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The Codexian Saga LP

treave

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Undead Phoenix said:
treave said:
Not if our economy is always a 'war economy', with employment and production geared towards feeding an ever growing war machine while the populace see minimal, if any, increased decadence in their spartan lifestyles. That's what the religion is for. Control. To convince them that it is in their best interests to live frugally. Instead of using our bountiful resources to create consumer goods with which to spoil our citizenry, we transform those into weapons with which to cleanse the devils without.

If we want a war economy (which I am sure many of us want), than we should vote for B, not A. If A wins then the stoicism which every Codexian citizen has shown over the years will slowly be warn down by the invasion of cheap luxury goods. Do you want that to happen? Do you want us to idolise wealth like the decadent Commonwealth, or the Raumen devils? The Venerable Respublica is built upon the blood of martyrs, the very thought of all of you choosing wealth over faith is an insult to all they lived for and everything Santi Maria teaches.

A vote for A will see Codexia making the same mistakes that almost destroyed it many times over its history.

I have the same concerns, but this could be assuaged if we knew the exact methods by which we plan to rebuild the economy instead of leaving it up to a decadent ecclesiarchy which may require purging later. I would rather a compromise with equal emphasis being given to both the economy and fleet build-up. Remember, all three policies will still be pursued to some extent. Instead of it being, say, 50% economy, 30% fleet and 20% internal security, I would rather 40% economy, 40% fleet and 20% internal security.

Attempting to further stamp out internal dissent is still the absolutely worst choice one could make, supported only by godless, treasonous traitors that would seek to engulf the Respublica in an orgy of bestial copulation and domestic violence. Our people's faith is strong enough that the mere yakking of some secularist madmen will not sway them.
 

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Flip flop to B! I too worry of commercialism and a return to decadence. The Spartan mindset is exactly what we want. B is the path to glory!
 

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Update will be out in 19 hours (or 7pm GMT +10:00).

Apologies regarding the delays, rough week! And, without lying to you, a lot of football watching. It's a disease. The Barbarian is powerless before it.

GarfunkeL:

The Barbarian will do it, as soon as the next update is posted.
 

The Barbarian

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C - Orgasm
B - Azira
A - Nickless
B - herostratus
A - anus_pounder
C - Undead Phoenix
A - Saemon
B - Luan
A - laclongquan
A - back to sportforredneck
C - wjw
B - Praetor
A - root
A - The Brazilian Slaughter
A - Conkrete Knight
A - Dark Underlord
C - juggernaut
A - Maria
A - treave
B - Radech
B - GarfunkeL

A = 10
B = 6
C = 4

A it is. Update forthcoming.
 

The Barbarian

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Clouds on the Horizon

The 340s finally saw some real economic expansion in the Respublica. The government poured its limited resources into high impact socio-economic programmes. They created a slew of jobs in infrastructure and local industry by judicious investment, and micro-financing afforded millions the ability to start up small businesses and community services. The number of people who depended on the state for the basics decreased substantially. Even the poorest were able to partake of the rise in living standards. The military, for its part, also saw some expansion. Though the Fourth Revolution in Military Thinking was not yet fully realized, materially speaking, at least the blueprint was better fleshed out by the end of the decade. In other words, progress was picking up pace, even as the theocracy tightened its grip on absolute authority.

In 347AU Wise-Earl Neymar died from complications related to heart surgery, and was mourned by billions, across the known worlds. His erstwhile successor, Upstanding Karl-Vincent Sturmer, would find Neymar's shoes hard to fill, but his subdued approach to governance was an interesting change from his predecessor's more forceful manner. He would find his hands full, nonetheless, almost immediately. In 348AU, the Commonwealth signed a treaty of Non-Aggression with the Phyr colonies in the Dead Zone. The wording of the agreement made it clear that the Commonwealth was, in essence, extending to the Phyr an independence guarantee and protection from any unwanted Marianite advances. Though there was nothing explicitly aggressive about the treaty, it was certainly a statement made to the Respublica's leadership. Furthermore, the Commonwealth went a step further, by also outright annexing several worlds in open legal dispute; former colonies lost to Codexian authority during the Brotherly Conflict, and never recovered.

These planets were primarily settled by those who had no desire for Marianite discipline, and were, in any case, located in territory outside of the formal jurisdiction of the Respublica. Amongst the settlers, tech-mod refugees, political dissidents and other social outcasts were particularly prominent. Regardless, the Respublica saw itself as the natural successor state to the old Codexian Republic, and the latter's boundaries (at their most expansive) were considered to be the fledgling state's 'birthright'. Suddenly, the inevitability of conflict with the Commonwealth - almost universally accepted in Marianite political thought - seemed poised to become a matter of some immediacy. For their part, the Commos appeared to labour under the same apprehension. Their fleets, too, continued to grow stronger with every passing year. Between 340AU and 349AU, the number of vessels they disposed of grew by some two hundred. According to Marianite intelligence services, they would prove to be a fell and terrible foe, in the event of a conflict. Their people consider Marianites to be some kind of giant bogeyman next door; a clear and present danger that threatens their collective future simply by existing. Marianism presents a fundamental clash of ideologies: secularism vs theocracy and capitalism vs the 'divine' economy.

The obvious question remains: is the Respublica ready for a conflict of this nature? Its society, though relatively cogent, remains frayed at the edges. How much societal stress would it take to undo the enormous strides made by the Marianites, and to bring about a renewed Time of Troubles? A choice must be made.

Do you... decree that the Respublica MUST be ready for war? Armament will continue and accelerate - within economic tolerance - while the military trains and prepares for the coming clash. However, you will not actively pursue conflict. If it must come, let the Commonwealth be the transgressor! [This approach is PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE and entails a MODERATE chance of conflict]

OR

Do you... decree that the Respublica sees nothing but disaster in this treaty, and MUST act decisively? Letting the filthy Commo swine influence the Phyr and gain access to the resources of the Dead Zone would be a terrible mistake. Better to fight this battle now, if it must be fought. Push for war! Find a convenient pretext, and break these dogs! [This approach is ACTIVELY AGGRESSIVE and entails a HIGH chance of conflict]

OR

Do you... decree that the Respublica has no interest in such a war? The Commos act out of fear. Assure them you mean no harm, by unilaterally recognizing their independence and sovereign right. This is the will of Santi Maria. Enough have died! [This approach is LEAST AGGRESSIVE and entails a LOW chance of conflict]

* All references to conflict are regarding an immediate conflict, or one in the near term.
 

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laclongquan said:
NO! The Phyr disappointed me and outlive my tolerance. Death to the Phyr!

The Commonwealth are standing between you and a Dead Dead Zone. What do you do? :cool:
 

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A! We have our spartan stability and set the groundwork for a strong divine economy. Let us take this time to build our military might!
 

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Damn it, this seems like a great thread but I have to read 80 pages of posts to know what's going on. I didn't read it for 2 days at the beginning and it immediately exploded from 4 pages to 15 :(.

Any chance for a tl;dr synopsis to get us up to speed?
 

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Codexia expands, meets bugs, fights bugs.

Codexia expands, meets bears, fights bears.

Codexia expands, doesn't meet crystals.

Codexia expands, bugs get into civil war, fights bugs and psychic hobbits.

Codexia overstretched in expansion, civil war ensues.

Codexia collapses, finds religion, and rebuilds.
 
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In my experience as a intergalactic military officer, immediate and decisive aggressive action is the best solution to every problem.

B
 

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treave said:
Codexia expands, meets bears, fights bears.

Lizards commit genocide on bears, Codexia grabs popcorn.

Also A

So, a civilwar with the commonwealth? On equal terms?
Rather not, the Hi'nin are already rubbing their greedy hands.

I say lets wait for them to collapse.

Might even go C, backstabbing them as soon as possible.
 
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The Commies are unclean and decadent. Stepping down from ths conflict will only lead to them either actively invading us or at the very least attempting to corrupt the souls of the Marianite Codexians with their heathen doctrines.

Will Codexia stand for this? Nay, I say! We will not be found wanting when the Commies come knocking. Our economy grows stronger by the day. But a nation as grand as ours has a purpose - nay, a destiny. We must retake the stars that are justly ours. But you do not walk the path of destiny unarmed. We require a grand army and navy of the Respublica! As such, I propose we immediately take the following steps:

1: Restore and upgrade several of our noble and historied warships, that they may return to actve duty. I speak of course of the CSS Thunderstrike, CSS Arx Codexia and the venerable CSS Clusterfuck.

2: The foundations laid for a grand flagship of the armada, capable of purifying large planetary landmasses, should the need arse. The knowledge that we posess such a weapon may turn the tide, if revealed at the right time. Also, it will serve as a symbol to the faithful: A grand dreadnaught to challenge the might of creation itself!

3: Research made into technologies that will give us a strategic advantage. This is an enemy who knows what we are capable of, and will easily be able to adapt to our stratagems. We need something they do not possess to tip the scales of battle in our favour. I humbly suggest we look towards methods of successfully deploying boarding parties of our most devoted and highly trained brethren to Commie warships, to sabotage or commandeer these. Unlike the weapons of the alien scum we have fought in the past, the commie warships present an unique oppertunity in being immediately usable by our own soldiers.

4: Internal security must be strenghtened. I have prepared several intiatives that -- with the blessing of the Divine Assembly -- will help us root out the spies and traitors the Commies will undoubtably attempt to plant amongst us.

In closing: This is a conflict we cannot avoid. We must be ready. We must be stronger than they are and smarter than they are to end this conflict quickly and decisively. Only when our glorious Respublica is safe from the Commie menace wll we be able to acheive our destiny!

I vote A
 

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laclongquan said:
My strategy this time will be the strengthening of internal structure so that when the inevitable fall of this theocracy NCR will spring back faster and stronger than ever with minimum of unrest.

Passive/aggressive doesnt suit my strategy and outright war will lead to ruins and destruction for my plan.

We still need more time to rebuild and corrupt the fanatic society that is Respublica. Also acting softly will decrease the fervor of that damnable religion. There's time for everything and now is not time for war.

Let's reassure them that the Respublica has no interest in such a war. The Commos act out of fear. Assure them you mean no harm, by unilaterally recognizing their independence and sovereign right.

Take that, space inquisitors!

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root said:
y'know, considering we are an evangelical religion and that the commos are humans, not xenos, C isn't such a bad idea...we could always try to convert them. it'd be cheaper, and we already have our hands full with aliens and whatnot.

still...i'd like to hear more opinions about this before commiting.

This will probably piss off the military greatly and lead to the end of theocratic rule and the rise of a military junta. The way things are working, I can't see the Commonwealth accepting Marianism as they have too much invested in trade with aliens - if we wanted this route we should not have picked militant, xenophobic religion in the first place.

But hey, consistency was never a strong suit of the Codexians.

laclongquan said:

Heretic. You attempt to sway the faithful with your debased, vulgar words. You may have your victory in this world, but be assured that the judgement of Santi Maria is all that awaits you in the next, and that judgement is eternal damnation. :evil:
 
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laclongquan said:
laclongquan said:
My strategy this time will be the strengthening of internal structure so that when the inevitable fall of this theocracy NCR will spring back faster and stronger than ever with minimum of unrest.

Passive/aggressive doesnt suit my strategy and outright war will lead to ruins and destruction for my plan.

We still need more time to rebuild and corrupt the fanatic society that is Respublica. Also acting softly will decrease the fervor of that damnable religion. There's time for everything and now is not time for war.

Let's reassure them that the Respublica has no interest in such a war. The Commos act out of fear. Assure them you mean no harm, by unilaterally recognizing their independence and sovereign right.

Take that, space inquisitors!

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"Corrupt the fanatic society that is Respublica"?
Guards, seize ths heathen for spouting blasphemies!

Now more than ever is it evident that we must strenghten our spirits and convictions, as we strenghten our armies in preparation for our holy task of cleansing ahead of us!
 
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Vote B

Let's end this shit quickly. No matter whether we win or lose the confontation, it's impact will likely be strong enough to change society. That way we can finally move away from this theocracy bullshit.
 

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root said:
y'know, considering we are an evangelical religion and that the commos are humans, not xenos, C isn't such a bad idea...we could always try to convert them. it'd be cheaper, and we already have our hands full with aliens and whatnot.

what treave said, and this:

Suddenly, the inevitability of conflict with the Commonwealth - almost universally accepted in Marianite political thought - seemed poised to become a matter of some immediacy.

i'd wager pretty much everyone in the respublica is against the commo in some form or another. the fallout of trying to convert or befriend them would probably be much much worse than what we experienced by accepting phyr refugees

anyway, i vote for B. let's strike them by surprise while they still fear us
 

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Do you... decree that the Respublica MUST be ready for war? Armament will continue and accelerate - within economic tolerance - while the military trains and prepares for the coming clash. However, you will not actively pursue conflict. If it must come, let the Commonwealth be the transgressor! [This approach is PASSIVE AGGRESSIVE and entails a MODERATE chance of conflict]


Yes, let us prepare some more but be ready for treachery!
 

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