The future of Role-Playing Games

[samuraigaiden]

I'm too tired to make sense of all this, but this book exists on Amazon.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

As for authors well known, I've got five off of the top of my mind who games based on their work

And there are many more who don't, which was my point.

Please tell me, what is a big idea in the video gaming industry?

There are a lot of aspiring video game developers, like yourself, think up these massive video games, which fail to materialize. This is because they're unwilling or unable to do it themselves or hire a programmer. To say nothing of waiting 10 years for it to approach something of their original idea. Take Cataclysm, which someone else mentioned. That's taken like 10 years and it still isn't finished. Because what they wanted to do takes a while to make. There's also Dwarf Fortress, which has taken something like 15 years at this point, and isn't even at version 0.50 yet. You want something in 3D, yes? That's a 3d modeller too. So that's at least two people, who are expected to work a while...without pay. You could hire a 2d artist instead, but that doesn't really change much. Would you want to work 10+ years on a project you don't care about for no pay?

 

[Gahbreeil]

Isn't this exactly how Todd Howard got into the industry?

Apparently with a movie based title.

I'm too tired to make sense of all this, but this book exists on Amazon.

Yes, I have published my first book with no particular success two years ago. I am to this day improving the setting, my writing skills and the world. As well as my language. Mind that the book was written while somewhat dazed and confused.

There are a lot of aspiring video game developers, like yourself, think up these massive video games, which fail to materialize. This is because they're unwilling or unable to do it themselves or hire a programmer. To say nothing of waiting 10 years for it to approach something of their original idea. Take Cataclysm, which someone else mentioned. That's taken like 10 years and it still isn't finished. Because what they wanted to do takes a while to make. There's also Dwarf Fortress, which has taken something like 15 years at this point, and isn't even at version 0.50 yet. You want something in 3D, yes? That's a 3d modeller too. So that's at least two people, who are expected to work a while...without pay. You could hire a 2d artist instead, but that doesn't really change much. Would you want to work 10+ years on a project you don't care about for no pay?

What I know is that to get into the music industry you need a demo tape. Here, what the company needs is a demo of the video game. Making the engine with the idea of the demo having everything the game will have while having the setting of a small hamlet with about twenty people and a bit of surrounding wilderness and fields as well as come caverns to kill some monsters would save everyone some time if the game fails to be succesfull. What I mean particularly is that the engine, that is why I have mentioned it, should allow the programmers to expand the world by adding new locations, characters and items easily. I do not know about how Unity would fare here as I have never used it.

 

[Lhynn]

There is no future.

 

[Serious_Business]

There is no future.

Yeah I was thinking of posting that but then my balls itched and I had to scratch them vigorously. I lost my idea after that. Thanks

 

[Gahbreeil]

I did not mention - Equipment works this way, everything you can think of, armour and clothing for characters. To continue with the RTSS.

 

[SlightlyRadioactive]

I am a book writer and so, unfortunately no. Although I do believe if a professional developer was contacted with this it could come true in less than TEN YEARS. If not, Unity is the way. I have some basic understanding of what a game framework is.

Sorry to cut you short, but no developer in their right mind would sign on doing such a demanding project, it is too ambitious and expensive for too little chance of profit since it would only appeal to niche audiences. If you really want to become a game designer you should work on small projects, so you can learn fast the inner works of the medium and gain credibility if you have any competence.

 

[SlightlyRadioactive]

I cannot code as my mind is overloaded with world creation. You do not understand same as I do not. Believe me, writers go Alzheimers for a reason. Coders do as well?

All right, I wasn't sure when I saw the big wall of text, but now I'm pretty sure this guy is just trolling

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Welcome to communism. I would not run a company in an unfair way. Tech wizards should be paid equal to designers.

Nobody should be paid equal to anybody in communism, the salary is determined solely by social usefulness of the labor, and the usefulness is determined by the market. Because of idiots like this one, communism gets a bad rep. Stop shitposting your loredumps and go to r/communism101, you have a lot of reading to do.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Welcome to communism. I would not run a company in an unfair way. Tech wizards should be paid equal to designers.

Nobody should be paid equal to anybody in communism, the salary is determined solely by social usefulness of the labor, and the usefulness is determined by the market. Because of idiots like this one, communism gets a bad rep. Stop shitposting your loredumps and go to r/communism101, you have a lot of reading to do.

A market 'socialist' and a r*dditor, how quaint. Still, I'd rather have more of your type on the 'dex rather than anarchists; so cheers, Bester.

 

[Ol' Willy]

The only good socialism is National-Socialism

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Welcome to communism. I would not run a company in an unfair way. Tech wizards should be paid equal to designers.

Nobody should be paid equal to anybody in communism, the salary is determined solely by social usefulness of the labor, and the usefulness is determined by the market. Because of idiots like this one, communism gets a bad rep. Stop shitposting your loredumps and go to r/communism101, you have a lot of reading to do.

A market 'socialist' and a r*dditor, how quaint. Still, I'd rather have more of your type on the 'dex rather than anarchists; so cheers, Bester.

I'm a communist.

Marx wrote that the salary must be determined by the "quality and quantity of socially useful labor". In USSR, the these words were replaced by "quantity and quality of... labor", which is absurdist if you take a second to think about it. It led to problems you don't even know about. The difference is that the Marxist definition relies on the market, while the Soviet definition relies on thin air. But a planned economy is often necessary when a country is mobilized to fight external threats, which is often the case for communist countries. Once the threats were over, it caused problems they don't write on circlejerk dogmatist forums about.

People who can't think with their own head, look at USSR experience and think that this is communism, and anything else is not communism. They're the definition of an idiot who either hasn't read Marx or didn't even remotely understand him.

 

[AdolfSatan]

10/10 thread, codexian jimmies rustled

Asarlai
Chapter I : The Beginning
As the world begun, just like anything needs to begin to be, folk appeared beside the animals and magical creatures. These folk would prove to be the unaware court of a God giving birth to himself. The gnomes and humans of the planet Archeios appeared in groups large and small to inhabit a world too vast to traverse or investigate in a lifetime. It was divine will to travel and live among his first children.
And so, Gahbreeil woke from his slumber beneath an oak tree situated upon a single hill amidst meadows and plains somewhere in the wilderness. His childlike figure nestled between majestic roots. Yawning he rose slowly taking in his surrounding, everything seemed right just like it should, it was after all the beginning of time. Not a soul to be seen anywhere, these particular plains empty of animals, the sky clear of birds, however clouded.
In his hands a long wooden pipe came to be and soon after it came to be filled with weeds that could be smoked for pleasure or comfort. Less was needed to fill the lungs of a smaller creature, something just as logical as the appearance of the pipe. Lighting the contents of his filled pipe by fire at fingertip, he inhaled strongly while still lying beneath the majestic oak. A great cloud of smoke making way for the adventure to be. For it was sure to be an adventure, the life of this particular being.
To describe the image of Nothing, it was in the form of his creations, the living beings granted with life almost equal to his own. Legs, arms, a head with hair past the neck. His hair was golden and reaching past the shoulders. However he was too young for facial hair. His face was a noble one, gentle features and a long jaw set with a triangular chin. Teeth white and straight. But he was not naked of course and on that spring afternoon he was wearing long leather boots, linen shirt and pants. Clothes simple as can be, shirt with puffed up sleeves and pants held up by a belt. His eyes were a deep shade of gray.
Were his creations gifted with clothes at the morn of their lives? They were not children and so they appeared with suitable equipment for their settling of the world. But it was somehow not on this young lad's mind, nothing was as he enjoyed moments of peaceful clarity lying on the ground.
Standing by now, he slowly paced down the hill the oak was growing on, making his way to the plains proper. He was headed somewhere amidst nowhere, an adventure in a world empty of events on his mind. Going for a walk had all the qualities of an adventure and it seemed the only thing to do beside resting and waiting for things to happen. Walking was sure to make things happen and so, Gahbreeil set on his way, his pipe disappearing somewhere along the way.

1/10 writing skills, might actually have a future in the industry working for Obsidian

 

[Heroic Liberator]

Welcome to communism. I would not run a company in an unfair way. Tech wizards should be paid equal to designers.

Nobody should be paid equal to anybody in communism, the salary is determined solely by social usefulness of the labor, and the usefulness is determined by the market. Because of idiots like this one, communism gets a bad rep. Stop shitposting your loredumps and go to r/communism101, you have a lot of reading to do.

A market 'socialist' and a r*dditor, how quaint. Still, I'd rather have more of your type on the 'dex rather than anarchists; so cheers, Bester.

I'm a communist.

You're a Social Democrat LARPing as a Communist since you do not promote the abolition of private property (and consequently of the capitalist relations of production). You might cling to the ideal of higher stage communism as an end goal for humanity in a post-scarcity context (presumably), but politically you seem to be in favor simply of reforming the capitalist market system as any other SocDem would. So nah, you are at best what Marx & Engels would describe as bourgeois 'socialists' and thus neither revolutionary nor scientific in your outlook.

As for your critique of the Soviet system, funny how it's coming from the right (akin to the Bukharinites and of later capitalist roaders such as Gorbachev and Deng) rather than from the left. So for all your appeals to authority, it is you who has misunderstood Marx - you are not only rejecting the Marxist-Leninist distinction between lower and higher stage communism (which already makes your outlook unscientific since Leninism is Marxism as applied to the epoch of imperialism), but also the Orthodox Marxist conception of revolutionary socialism as well.

 

[kreight]

What are doing in this shithole? Go send your CV to game developing companies. Don't forget to include cover letter, it is very important. I'm sure someone will be happy to take you in with those skills of yours.

 

[prengle]

everyone's going to end up living in vr furry sex world and the esteemed Role Playing Game genre will die out forever...

 

[Fedora Master]

If you want an image of the future of roleplaying games, imagine a gay pride parade passing by your window...forever.



e: WHY THE FUCK ARE WE DISCUSSING MARXISM NOW
e2: Oh right, gay pride parade...

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

since you do not promote the abolition of private property

You must be an illiterate, since I never said anything about private ownership of the means of production in this thread.

All income must come from labor. Any income that comes from anything other than labor, must be considered a state crime and punished by sentences going up to a lifetime in prison or an execution.

Private ownership of the means of production in communism DOES NOT EXIST. And planned economy does not communism make. You'd be surprised, but Britain practiced planned economy in many industrial sectors during WW2 and only Thatcher finished undoing this. This didn't make British economy a communism. What matters is who OWNS the company with the means of production, not how the demand is established, nor how the prices of goods are set.

you are not only rejecting the Marxist-Leninist distinction between lower and higher stage communism

You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a social state and socialism if Stalin stared you down with a Nagan in his hand. You wouldn't even be able to succinctly tell me what communism is, which is a direct conclusion of Marxism if you understood it. People like you give communism a bad rep.

Read Marx, then Lenin's and Stalin's articles to get a foundation. Then read about the Yugoslavian experience, about the Hungarian experience, about public companies and the structure of industries in DIFFERENT SOCIALIST COUNTRIES. If political economy is a subject you want to be able to talk about without looking like an idiot.

 

[Reina]

Gahbreeil

Try making small RPG Maker game first. Seriously.

 

[karoliner]

There is no future.

 

[Falksi]

Consider that any game you make has to be easy & fun to digest by gamers to be enjoyable to the majority of them.

The OP's OP wasn't. At all.

Before you start designing a game find a way to convey your ideas in a more digestible format on here. In doing so you'll be honing your skills of external perception, which will allow you to create the best experience for those on the other end of the gaming telescope.

Wax on, wax off.

 

[Crispy]

Mind that the book was written while somewhat dazed and confused.

I have some bad news for you.

 

[Heroic Liberator]

since you do not promote the abolition of private property

You must be an illiterate, since I never said anything about private ownership of the means of production in this thread.

Nice projection, bro. To quote your earlier post:"the salary is determined solely by social usefulness of the labor, and the usefulness is determined by the market." Now tell me how a market can exist under communism, you dumbfuck.

All income must come from labor. Any income that comes from anything other than labor, must be considered a state crime and punished by sentences going up to a lifetime in prison or an execution.

Private ownership of the means of production in communism DOES NOT EXIST. And planned economy does not communism make. You'd be surprised, but Britain practiced planned economy in many industrial sectors during WW2 and only Thatcher finished undoing this. This didn't make British economy a communism. What matters is who OWNS the company with the means of production, not how the demand is established, nor how the prices of goods are set.

Yes, that's why the public ownership of the means of production is necessary. And in your envisioned market system in which the means of production remain in the hands of individual (a.i. petit bourgeois entrepreneurs working by themselves) and collective actors (a.i. co-ops) rather than being socialized, you'd only eliminate the commodification of labor while retaining the broader practice of unequal exchange which is inherent to any market-based economic system and which by its very nature is exploitative.

And no, your whataboutism doesn't surprise me. A capitalist state can both intervene to regulate the economy and participate within it as a distinct economic agent with its own state-owned businesses competing with its private counterparts, more breaking news at 5. The Soviet system on the other hand was a command economy which had abolished private property and - before it fell into revisionism under Khrushchev - was aiming to transform all collective property into public property in due time (i.e. collectivization being an intermediary step in the consolidation of the system, just as the NEP had been before that for the transition to socialism; kolkhozes and the like nevertheless being distinct from their co-op counterparts in capitalist systems since they sold their produced commodities directly to the state and the latter set the price both for their purchase and for their subsequent reselling for social consumption).

You wouldn't be able to tell the difference between a social state and socialism if Stalin stared you down with a Nagan in his hand. You wouldn't even be able to succinctly tell me what communism is, which is a direct conclusion of Marxism if you understood it. People like you give communism a bad rep.

Nice projection, Mr. Market Socialist. Tell me more about the difference between your variety of social democracy and other such forms of capitalism with a human face. And do give your succinct definition of communism since you clearly have not understood what discarding the capitalist mode of production entails.

Read Marx, then Lenin's and Stalin's articles to get a foundation. Then read about the Yugoslavian experience, about the Hungarian experience, about public companies and the structure of industries in DIFFERENT SOCIALIST COUNTRIES. If political economy is a subject you want to be able to talk about without looking like an idiot.

I did. Too bad that for all your appeals to authority, you didn't understand jackshit from what you yourself have read.

 

[NJClaw]

I do believe if a professional developer was contacted with this it could come true in less than ten years.

Wow. Woooooooooow.

Nice estimation right there.

 

[Russia is over. The end.]

Now tell me how a market can exist under communism

Liberal propaganda since the 60s has been brainwashing people that socialism = planned economy... justifying it with a couple of tactical articles by Lenin relating to the disastrous situation of 1918 and the "withdrawal" from the NEP in 1927-1928. And they feign absolute ignorance of the postwar article by Stalin on the political economy of socialism, in which he openly talked about the INEVITABILITY OF THE MARKET UNDER SOCIALISM and speaking about the market's potential possibility to wither away, along with the money, only in the context of transition to communism in the indefinite future, when the development of the productive forces will allow the slogan "to everyone's needs".

unequal exchange which is inherent to any market-based economic system and which by its very nature is exploitative.

Speculation is not labor, but theft of labor, therefore making it a part of your income is illegal under socialism or communism. If a part of the money you made was due to speculation, that PART goes into the PUBLIC FUNDS, where the money is divided between investments into development and investments into consumption, guaranteeing people's access to the goods that should be made equally available to everyone due to moral and/or logical reasons: education, sports, culture, basic food, shelter, medicine.

And in your envisioned market system in which the means of production remain in the hands of individual

The market does not equate "means of production remain in the hands of the individual". This is why talking with idiots is difficult, they don't understand the basics.

The question of the planned economy or the market lies in whether a society with limited resources can AFFORD TO PAY FOR DIVERSITY.

Everything is simple here: today everyone knows that increasing serial production reduces costs. This means that MAINTAINING A VARIETY THAT REDUCES SERIALIZATION IN FAVOR OF NOMENCLATURE INCREASES COSTS. This means that with equal resources and with greater diversity, the sum of benefits will be less: life will be more fun, i.e. more diverse, but, in sum, poorer. Diversity is provided by the MARKET.

Planned economy fails to deal with diversity for deep mathematical reasons that cannot be undone or circumvented. I note, in passing, that the arguments of Kravetsky and Wasserman on the possibility of directive planning of everything, inspired by the mistakes of academician Glushkova, are deeply incompetent. In addition, they again fell for liberal propaganda, identifying socialism not with the question of ownership and profit distribution, but with directive planning. However, if the range of goods and services is small enough that directive planning is possible, then the plan is much more efficient than the market. Such were the first 30 years of USSR.

First of all, you need to clearly understand that there are areas for which excessive diversity is categorically harmful. This is primarily military equipment. Therefore, the production of military equipment is always associated with DIRECTIVE PLANNING: the composition of weapons and their quantity is determined directive planning in all countries of the world. "More than directive" even, in the sense that the plans are approved at the highest level of government.

The second question is how much of the resources a society that considers independence as a leading priority can afford to spend NOT ON DEFENSE. In other words, for a society that aspires to sovereignty, THE SHARE OF RESOURCES SPENT ON BUTTER (CONSUMPTION) AND, THEREFORE, POTENTIALLY ACCESSIBLE TO THE FORMATION OF DIVERSITY, IS FORMED ACCORDING TO THE RESIDUAL PRINCIPLE - This is what society can substract from the task of ensuring its own independence.

But whether a society can afford to produce diversity using "BUTTER RESOURCES" is a question of their volume per capita: if a society is poor, then the production of diversity - due to high costs - can reduce the standard of living to an unacceptable level! - In this case, it is advisable to plan the production of consumer products, and to introduce norms for their consumption.

Thus, there are exactly two factors - THE MARKET OR THE PLANNED NATURE OF THE ECONOMY IS DICATED BY THE AVAILABILITY OF RESOURCES (THE WEALTH OF SOCIETY) AND THE NEED TO PRESERVE SOVEREIGNTY. Not by an ideology.