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The Codexian Saga LP

Discussion in 'Choose Your Own Adventure Land' started by The Barbarian, May 8, 2010.

  1. obediah Erudite

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    I was pissed when we junked the AIs. Assuming our religion is as corrupt as any other, we can assume the heads of church/state have continued to use AIs for their own convenience. It wouldn't be too hard to reintroduce them with some phooey about spontaneous AI development turning the tide in recent military engagements. Why maintain a malleable populace if we aren't got to bend them a bit?

    But no matter what you build, the lultards will eventually win a vote and tear it down just to see what the barbarian will come up with.
     
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  2. BethesdaLove Arbiter

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    When we got sentient AI, I thought we won the game. Singularity, scientific explosion, Transcendence and all that...
     
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  3. Nickless Educated

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    Reintroduce AI and technology as part of a new spiritual revelation. Bring in a Jesus to drastically change elements of the religion.
     
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  4. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    Pacification

    They called it the ‘Fourth Great Terror’, thereafter. In hindsight, perhaps it was inevitable. A hundred thousand dead demanded retribution. Though, who is to tell what the greater sin of the Commos was; their murderous rampage, or their ignominious defeat? Whatever the case, the triumphant march of the Respublican fleets across Commonwealth space was part theatre, part funeral procession. The Commonwealth had to be humbled before the real ‘work’ began. And there was certainly grim work to be done. Within three months of the capitulation, the bulk of available Space assets were deployed in what was formerly the Commonwealth’s domain. A few small-scale battles broke out, as stubbornly recalcitrant local commanders acted out against what they perceived to be treachery on the part of the Commo’s senior leadership. These clashes tended to be short, brutal and one-sided. The victorious Respublica was in no mood to apply a delicate touch, at that point. The gloves were well and truly coming off.

    It did not take long to break the back of the remaining ‘resistance’. When the dust finally settled, the inquisitors began their holy labour. It all began innocuously enough. First up was the war crimes tribunal. Thirty generals, legislators and members of the executive were tried, sentenced and executed with alarming speed. Nonetheless, the day-to-day business of administration remained in local hands, with Respublican military and religious governors providing strategic directives and overseeing regional government. It was six months into the occupation that the so-called ‘Leonidian Purge’ would rattle the Commos to their very core. In early 358AU, the Integration Governor of Leonid, Maxim Cassano, instituted the Department of Public Security and Internal Affairs (DPSIA) on the former Commo capital world. Ostensibly, it was an effort to speed up the integration of the Commonwealth back into the Respublican fold.

    Sadly, its real purpose was revealed soon enough. The churches, shrines and temples that sprang up almost overnight across virtually every Commo world (but especially so on Leonid itself) provoked protest and resentment from ambivalent and hostile locals. This, however, was very quickly proven to be the least of their worries. Maxim Cassano was a prodigious talent, and a man noted for his energy and drive. Tasked with destroying the very idea of the Commonwealth – wiping it away forever from the public consciousness – he poured every iota of his considerable ability into completing the bloody assignment. The Commo elite were to be the first, though not the last, victims of the resulting Terror. Leading intellectuals, successful capitalists and industrialists, community leaders, heretics and the former officer corps were ‘liquidated’ in vast numbers between 358AU and 360AU. The DPSIA was efficient, ruthless and beyond any institutional or legal restraint. Conservative estimates place the numbers of individuals they ‘processed’ at over 185,000. Of those, more than half were deemed ‘irredeemable’. Fear gripped every tier of Commo society as the purges continued to ravage the traditional fabric thereof.

    The next step in the process of integrating the heretics was re-education. That step would likely take decades to bear fruit, but the Respublica was patient and supremely confident of a final victory in the war against an old idea. In the meantime, the wider Hin’in War continued to rage without pause. Raumeni space, so long occupied by the psychic aliens, was by now an almost wholly devastated battleground. Four worlds had already been ‘burned’ by the Hin’in as punishment for Raumeni stubbornness and ongoing resistance. Millions upon millions of the insectoids were dead. The effect of those losses would reverberate for generations to come. In response, the Raumeni expanded the scope of their operations. Uncertain reports made mention of ‘suicide swarms’. Dozens of small, easy to manufacture vessels would enter a Hin’in system and thereupon make for the nearest inhabited settlement. Reaching relativistic speeds, they would then crash into the most populated areas, doing incredible damage and inflicting vast loss of life. The success of this tactic and its actual usage remains ambiguous, with reliable intelligence reports being few and far between. This was truly a war being fought on a foreign shore.

    However, it was apparent that the Hin’in simply could not spare the resources they required to crush the insectoids outright, caught up as they were in fighting the Bron. Major battles were being fought in the depths of Hin’in space, with nary a whimper reaching Respublican ears. Information was at an absolute premium, despite the relative excellence of the human intelligence agencies. Simply put, gauging the state of the conflict, on the whole, was proving extraordinarily difficult. Nonetheless, the Respublicans had to make some very important decisions about their participation in the war.

    Do you... wash your hands of this war? We have plenty to worry about at home. Let us recuperate and consolidate. Who cares what happens to the bugs and other assorted aliens? We could be THE pre-eminent power in this stellar region, if these endless, costly wars could finally be set aside.

    OR

    Do you... stay out of the fighting, but support the anti-Hin’in coalition? Money, supply and materiel can go a long way. We can at least help the Raumen overcome some of their basic resource deficiencies. Even if it doesn’t decisively impact the conflict, it will drag it out, and the xeno scum can bleed each other dry.

    OR

    Do you... organize your forces and intervene in the short term? We have built up our shielded fleets over the last few years. We have trained our officers and men to a higher standard. The Respublica is ready for this fight. We can break the Hin’in!

    OR

    Do you... organize your forces and intervene in the medium term? We need to be fully prepared for this fight. Instead of jumping into the thick of things, let us intervene after the Hin’in do a little more bleeding. Every month they fight is another month’s worth of destroyed ships we don’t have to face. We must be smarter than we were in the past.

    Please Note:

    The Barbarian did not want this update to stretch on into forever, so he did not include this relevant tidbit to the extent that he wanted to: yes, the Codexian economy is tottering, and, yes, propping up the war machine has taxed it heavily, and, yes, the home world is still scarred from the war. No, not every ship in the fleet is shielded yet, but the percentage is much higher than at any time previously.
     
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  5. Radech Augur

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    considering the map, there ought to be plenty of space currently not fought for, what is north east(or whatever, space northeast is called) of our current position, I mean we have settled smack down on top of the crystals, but i guess that might stretch for awhile further, otherwise we could get back into the dead zone, this war is getting old and noone has any sympathies for any of the alien races, so i see no reason to intervene beyond supplies.

    It's an A for now
     
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  6. DarkUnderlord Professional Throne Sitter

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    Fuck da bugs. Whatever happens, we'll be fighting them anyway. Though Xeno scum bleeding each other dry sounds good.

    Hmmm...
     
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  7. Nickless Educated

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    Ayup. I get the feeling that the Hin'in will win this war if they're left to their own devices, yet we don't want to get directly involved (Too much of a strain on our already weakened civilisation). Offering financial/material support is a nice balance, we can drag the alien war out while we wait, rest and recover.

    Edit: Changing vote to D, although would support C if it had more votes, as our military force is already pretty much prepared. We didn't loose ships in the war with the Commonwealth, we lost infrastructure

    Barbarian, you asked before what moment would be a good retrospective of roads not taken; should you have the time, I'd like to see what would have happened if we went down the merciful path with the defeated Commonwealth.

    [conspiracy]Also guys, having looked at some of the Barbarian's past posts, and compared the moments where he posted two outcomes, I've noticed that there's a time discrepancy, where some decisions take longer to succeed than others. I'm starting to think that maybe the AU date is important, the more advanced we are as a civilisation before we reach some set future point in time, the greater our chance of survival perhaps? (Check out The Future is Here Attempt 1 and 2 to see that he changes the dates of successful expansion). ITZ coming, our success in withstanding it will all depend on how much we've progressed [/conspiracy]
     
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  8. treave Arcane Patron

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    With the Hin'in caught up in battling the Bron and unable to fully pacify the Raumen, they're already bleeding each other out enough. Who knows, material support from Codexia may actually tilt the balance against the Hin'in at this point. Financing aliens also leaves a distasteful feeling.

    The Barbarian paints a dire picture and I am in no mood to push the Respublican economy to its breaking point. Let us turn inwards and ensure our people are fully united behind the ideals of Marianism.

    A. Recuperate and consolidate.
     
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  9. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    An interesting hypothesis!

    The very previous choice? So be it. Though, we will not indulge too much in these. What-ifs take all the mystery out of the proceedings.

    Below are some notes the Barbarian had on the road not taken. Hopefully, they illuminate the alternative sufficiently:

    It is not much, in truth, but it gives the right idea.
     
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  10. Nickless Educated

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    Hahaha. Good thing we didn't go with B then (Albeit, governmental reform on technology and AI would be nice) We've certainly become a very grim-dark empire.
     
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  11. treave Arcane Patron

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    Just a question; what was the population of the Commonwealth? I was expecting millions to be purged, to be honest. The Respublicans seem to have been very restrained to restrict the number to anything less than half a million.

    For that matter, what is our current population?

    And please don't let it be that washing our hands screws us over by having a three-alien alliance come knocking at our door in 'fear of our shielding capabilities', or any other new tech we come up with in the interim. :/
     
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  12. The Barbarian Liturgist

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    The Commonwealth, at its height, included around a dozen planets. None of which was particularly developed, except for Leonid. Total population in the hundreds of millions range.

    The total population of the reforged Respublica is around ten or eleven billion, much of which remains concentrated on the home planet. There is a definite baby boom taking place, but various disruptions over the last century have significantly slowed growth.
     
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  13. treave Arcane Patron

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    Ah, didn't read thoroughly enough. I guess the purges are still ongoing. I suppose how the Commonwealth population react will determine whether this will push the bodycount far higher.

    Thank you for the information, mighty Barbarian. It seems clear that with our population concentrated on the homeworld, we must move to encourage migration and resettlement in the other core worlds in order to ensure continued survival of the Respublica should Codexia itself one day fall.

    Although that is unlikely, of course. The divine love of Santi Maria holds sway over our mother world; enough to even touch the heart of the staunchest heretic that he would stay his hand from the purging nuclear flame.
     
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  14. laclongquan Arcane

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    The longer they bleeds, the better it is for us. And the longer we can recover from this unpleasantness. And rebuild the fleets with shield tech.

    I suppose A is the way to go.
     
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  15. Brotherman Bill Arcane

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    That might have more to do with us having all the old industry AND ten times the population. And in spite of this, they almost matched our production for quite a long time.
     
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  16. Brotherman Bill Arcane

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    As I see it, we have this choice. We can have the jewbugs as neighbors, who have hardly ever attacked anyone and who are relatively peaceful, or we can have the hin'in as neighbors, who are maniacs bent on conquest. And unlike previously, they now have taken the habit of purging worlds that oppose them.

    Now, it might be that the Raumen manage to fight of the hin'in by themself, but to be honest I doubt it. They have done remarkably well, but if they lose, we lose. They already had industrial capacities far exceeding our pre-Marianite society. In addition to this, the hin'in are fighting the Bron.

    Are we to suppose that, if they manage to beat the Raumen and the Bron, we will be more than a little speed hump?

    Therefore, it is vital that we intervene in the conflict. As I have said before, abstaining from this conflict means essentially putting the fate of Codexian society in alien hands.

    Therefore, we must intervene either in the short term or the medium term. The humanitarian in me wants to intervene in the short term, since the Raumen needs help NAOW!! and we really should have helped them before, but it would probably be smarter to intervene in the medium term.


    So, all in all, I'm voting D.
     
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  17. DarkUnderlord Professional Throne Sitter

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    I want to flip-flop about a bit on this one before I make up my mind.

    We've got shielded mother-fucking ships. Let's say we push for it. The Hin'in will be like "WTF" and sue for peace. It'd harm our economy short-term but we could very quickly end the whole war which would be better for us long-term. There's also a risk that if we don't push our shielded technology advantage quickly, we'll lose it before long.

    We also still don't know much about these Bro's that are also attacking the Hin'in. Maybe they're worse? Maybe if we knew about them, we'd support the Hin'ins war against the Bro's?

    Then again, if we stay out, by the time one side wins, we'll be re-built and in a much stronger position to come in and kick an awful lot of ass. EG: We do an America in World War II.
     
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  18. Brotherman Bill Arcane

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    The Bro's are on the other side of the Jewbugs, Bro. We'll have a buffer zone against them, no matter how bad they are.


    And we can't be like America in WWII if we wait until the war is over.

    We had our Pearl Harbour moment when they attacked the Commos, if we are to be like America we have to capitalize on it.
     
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  19. Murk Arcane

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    I may not have time to vote in the upcoming days, so I will place mine now, however I am not very steady in my answer.

    I vote D, as I cannot see a possibility of a future for our Respublica if the Hin'in win the war aside from some deus ex machina from the Amoneth.

    ---
    I am thinking of making a flowchart of our decisions and their outcomes in an easy to view image that will make for a quick reference for past decisions (will also show choices we didn't take). Thinking of my answer to the current update reminded me that I had forgotten what some of our past stances where and when we had stayed out and/or gotten involved.

    Anyway, anyone think that'd be a worthwhile idea?
     
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  20. Ulminati Kamelåså! Patron

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    Hm. A tough one.

    [​IMG]
    I am exceededly pleased to see we finally got ourselves an inquisition going. No concentration camps yet, but I guess we can't have everything.

    I'd definately be in favour of getting our economy back up and running again. As previous posters have already mentioned, I think it would be a lovely idea to reintroduce AIs as "holy spirits of Santi Maria infused into the machine" or somesuch. It really was a shame to lose them to a knee-jerk reaction before.

    In regards to the choice, I am torn. A and B both seem like good ideas. We're smarting after this war, and we've pushed out people past the breaking point before with disastrous results. Sending goods with B seems like a win-win situation. We can control how much of our economy will be devoted to it, so that no serious strain is put on our worlds. If the Raumen win, our token may be remembered and give us a slightly less hostile neighbour. If the Hi'in win, the Raumen may be able to bleed them for a few dozen ships more that we won'rt have to face.

    Part of me wouldn't mind D now that we have our shielded ships, but I'm a bit wary of the barbarians comment that our economy is tottering. I'm not sure what to vote yet. I'm open to arguments for and against any option but C, which seems a recipe for disaster.
     
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  21. Azira Arcane Patron

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    Let the infidel alien scum kill eachother. Who are we to care? We need to consolidate what we have, rebuild Marianite society into the pinnacle of civilization we all know it is.

    This councillor votes A.
     
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  22. treave Arcane Patron

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    Well, considerable resources were put into... uh, moral reforms and character-building activities. :D We didn't get into re-industrialization until after everything was stable.

    At any rate, if there is to be any intervention I'd rather it be militarily rather than the Lend-Lease programme. What are we, jewbugs? Will consider flopping to military action if isolationism does not gain steam. But someone better explain nicely to our people why, after first aiding the apostate Commonwealth, we are now aiding the heathen alien scum when our tenets are quite clear on the matter of xenoforms. Also, take heed of the economy which, as has been mentioned, is very stressed from maintaining our war machine. Considering that we have a few hundred million new citizens to integrate into our Social Circle, estimated to take decades, we should be careful in that respect - things on the homefront won't be easy if we decide to embark on a crusade.
     
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  23. Brotherman Bill Arcane

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    We are not aiding the Raumen, we are killing the hin'in. Here's how we can do it: First we declare hin'in Xenos Horribilis, and run a massive hate-campaign against them and pin every imaginable and unimaginable evil onto them. This would be well received in the commo worlds as well.

    Then we make up some shit about hin'in planning an attack against us from the Raumen territories, and invade their bases. Yes, that will technically aid the Raumen but to our populace, this angle will never be mentioned and will be considered an accidental side effect.
     
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  24. Conkrete Knight Educated

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    I say B.

    There is something very satisfying in financing Bugs who want to blow themselves up.
    If they kill some gnomes on the way, all the better :smug:

    Also, i really dont want the Hi'nin to win.

    The longer the war rages, the weaker everybody else than us will be.

    And our current regime does like that idea.


    Reintroducing A.I. as some of you sugest is a bad idea.

    There WILL be a backlash.

    And it will be in the most devout part of the society, i.e. the elite.

    Calling it divine would not help either, it would probably just make things worse as we would CLEARLY be herretics.

    Do you really want our homegrown religion turning against us?
     
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  25. BethesdaLove Arbiter

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    THE UNIVERSSSS WILL KNOOOW THE WILL OF
    KHORNE!!!
     
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