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The Fermi Paradox - sci-fi narrative strategy game with Brian Mitsoda - now on Early Access

Discussion in 'Strategy and Simulation' started by conan_edw, Jun 9, 2021.

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    Yet could be enough to kickstart industry.
     
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    Unlikely, because, again: Hydroelectric power is something that must be kickstarted itself. To be able to construct a hydroelectric dam that generates electricity, you first need to have an industrial economy to produce all the parts needed to make the dam work and transport all of it to the construction site. This means going from an economy that runs on manual labor and wood to one that runs on steam engines and coal. If you tried to run this transition on wood, you'd log all the forests flat in no time at all, and it would be FAR less effective because the EROI on wood power is FAR lower than coal or oil.
     
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    Lol

    I imagine aliens rolling around in sdkfz 251's with their phazers at the ready, looking for gay alien trannies doing the nasty in some alley.
     
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    Isn't that basically how 40K is?
     
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    Almost. Except in WH40K gay trannies ten to summon daemons of Slaanesh, which kind of justifies hunting them down with tanks.
     
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    Yeah, those are not exactly hydroelectric dams. They are inert piles of rock and formerly shiny stones, which, while visually impressive, lack mechanical functionality.

    And this is different from the current state of affairs in what way?
     
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    Yet they are a nice reminder of what is possible with merely using muscles.

    What?
     
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    It is perfectly possible to harvest wind and water power with low tech - dams and mills were around for hundreds if not thousands of years. Not very effective or big scale but doable.

    But I am not sure if it is possible to create steel and cement this way, especially steel goes really well with coal powered economy.
     
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    Yes, I am fully aware of that this exists, but this isn't industrial usage.

    You can smelt iron using just charcoal, but the productivity of this is very low: Within a few decades of industrial coal use taking off, the iron output of Britain went up by an order of magnitude, completely blowing away non-coal-based production. Without the use of coal, that just wouldn't have happened, production based on wood is too inefficient and there is not enough wood to do this with.

    You are basically facing a situation where you need to reach the next tier, but there's not enough resources to effectively do this, and thus may not have sufficient reason to believe that the tier after that even exists to be reached. Since the goal is to ultimately into space and escape all this...the longer it takes, the more likely you collapse before you can.
     
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