The Codexian Saga LP

[Angthoron]

You can't build a powerful army with a bunch of loose alliances, unfortunately.

and that's exactly why we need to focus on MILITARY. who will need alliances when whole galaxies will tremble at the mere whisper of Codexia? who will dare challenge our mighty WAR MACHINES that conquer the stars as if taking toys from children? WHO, I ASK, WILL STAND AGAINST US WHEN WE ULEASH THE DOGS OF WAR?! WHO?!

nobody, that's who!

FOR CONQUEST! FOR GLORY! FOR THE MILITARY!

And yet, consider this.

Today, your soldiers follow you to death because they must.

Tomorrow, they will follow you because they want. Imagine an army whose spirit drives them to battle without question, without mercy, their hand driven by Divine Right. Imagine colonists settling the lands that are theirs by the right of Ascension. Imagine factories that don't give you shit when you demand twenty-hour shifts for your battlecruisers.

Imagine people willingly doing all the things we've so far forced them to do.

 

[Conkrete Knight]

Praetor: B A

herostratus : B A(C)

treave : B B

wjw: A B

Undead Phoenix : B B

Angthoron: A B

back to sportforredneck: B C

Maria: A C

Orgasm: C D

Radech: B C

TheCowburner: B C

Root: A B

Conkrete Knight : B A

BBBABABACBBAB= B8 A3 C1
AABBBBCCDCCBA= A3/2 B5 C5/4

uhhhh, deadlock

If I counted right that is

 

[Brotherman Bill]

Angthoron argues like the tyrants of old, and seems to believe war is still fought like the tryrants of old fought them.

But long gone are the days when the physical exertions of one individual could change a battle.
Truth is that todays wars are more dependent upon machines than humans - the crew of a battleship can believe in the cause all they want, it doesn't matter if they aren't able to operate the targeting computer. They can feel as close to the god emperor as is humanly possible, but ultimately our ships munitions will first and foremost obey the laws of physics.

Todays warfare is a matter of calculating firing lanes, formations and timing maneuvres. Belief just isn't relevant here.

 

[Conkrete Knight]

Angthoron argues like the tyrants of old, and seems to believe war is still fought like the tryrants of old fought them.

But long gone are the days when the physical exertions of one individual could change a battle.
Truth is that todays wars are more dependent upon machines than humans - the crew of a battleship can believe in the cause all they want, it doesn't matter if they aren't able to operate the targeting computer. They can feel as close to the god emperor as is humanly possible, but ultimately our ships munitions will first and foremost obey the laws of physics.

Todays warfare is a matter of calculating firing lanes, formations and timing maneuvres. Belief just isn't relevant here.

Stability, not fighting prowess is important.
A theocracy will keep the homefront silent much better than a democracy ever could.
Those young men inclined to fanaticism will be joining our armies instead of throwing rooks at our police officers, that is the elegance of it all.

If science wouldn't factor in, I would go for theocracy.

 

[Angthoron]

Do you truly believe that beliefs are stuck in the times of medieval Terra? An amusing gesture for one that argues for progress.


You believe that people believing in a cause are uneducated brutes unable to pilot a starship, fire a missile or make ammunition? Amusing. Faith can be assigned to anything. It can be assigned to a pamphlet or to a doctrine, be flexible or rigid, it needs not to be an overriding directive at all times. You aren't meant to take prayer breaks or study the Holy Pamphlet instead of a Trigonometry textbook.

Nay, Councillor, it is your views and concepts that are stuck in the ages of old tyrants. Your modern tyrant is your wealth - and you are more than happy to serve it.

 

[Angthoron]

In fact, imagine we put Ascension as a paramount goal and direction of our religion.

What is Ascension?

The betterment of all Codexianity through scientific, exploratory, military and spiritual paths.

This faith would hamper our progress? The religion that worships progress? I find the thought highly unlikely.

 

[Heechee]

CC

 

[Azira]

A
Autocracy

B
Theocracy

Let's all get religion, baby! And have a tyrant dole it out! Ohyeah! :twisted:

 

[wjw]

Undead Phoenix : B B
is

That is an AB. He clearly says Autocracy.

 

[wjw]

Votecount

praetor BA
herostratus B A
treave A B
wjw AB
Undead Phoenix AB
Angthoron AB
sportforredneck BC
Maria AC
Orgasm CD
Radech BC
Cowburner BC
Root AB
Concrete Knight BA
heechee 1 CC
Azira AB


Government Type

Choose a government type:

A. Autocracy - 7
B. Oligarchy - 6
C. Representative Democracy - 2

Choose a government style:

A. Militaristic - 3
B. Theocratic - 6
C. Mercantile - 5
D. Populist - 1

We just need one more believer to flip the scales! Start converting the oligarchists!

 

[treave]

Heretics! I see heretics preaching the worship of Mammon!

*froths at the mouth*

 

[Maria]

This ascension business is all good and well in theory but how many religions works in theory? If we turn to massive state religion we are going to give birth to a self propelled fanatical movement that's going to put us all down. Maybe not today but the shit will mutate to something uncontrollable, I just know it.
Call it female intuition or grimdark setting, whatever you prefer.

 

[treave]

Consider it done. *flip* SPESS MERENS!

This ascension business is all good and well in theory but how many religions works in theory? If we turn to massive state religion we are going to give birth to a self propelled fanatical movement that's going to put us all down. Maybe not today but the shit will mutate to something uncontrollable, I just know it.
Call it female intuition or grimdark setting, whatever you prefer.

Then it's up to the voters to ensure that if we do get religion, we do not make our populace turn into fanatical wackos through careful, well-thought vo - oh, who am I kidding.

 

[wjw]

We could agree on a female GODESS. If that would make you flip the vote Maria.

Councillor Treave has seen the TRUE Light. Welcome brother!

Autocracy 7
Oligarchy 6

 

[Maria]

We could agree on a female GODESS. If that would make you flip the vote Maria.

You devil you... That is actually a compelling argument... I suppose if she was similar to me and shared my name and.... *purrrrr*

 

[treave]

Consider this: religion is the opiate of the masses.

That it has not thus far played a significant role in Codexian development is unimportant. A period of strife and adversity, resulting in the suffering of the people, will have made them receptive to anything that promises to alleviate their pain.

Consider this further: the Civil War saw brother fight against brother, entire institutions torn asunder.

We require a uniting purpose for people to believe in that far surpasses wealth or politics. Again, do take note that a theocracy does not automatically mean it does not trade, does not war, or does not engage in populist endeavors. It only means that when it does so, the flavor of its actions is religion.

A theocracy need not be a backward nation seeking to hinder all scientific progress - unless of course the Barbarian makes it so.

 

[Conkrete Knight]

So you choose to elect a God-emperor to rule us all?
An emperor WE can not control?
Are you sure that is a god idea?
Think of the POWER we could hold, the power now given to HIM.
What if he gets senile in his old age? What if he decides he does not need any of US?
What will you do then?

Theocracy I can understand, a god emperor not (now if "he" is an A.I. however...)

 

[Brotherman Bill]

Votecount
herostratus B A

Changing it to B C

Thereby making the mercantile/theocrat score 6/6 if I count correctly

I still think militarist is better but theocratic is the second worst choice so in order to keep our state secular...

 

[Conkrete Knight]

Votecount
herostratus B A

Changing it to B C

Thereby making the mercantile/theocrat score 6/6 if I count correctly

I still think militarist is better but theocratic is the second worst choice so in order to keep our state secular...

A merchantile dictatorship?
No.
Then rather a theocracy.
Flopping the Flip.(to BB, that is)

 

[Conkrete Knight]

don't be silly. the barbarian wouldn't have given us the choice of autocracy if the game would just end with that. the emperor is just a figurehead. we, his loyal councillors, will be the one pulling the strings. we just need an unifying figure, an unifying purpose; he will take our orders, or we'll have him killed. it's as simple as that.
.

Let us all hope that it plays out that way.
No matter what, it might backfire if the Emperor takes a stance different than us.
e.g. If we make a choice he deems not being pious enough.
Which likely will happen seeing the history of the council.

 

[wjw]

A merchantile dictatorship?

If we get this. We are so dead.

 

[Conkrete Knight]

i doubt it, because that would ruin the entire purpose of this game. if there is an npc that can make actual choices out of our purview but within codexia proper, then barbarian could just play the game alone.

If the NPC incorporates a believe, acting in a way that is not in line with that believe makes the reaction of said NPC become a CONSEQUENCE to a CHOICE.
The result could be, as it happened before, a civil war.
Of course we are speaking quite radical choices here.
And again, this counsel does not really shirk those....

 

[Maria]

That's right, I'm flip-flopping!

AB - Autocratic Theocracy

 

[treave]

i doubt it, because that would ruin the entire purpose of this game. if there is an npc that can make actual choices out of our purview but within codexia proper, then barbarian could just play the game alone.

If the NPC incorporates a believe, acting in a way that is not in line with that believe makes the reaction of said NPC become a CONSEQUENCE to a CHOICE.
The result could be, as it happened before, a civil war.
Of course we are speaking quite radical choices here.
And again, this counsel does not really shirk those....

Well, it's not like it hasn't happened before with the Senate previously. Just now we'll have to predict how our Lord and Master will react to our actions rather than the Senate.

I figure a mercantilist autocratic state might be a bit funny.

One man, uniting the worlds under the banner of free trade.

 

[praetor]

wow.. i can't believe you're being such blind fools. idiots, the lot of you.

theocracy in this scenario is pretty much a repeat of the "AI civil rights" thing you completely screwed up. i really hope you come to your senses and flip the flop to something more realistic before the Barbarian declares this session over

i really wonder if you retards have been reading what he wrote over the last couple of pages.... i guess not