in regaining sovereignty (that honor now fell almost wholly to the Hin'in), they were no longer in any mood to co-operate with them. Humanity's ambassadors were simply told to vacate Raumen space, as soon as possible - or else. The 'or else' never eventuated, as the Codexian Civil War began in 270AU, and necessitated a full military pull-out from Raumen space. The incredibly bloody conflict in question started when a military coup-de-tat on Codexia itself failed to kill off the entirety of the ruling government, after a surprise attack on a Council session. It seems as if many in the military had simply had enough. The leaders responsible had ties to a number of right-wing conservative groups in the core worlds, and had a great deal of support there. That support only grew, thereafter.
Let us set the mood. Click for musical pleasure.
When the government managed to muster a number of formations still loyal to the Constitution and its authority, a devastating conflict wracked the cradle of Codexianity. Battle lines were rapidly drawn. Sadly, the two sides were too evenly matched for a quick, clean and decisive conflict. The Neo-Liberals, led by Councilman Ezekiel Root, fought to bring about their re-envisioning of Codexian values in the new era. The True Codexians, under Brigadier General Quan Long III, instead aimed to return Codexia to its original ideals - the ideals that had brought them greatness, in their eyes. A long and harrowing conflict developed, thereafter. The first battles occurred on Co-Earth (and especially around the capital, itself), but the wildfires of war swept over the rest of the Codexian Federal Republic with astonishing rapidity. By March 270AU, every Codexian planet was embroiled in the strife. The fleet and the army more or less fell apart. Internecine slaughter smashed the military's already badly weakened forces - few commanders were able to prevent former comrades-in-arms from killing each other over ideological differences.
It was brother against brother; liberal against conservative; core worlder against fringer - and just about every other archetype existent against its nemesis and counterpart. Tens of thousands were dead within months. Then hundreds of thousands, as steadily more terrible weapons were used to gain an advantage. It was mostly ground fighting, but was all the more horrific because of it. Needless to say, the economic fallout was apocalyptic. Trade basically stopped, as the civil war intensified further and further. Refugees flooded into Commonwealth space, looking for safety. But even the Commonwealth provided no guaranteed sanctuary, as the reactionaries used some of the fleet units loyal to them to harangue traffic entering Commonwealth territory, and instructed them to maraud, once inside the Commonwealth. AIs were unwitting - and perhaps the most innocent - victims of the worsening ordeal. On the core worlds, they were amongst the first to be targeted, as symbols of the civic reformation. Lacking human egos, they allowed their servers to be viciously attacked. Thousands of AIs were 'disabled' over the course of 270AU.
Drawn out battles began attaining names, and therefore places in humanity's historical lore: the Battle of Unification City; the Second Battle of Unification City; the Battle for the Tipstien Wells; the Coanatolian Campaign; the Coindian Campaign; the War for Haven etc. Great commanders emerged from the heat of battle, and many a new legend was forged. But war... war never changes. It is a magnificent, terrifying and an uncontrollable beast. And it would devour many more Codexians, before it had had its fill.
Overall, the conflict is in the balance. You represent a number of worlds hitherto largely spared from the worst of the fighting. Your industrial and economic strength remains (relatively) intact. The Neo-Liberals and the True Codexians are locked in a struggle to the death. Many millions will likely die, before this conflict is ended. The way that conclusion is reached will alter Codexia's future, forever. You must make a choice.
Do you... back the conservative True Codexians?
OR
Do you... back the Neo-Liberals?
OR
Do you... stay neutral and observe, for now?
That is what they would come to call it, much later: the Age of Fire. A dark time of great pain and terrible loss for humanity, as a whole. History, for its part, would remember this Age as a grievous wound to human ambitions and aspirations. The Codexian state had faced trials aplenty during its first two and a half centuries of life, but when the Hin'in War began winding down in abject failure (at least, that is how the public saw it) and the Commonwealth broke away in protest against increasing centralization and an onerous tax burden, the floodgates of misery opened wide. The government, desperately hoping to arrest the chain reaction before it truly began, responded with a now-famous 'Five Point Plan'. This set of sweeping reforms would see the governance of Codexian space undergo a monumental shift. It was to give rise to the 'Neo-Codexian Republic'; a new state institution for a renewed nation.
Furthermore, it was intended to provide a platform for peace with the Hin'in, friendship with the Raumen, liberalization of goods and services within Codexia, the extension of civil rights to AIs and, most of all, reconciliation with the Commonwealth. Its grand aims would come to be matched only by its extraordinary failure and disastrous results. Bad enough that the government had failed to competently wage war against the 'dreaded Hin'in menace', now, in the afterglow of that awful failure, it sought to pussyfoot with the separatists and enshrine the right to various formerly criminal vices for the public. The extremely conservative core worlders, who made up more than sixty percent of the total population, recoiled in horror. Rioting began. Within weeks, full blown civil disturbances were recorded on more than a dozen worlds. A month later, as the plan began to be implemented, several planetary governments began forming militias.
The homeworld itself was deeply divided. Some saw sense in extending a hand of friendship and reconciliation to various enemies of the state (and advantage in the liberalization process it engendered). Others saw a government attempting to repair incredible economic damage and serious social unrest by offering a tax-free membership to the new 'NCR' for the entirety of the Raumeni population (more than thirteen billion sentients), all of whom the government and the tax-paying human populace would have to support. The citizens of the Commonwealth saw no point in the association offered, as it gave them few advantages and a host of well remembered disadvantages. Some asked the obvious questions: 'No taxes or the draft for five years, and then what? More kow-towing to a centralized government body looking to suck our veins dry the next time a big war comes around? No, thank you. Oh, a DECENTRALIZED government body, you say? Sure. But for how long? Until the next big war comes around? Once again, no thank you.'
The core worlders were thus angry and divided over the incredibly nebulous government plan to deal with the Raumeni and the Commonwealth, and they could not believe that the government was ready to give free license to all those scum who sought to change the human form at its most basic level. AIs, who had never asked for citizenship or civil rights, were suddenly afforded the former with no real explanation. More astonishingly, they were therefore also given the opportunity to join the government. An already suspicious population was utterly incredulous. They asked questions of their own: 'Are we to be ruled by machines? A seat on the council today, right. Then tomorrow, a seat on the throne, perhaps?' The unrest began taking on dangerous proportions.
Government negotiations with the Hin'in and the Raumen also failed spectacularly. The Hin'in were insulted to be dealt with by AIs, for starters. When the humans later demanded full Hin'in withdrawal from Raumen space, the Hin'in could only laugh. What were the humans going to do about it, in any case? The Raumen, to whom the very idea of authority is anathema, responded very negatively to human offers of membership in the NCR. In fact, their response would better be described as 'threatening' and 'hostile'. While they no longer considered the humans to be a serious opponent in regaining sovereignty (that honor now fell almost wholly to the Hin'in), they were no longer in any mood to co-operate with them. Humanity's ambassadors were simply told to vacate Raumen space, as soon as possible - or else. The 'or else' never eventuated, as the Codexian Civil War began in 270AU, and necessitated a full military pull-out from Raumen space. The incredibly bloody conflict in question started when a military coup-de-tat on Codexia itself failed to kill off the entirety of the ruling government, after a surprise attack on a Council session. It seems as if many in the military had simply had enough. The leaders responsible had ties to a number of right-wing conservative groups in the core worlds, and had a great deal of support there. That support only grew, thereafter.
Let us set the mood. Click for musical pleasure.
When the government managed to muster a number of formations still loyal to the Constitution and its authority, a devastating conflict wracked the cradle of Codexianity. Battle lines were rapidly drawn. Sadly, the two sides were too evenly matched for a quick, clean and decisive conflict. The Neo-Liberals, led by Councilman Ezekiel Root, fought to bring about their re-envisioning of Codexian values in the new era. The True Codexians, under Brigadier General Quan Long III, instead aimed to return Codexia to its original ideals - the ideals that had brought them greatness, in their eyes. A long and harrowing conflict developed, thereafter. The first battles occurred on Co-Earth (and especially around the capital, itself), but the wildfires of war swept over the rest of the Codexian Federal Republic with astonishing rapidity. By March 270AU, every Codexian planet was embroiled in the strife. The fleet and the army more or less fell apart. Internecine slaughter smashed the military's already badly weakened forces - few commanders were able to prevent former comrades-in-arms from killing each other over ideological differences.
It was brother against brother; liberal against conservative; core worlder against fringer - and just about every other archetype existent against its nemesis and counterpart. Tens of thousands were dead within months. Then hundreds of thousands, as steadily more terrible weapons were used to gain an advantage. It was mostly ground fighting, but was all the more horrific because of it. Needless to say, the economic fallout was apocalyptic. Trade basically stopped, as the civil war intensified further and further. Refugees flooded into Commonwealth space, looking for safety. But even the Commonwealth provided no guaranteed sanctuary, as the reactionaries used some of the fleet units loyal to them to harangue traffic entering Commonwealth territory, and instructed them to maraud, once inside the Commonwealth. AIs were unwitting - and perhaps the most innocent - victims of the worsening ordeal. On the core worlds, they were amongst the first to be targeted, as symbols of the civic reformation. Lacking human egos, they allowed their servers to be viciously attacked. Thousands of AIs were 'disabled' over the course of 270AU.
Drawn out battles began attaining names, and therefore places in humanity's historical lore: the Battle of Unification City; the Second Battle of Unification City; the Battle for the Tipstien Wells; the Coanatolian Campaign; the Coindian Campaign; the War for Haven etc. Great commanders emerged from the heat of battle, and many a new legend was forged. But war... war never changes. It is a magnificent, terrifying and an uncontrollable beast. And it would devour many more Codexians, before it had had its fill.
Overall, the conflict is in the balance. You represent a number of worlds hitherto largely spared from the worst of the fighting. Your industrial and economic strength remains (relatively) intact. The Neo-Liberals and the True Codexians are locked in a struggle to the death. Many millions will likely die, before this conflict is ended. The way that conclusion is reached will alter Codexia's future, forever. You must make a choice.
Do you... back the conservative True Codexians?
OR
Do you... back the Neo-Liberals?
OR
Do you... stay neutral and observe, for now?
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ITZ HERE
I wonder if the Barbarian may enlighten us on how effective the support of this third party we represent will be? Basically, will it be decisive enough that we will either have a Liberal or Traditional future at this point, depending on which we support, or if we stay out of it, we get to forge a new path free of those two influences (i.e. if we wish, totalitarian fascism)?
edit: Horrible ground fighting, terrible weapons utilized... FUCK YEAH NEW EXTERMINATION TOYS. ABOUT TIME.
I wonder if the Barbarian may enlighten us on how effective the support of this third party we represent will be? Basically, will it be decisive enough that we will either have a Liberal or Traditional future at this point, depending on which we support, or if we stay out of it, we get to forge a new path free of those two influences (i.e. if we wish, totalitarian fascism)?
edit: Horrible ground fighting, terrible weapons utilized... FUCK YEAH NEW EXTERMINATION TOYS. ABOUT TIME.
Nickless
Educated
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Multikult has destroyed us! We must turn to GRIMDARK solutions.
Of these choices, which will be the most tyrannical? I take it the True Codexians still support a democracy, as do the neo-liberals, it's just a question of federalism? I think it's time that we form an Imperial Army and squish all opposition.
Of these choices, which will be the most tyrannical? I take it the True Codexians still support a democracy, as do the neo-liberals, it's just a question of federalism? I think it's time that we form an Imperial Army and squish all opposition.
The Barbarian
Liturgist
The Barbarian assures you that each of the above choices will have a significant impact on the outcome of the civil war. There may be more choice junctions before it is fully resolved, but this is certainly the first step.
Luan
Educated
I came.
I applaud the barbarian for his narrative talent.
I vote grimdark. Just how that may be achieved... I must further ponder this. A or C... A or C...
I applaud the barbarian for his narrative talent.
I vote grimdark. Just how that may be achieved... I must further ponder this. A or C... A or C...
laclongquan
Arcane
Sigh~
Post Apocalyptic Worlds, here we come!
Anyway, more background intelligence first
Who we are? Coreworlders or Fringers? How much of a portion of fleet do we hold? Where we are in the starmap: near Turanei, near Raumen, what?
Post Apocalyptic Worlds, here we come!
Anyway, more background intelligence first
Who we are? Coreworlders or Fringers? How much of a portion of fleet do we hold? Where we are in the starmap: near Turanei, near Raumen, what?
laclongquan
Arcane
Anyway, the ways of the past are discredited in public eyes, so let's fuck them all.
Let's stay Neutral so we can build a Neo Codexia Republic from scratch.
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Let's stay Neutral so we can build a Neo Codexia Republic from scratch.
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The Barbarian
Liturgist
Well, that is undefined, really. The Barbarian has intentionally posed the question in such a way as to leave the specifics ambiguous and open to clarification and exploration in later updates.
The voting body is being asked to decide how this conflict will play out. 'You' are the 'tipping point'. So, tip.
That is to say, if you vote A, then perhaps this represents the emergence of a 'hub' of core worlds that resolve their internal conflicts and begin influencing the war on a strategic scale.
C, therefore, is a good option for those who wish the conflict to do more damage to the existing order of things. Who knows what the people may accept, if they undergo enough 'punishment'?
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In any case, foreign policy-wise it seems that we were too weak militarily to back up any of our requests. Doesn't seem like there would've been any real way to succeed there - the Hin'in are too uncompromising to even consider letting go of an inch if we can't force them to.
edit: Let the old, flawed Codexia burn. From its ashes will arise a new power. But not burn too much that there aren't even ashes left to rise from.
edit: Let the old, flawed Codexia burn. From its ashes will arise a new power. But not burn too much that there aren't even ashes left to rise from.
Nickless
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Screw making vassals out of the aliens. We've established that it won't be effective with the phyrrie. Extermination and settlement of their lands is the solution. We'll have to play coy in the meantime, stabilize humanity and shift them to a more xenophobic, war-minded culture. Then we'll be ready.
Luan
Educated
Then I shall vote C. Let's create a terror! By... doing nothing right now :D
laclongquan
Arcane
Oh, it's the original intent of that Phyr campaign. You thought we took those bears in out of human kindness? Well, part of it, but part of it is to establish just cause to annex ex-Dominion worlds later on. Alas the Senate forgot that entirely so when the time came they look elswhere for amusement. Read the archives for a big laugh out of that. Do, please.
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