Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[KeighnMcDeath]

I try to find short abridged reviews but sometimes it doesn't happen. Alas, with no real internet I can't reliably upload content at all. I do EVERYTHING via my shitty iphone. Once in a blue moon my connection allows an upload or dl through hotspot. Sucks.

Anyway, I can do a few things through my phone. I wanted to reshare some of the manual pics. Some of these are pretty good (generally MM1-Xeen).

Spoiler

 

[wishbonetail]

try to find shirt abridged reviews but sometimes it doesn't happen. Alas, with no real internet I can't reliably upload content at all. I do EVERYTHING via my shitty iphone. Once in a blue moon my connection allows an upload or dl through hotspot. Sucks.

Hah, im playing MM2 on a friggin 7" samsung galaxy, on a megadrive emulator. It is a no mean feat let me tell ya, but I think Im gonna make it. It is hell though, to play this on a touchscreen gamepad, every action takes three times longer than it should, it took me at least 20 hours just to get used to it. Nevertheless It is pretty accurate 16bit remake of PC version.

 

[Darth Canoli]

About Isles of Terra on Turbografx, I found roms, english one is way harder to find but I found one without the JP stamp so it might be it.

I've never done any turbografx emulation and i'm not too eager to jump in but if someone is, i can provide a link, the rom is on archive dot org.

 

[wishbonetail]

I've found Terbograf16 emulator on android. When im done with MM2, ill try Isles of Terra. That is a good thing.The bad thing is that i didnt play MM3 on PC.

 

[Darth Canoli]

I've found Terbograf16 emulator on android. When im done with MM2, ill try Isles of Terra. That is a good thing.The bad thing is that i didnt play MM3 on PC.

Looks like I can't PM you the link, you can probably find it on your own though.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Played MM3 on amiga but didn't finish. Finished it on PC several times. Tbh, 3-xeen is kind of the easy-peasy baby might & magics. Swords is tougher. It'd be hard for me to rate the ease of each game considering platforms vary a little and determining a scale is the issue. Size of game, how fast to complete, difficulty of combats, puzzles, interface and frustration, etc. I would have liked MMX to be untethered from steam & ubi but I say that about all games. If you like achievements and shit then fine, but sometimes that isn't possible so cut the tether.

i don't know if the tbgfx16 one i found is translated or not. I am wondering if there isn't an in-game toggle tbh.

https://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/pcengine/

Mednafen eh?

Mednafen setup

 

[Darth Canoli]

Played MM3 on amiga but didn't finish. Finished it on PC several times. Tbh, 3-xeen is kind of the easy-peasy baby might & magics. Swords is tougher. It'd be hard for me to rate the ease of each game considering platforms vary a little and determining a scale is the issue. Size of game, how fast to complete, difficulty of combats, puzzles, interface and frustration, etc. I would have liked MMX to be untethered from steam & ubi but I say that about all games. If you like achievements and shit then fine, but sometimes that isn't possible so cut the tether.

i don't know if the tbgfx16 one i found is translated or not. I am wondering if there isn't an in-game toggle tbh.

https://www.emulator-zone.com/doc.php/pcengine/

Mednafen eh?

Mednafen setup

I'm not speaking for everyone but rather than difficulty comparison, it's more about eventual censorship and even more about music and sound effects.
It seems PCengine version is way slower so maybe sound effects aren't botchered, it'd be quite nice if it was the case.

Good sfx and no censorship would make it my favorite version.

I tried retroarch a while back for Death's Adder revenge but either i had a phony demo rom or it just didn't work and i'm not sure about mednafen.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Mednafen sounds like those drug prescription commercials with a dozen side effects.

 

[Morpheus Kitami]

tried retroarch a while back for Death's Adder revenge but either i had a phony demo rom or it just didn't work and i'm not sure about mednafen.

I can't say I've ever had any problems with Mednafen, outside of Atari Lynx emulation, which I think has an issue with older versions of game files. Might be some other issues, but those are very easy fixes. The specific version of game files seems to be a big problem with the newer, more accurate emulators, because if you have a version that isn't clean or perhaps just an older version, some won't run it. I think Retroarch uses those kinds of emulators, or maybe there was some weird issue with it. I gave up on Retroarch when it wouldn't properly play DOS games, which made me highly suspect of its entire design.

 

[wishbonetail]

If anyone is interested in turbograpgx emulator pce.emu for android, which is based on Mednafen.
Most common old version 1.5.13 runs MM3 iso mostly fine, albeit with some sound issues.
1.5.50 is the most recent one for android 11, which is free, wont launch mine MM3 iso and it is a pain in the ass to search for another.
1.5.58 as of now is paid, so fuck it.
Wanted to give it a go but after MM2 i'm kinda burned out. That shit is humongous, it surely
is a biggest game on SegaMD platform. It took me over a month with guides. Without guides i wouldve spent my remaining years in this one. And, oh boy, it surely is cryptic. Devs back in the days meant business with no hand holding.
If anyone wants to try it on a gamepad, don't. Just ..don't. It wasn't intended to be played this way. Word "tedious" means nothing to me now.
On a good side, Im pleasantly surprised at how consistent game design of these series is throughout the years. I think, you can launch any game from 1 to 8 and it will be mostly the same old MM. This is how you do transition from TB to realtime. Of course, TB combat felt more tactical, with status effects usage and realtime was mostly about hiding behind corners and strafing.
Overall, it was a good history lesson but I think for a newcomer MM3 is a way to go.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I haven't kept up in the Heroes 3 community with WOG, ERA2, SOD....

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Bah! Era is on the damn mega site. I keep getting (data overage bullshit). I'll ve sure to host that file elsewhere when/if i get it.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Most common old version 1.5.13 runs MM3 iso mostly fine, albeit with some sound issues.

The whole point is to get perfect sound effects.
If you can't, the PC version works perfectly well with average SFX.

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

FIY
Demo of Maters of the Unknown Worlds released.
https://rpgcodex.net/forums/threads/my-new-crpg-under-heavy-development.66765/page-4#post-7933236

(it is similar to M&M because you have to buy food at the pub)

 

[Darth Canoli]

(it is similar to M&M because you have to buy food at the pub)

 

[Lonely Vazdru]

At least he made an effort here to make it vaguely relevant to the thread, in the Wizardry one, he didn't even bother.

 

[mediocrepoet]

FYI
The Elder Scrolls IV: Oblivion is available on GOG.
https://af.gog.com/en/game/elder_sc..._of_the_year_edition_deluxe_the?as=1649904300

(it is similar to M&M because it has magic)

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

I have forgotten mention this is a Wizardry-like game. But I used the "need food for rest" idea from M&M.

 

[samuraigaiden]

Have you fellas addressed the MM2 Japan exclusive SNES version that got translated by MrRichard999? It's different from the SNES MM2 that was an European exclusive.

 

[0sacred]

quick q gize, in MM7 (and 8), when you wield the spear one-handed, does it count as a one handed or two handed weapon, speed wise? There was this tester on the TELP forums who said going spear+sword outshines the damage of axe+sword, but I have my doubts.

 

[wishbonetail]

quick q gize, in MM7 (and 8), when you wield the spear one-handed, does it count as a one handed or two handed weapon, speed wise? There was this tester on the TELP forums who said going spear+sword outshines the damage of axe+sword, but I have my doubts.

Recovery time of spear is 80, sword 90, axe 100. When dual wielding the highest value is used. So, i guess spear+sword would be 10 percent faster than sword+axe.

 

[Darth Canoli]

I have forgotten mention this is a Wizardry-like game. But I used the "need food for rest" idea from M&M.

You really know how to pluck the best features from the classics, don't you?

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

I have forgotten mention this is a Wizardry-like game. But I used the "need food for rest" idea from M&M.

You really know how to pluck the best features from the classics, don't you?

Yes, the goal was to make a Wiz/M&M-like game.
You gave me a great idea, I am going to implement the M&M 1-2 turn-based combat as well, optionally. Hmmm, it could not be so hard to program. Fighting with the 100 barbarians or was it 1000?

 

[Darth Canoli]

Yes, the goal was to make a Wiz/M&M-like game.
You gave me a great idea, I am going to implement the M&M 1-2 turn-based combat as well, optionally. Hmmm, it could not be so hard to program. Fighting with the 100 barbarians or was it 1000?

It's 99.
Let me give you another one, free/cheap assets packs to replace every single graphic asset.

 

[wishbonetail]

Yes, the goal was to make a Wiz/M&M-like game.
You gave me a great idea, I am going to implement the M&M 1-2 turn-based combat as well, optionally. Hmmm, it could not be so hard to program. Fighting with the 100 barbarians or was it 1000?

It's 99.
Let me give you another one, free/cheap assets packs to replace every single graphic asset.

It's 255. Largest number that can be stored in a single byte. Most of the numbers in MM1,2 are max out at 255.