Decline The lack of recovery among American RPGs, visualised with graphs

[rusty_shackleford]

forums dedicated to american rpg

No longer american. 2020 was the last time their RPG has won goty!

implying diablo 2 resurrected isn't going to win 2021 rpgoty in a landslide

 

[NJClaw]

As someone who isn't from any of Earth's continents and is therefore completely impartial, I have to admit that the anti-american attitude of europosters OTC (on the codex)

Only because you haven't seen how much we hate other Europeans

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

This thread is getting retardo insult posts that bore me. Anyway...

Exactly. Not only does Todd make more money but he is also famous and well liked by gamers everywhere. Nobody knows who Vince is. Success on all fronts and all that because Todd provides people with games they actually want to play instead of CYOAs for fedora wearing dweebs on an obscure forum which they end up hating anyway.

Who the fuck is VINCE?

Its funny that back in the 80s/90s the far east (Japan mostly) had a bit of a bias releasing or even having decent translations of various games (esp including rpgs). Its nice that people take their spare time to amend that with patches and translations and rarely ports from their weird computers and consoles to say PC.

What others think is good or fun is a bias unto itself. Different strokes for different folks.

I enjoyed Arena, Daggerfall, and Terminator Rampage/Future Shock/Skynet. I never played Morrowind or later. Never touched the fallout 3+ franchise. I'd say I played and replayed older games if not playing blizzcrack diablo I&II and Warcraft I.

Emulators were great but I wasn't playing much other than metroidvanias and shining force games with a little Lunar and Phantasy Star. Beyond that... Splatterhouse III and the terminator CD. With dialup I'd also spend too much time on EUO. That filled up my early 90s-2014 thereabouts. Now its just digital hoarding the real game.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

I was referring to the part of europe where humans actually live, not slaves.

 

[Can't handle the bacon]

As someone who isn't from any of Earth's continents and is therefore completely impartial, I have to admit that the anti-american attitude of europosters OTC (on the codex)

Only because you haven't seen how much we hate other Europeans

Same reason.

 

[Jedi Master Radek]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

I was referring to the part of europe where humans actually live, not slaves.

So it's an infinity of years mistake then, my bad I take my praise back. You could technically try to defend yourself saying that Hungarians are not Slavs, but it's too high level knowledge for you. I bet you though Germans and French thought against Mongolians, didn't you.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

I was referring to the part of europe where humans actually live, not slaves.

So it's an infinity of years mistake then, my bad I take my praise back. You could technically try to defend yourself saying that Hungarians are not Slavs, but it's too high level knowledge for you. I bet you though Germans and French thought against Mongolians, didn't you.

Peak midwit is at it again.

 

[fantadomat]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

I was referring to the part of europe where humans actually live, not slaves.

So it's an infinity of years mistake then, my bad I take my praise back. You could technically try to defend yourself saying that Hungarians are not Slavs, but it's too high level knowledge for you. I bet you though Germans and French thought against Mongolians, didn't you.

Peak midwit is at it again.

I agree,you are getting annoying.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Anyway, the same thing can be found in the tabletop RPG. In US, apart from D&D, there is no salvation. In Europe... there are dozens and dozens of RPGs that come out every year, and they are played a lot in libraries or clubs.

There is NO salvation for that either; or MCU, DC, MOTU, Terminator, TV, movies, comics in general, toons, tunes, and manufacturing of quality products. DECLINE IS THE INCLINE!

The world is so WOKE it's BROKE.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I don't know why but Todd always looks majestic af, he has a good dressing sense as well. Maybe making the same game since 2002 with essentially the same core of people doesn't take its toll on you.

Actually, the best Todd Howard game was..

yep, it should have been Where's Todd?

Spoiler

 

[Desiderius]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

What do average Americans have to do with the Kotex tho?

 

[Desiderius]

I have a working theory that the reason e*ropeons are so butthurt all the time is inherited emotional trauma from their grandmothers being raped by russians.

Can't wait for rusty to discover where Americans came from

europe before the mongolians ravaged across half of it raping your grandmothers and creating butthurt e*ropeons that would cry endlessly on forums dedicated to american rpgs?

Well to be honest 500 years is an acceptable mistake given level of knowledge of an average American.

I was referring to the part of europe where humans actually live, not slaves.

So it's an infinity of years mistake then, my bad I take my praise back. You could technically try to defend yourself saying that Hungarians are not Slavs, but it's too high level knowledge for you. I bet you though Germans and French thought against Mongolians, didn't you.

A Hun broke the world. It will take another to save it.

 

[Moonrise]

RPGs were always a niche genre, it's just that video game production costs were lower back in the day, due to fidelity most obviously but also for other reasons. And you had a healthier market with mid-tier devs and publishers, all of which have been bought out and chewed up. It's not just that we're caught in a situation where the big guys won't risk making a game that appeals to the Codex. Indies don't have the funding, don't have the manpower, and don't draw from a professional talent pool like they would have when the risk was low, and employees could splinter and do their own thing with a reasonable chance at success. We could be optimistic and say, well, let's fund these things ourselves! I've donated to campaigns here myself, and we've what, cracked $5,000ish for a few kickstarters that drew a million or two? Even if the game is being made in Europe where they can eat pierogies three times a day, it's not much. I'm not saying RPGs are over, but we're no longer in the right place or the right time. Even if we set our expectations low and decide we're willing to buy games that look like they're straight out of the 90s, the problem again is the talent who have every reason to work on anything else. We're left with amateurs who often produce games that make you ask yourself why you're not just playing the thing it was inspired by. And the idea that Europeans will revive the genre is bunk. All the good artists in Ukraine are chained up in a basement somewhere making backgrounds for hidden object games. No one is coming to the rescue of the traditional cRPG.

 

[Infinitron]

Only some parts of the US are very expensive.

But, for some reason, the most expensive places are the places where game studios like to set up shop and force everyone to move to.

Could cut a not-insignificant amount of the budget just by moving to a cheaper location.

One of the United States' major game development hubs is Austin, Texas, which isn't so expensive. But for whatever reason after Origin died it never developed as a location for producing single player RPGs.

And the idea that Europeans will revive the genre is bunk.

You can only say this if you're using a goalpost-moving definition of the term "revive". The fact is that the Codex front page gets a new "X is an upcoming isometric turn-based tactical RPG inspired by Y" newspost once a month on average these days, something that would have been considered a fantasy a decade ago. The majority of these "third wave" isometric RPGs are produced by teams in Europe: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-rpg-renaissance-the-european-third-wave.129507/

 

[Moonrise]

Reply to me one more time and I will personally enter politics to end military aid to Israel.

 

[Nifft Batuff]

 

[jackofshadows]

RPGs were always a niche genre, it's just that video game production costs were lower back in the day, due to fidelity most obviously but also for other reasons. And you had a healthier market with mid-tier devs and publishers, all of which have been bought out and chewed up. It's not just that we're caught in a situation where the big guys won't risk making a game that appeals to the Codex. Indies don't have the funding, don't have the manpower, and don't draw from a professional talent pool like they would have when the risk was low, and employees could splinter and do their own thing with a reasonable chance at success. We could be optimistic and say, well, let's fund these things ourselves! I've donated to campaigns here myself, and we've what, cracked $5,000ish for a few kickstarters that drew a million or two? Even if the game is being made in Europe where they can eat pierogies three times a day, it's not much. I'm not saying RPGs are over, but we're no longer in the right place or the right time. Even if we set our expectations low and decide we're willing to buy games that look like they're straight out of the 90s, the problem again is the talent who have every reason to work on anything else. We're left with amateurs who often produce games that make you ask yourself why you're not just playing the thing it was inspired by. And the idea that Europeans will revive the genre is bunk. All the good artists in Ukraine are chained up in a basement somewhere making backgrounds for hidden object games. No one is coming to the rescue of the traditional cRPG.

Incredibly pessimistic take. Just look one more time at the exceptional indie which were listed itt already: UnderRail, Grimoire, Kenshi... Now things like Colony Ship or Space Wreck are in development. Whatever the chances there, these titles are exist despite all odds so... the genre isn't dead yet.

 

[fantadomat]

You can only say this if you're using a goalpost-moving definition of the term "revive". The fact is that the Codex front page gets a new "X is an upcoming isometric turn-based tactical RPG inspired by Y" newspost once a month on average these days, something that would have been considered a fantasy a decade ago. The majority of these "third wave" isometric RPGs are produced by teams in Europe: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-rpg-renaissance-the-european-third-wave.129507/

I agree,the genre had improved a lot in the last 30 years. Still those two years are pretty dried up. We get one or two decent games per year and nothing special. Tho this year is forming to be very good.a lot of good rpgs are coming out. People that constantly bitch about revival and decline are posers that had stopped playing rpgs decades ago,they are stuck in the past.

 

[fantadomat]

Reply to me one more time and I will personally enter politics to end military aid to Israel.

Do you even have politics on your island? Also why do you even give aids to jewland ?

 

[Lord_Potato]

You can only say this if you're using a goalpost-moving definition of the term "revive". The fact is that the Codex front page gets a new "X is an upcoming isometric turn-based tactical RPG inspired by Y" newspost once a month on average these days, something that would have been considered a fantasy a decade ago. The majority of these "third wave" isometric RPGs are produced by teams in Europe: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/the-rpg-renaissance-the-european-third-wave.129507/

I agree,the genre had improved a lot in the last 30 years. Still those two years are pretty dried up. We get one or two decent games per year and nothing special. Tho this year is forming to be very good.a lot of good rpgs are coming out. People that constantly bitch about revival and decline are posers that had stopped playing rpgs decades ago,they are stuck in the past.

Thank RPG gods! I can finally catch up with the genre!

 

[Ol' Willy]

Todd Howard's family will never have to worry about financial insecurity ever.
I can't imagine what kind of person wouldn't jump at that opportunity. Yes, opportunities for your children far outweigh any "honor and integrity as a craftsman"

You can sell your ass to fags. It pays well, I guess, and it will provide you with much needed financial security.

Until you croak from AIDS, that is

 

[Ol' Willy]

When Krusty goes on retarded rampage it is pointless to discuss anything serious with him. Better just to ignore or retort to snides

 

[Cunt Dickula!?]

And all that with the assets of only one game.

 

[Atlantico]

Don't count the merrycans out yet. Microsoft is going to provide a good amount of RPGs going forward, through their new subsidiaries.

Consoles are effectively dead, since the major ones, Xbox and Playstation are PCs now and Nintendo is marginalizing itself by taking on the mobile market.

AAA merrycan RPGs are coming, just not from the publishers people expect, e.g. EA and Activision, but from Microsoft.