Might and Magic The Might and Magic Discussion Thread

[lukaszek]

always deemed mm7 unfinished/rushed due to how most of the land are barren textures, but only now that im crafting many black potions i realized how rare ingredient flowers are.
Only 3 locations bothered to have them: starting island, home town and elf city

I'm confused by what you mean by this.

There are ingredients on almost every over world map in the game. The difference is that they're higher level ingredients so of course the first areas would only have the basics. And because they're higher level ones, you have to kill enemies more to get them rather than just picking them up. You can find dragoneyes just lying on the ground in Eofol, but you mostly need to kill dragons to get them for instance.

Also how in the world are they rare for you? I usually have to throw tons of the stupid basic blues/yellows/reds/greys away just because they constantly clog up my inventory. If you're THAT desperate you can generally buy them from alchemists. And if that doesn't suit your needs, you can always raid one of the many boxes that has like 20 of the damned things (like the ones in Harmondale's stable)

As for it being rushed. I never noticed it. MM8 on the other hand felt rushed (but still enjoyable).

erathia got absolute nothing
mount nipon or whatever nave it was - nothing save for the peak of the crater - location that to get you need to climb vertical walls over max flight height where some high level stuff is
land of giants - indeed some lost dragon eyes, also meteorites in certain high ground crater
evenmorn islands - nothing
deija - nothing unless you count feathers that you can pluck out of harpies
avle - limited to certain 20% piece of land with wyverns, where mid level gems are in the woods
tatalia - scathered troll blood around trolls.

when compared to above only harmondale, emerald island and elven capitol got properly placed herbs. Now compare it to maps in mm6...

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Aren't the maps a burnt muddy brown color? Maybe everything died off. Maybe....... SHEEP!!!

Anyway, the merged mod is using primarily 8 as the engine right? I need to watch a comparison vid or run two laptops and compare. I won't say I still would like to see another pet project performing a graphical overhall on 6-9.

 

[lukaszek]

another thing that dawned on me regarding mm7, it seems to lack mid level enemies? It goes straight from cannon bow fodder to dragons.
Party of casters with heroism+bless wont have to use magic since everything just dies to auto attacks. Up to the point when suddenly game shifts to dragons/minotaurs/behemoths that is. Not sure what would be closest to mid level enemy in mm7, perhaps wyverns? Too bad they can be only encountered in wilderness area so you can just keep running away.

Its another head scratcher for me, but helps me realise why I deemed mm8>mm7 even though its mm8 that was considered unfinished/rushed in here.

 

[Storyfag]

wyverns? Too bad they can be only encountered in wilderness area so you can just keep running away.

In the Tularean Caves too.

 

[Darth Canoli]

another thing that dawned on me regarding mm7, it seems to lack mid level enemies? It goes straight from cannon bow fodder to dragons.

What about the ogre fort from Alvar?
High level mercs as well roaming some areas and in some dungeons.
Not much is bow fodder until you get to master/GM bow and it's late game.

Before dragons, there is also the cyclops cave, the medusas from the mines, druids in some areas and a dungeon are pretty annoying. Even gogs, which are bow fodder but can hit pretty hard if you don't have a high fire res and good healing.

 

[lukaszek]

What about the ogre fort from Alvar?

perfect example of mid lvl content, its in mm8 though

High level mercs as well roaming some areas and in some dungeons.
Not much is bow fodder until you get to master/GM bow and it's late game.

if enemies get in melee range you deal even more damage, which can be utilised to deal easilly with following enemy

medusas from the mines

medusas are nice, but not enough of them attack you at once to be a danger

Before dragons, there is also the cyclops cave, the medusas from the mines, druids in some areas and a dungeon are pretty annoying. Even gogs, which are bow fodder but can hit pretty hard if you don't have a high fire res and good healing.

cyclops are mm7, druids mm6. In mm7 gogs are not a big problem even for low level parties - you deal with them even as you try to reach dwarves




I think only mid lvl dungeon would be mercenary guild in tatalia?

 

[Darth Canoli]

If you're searching difficulty in M&M 7, it's simple, just go to areas you don't belong, level wise or install the conspiracy something mod, but don't come crying it's too hard afterwards.

 

[cthscr]

i had uncommon (to me) chain of events in mm7.
- helped the dwarves
- betrayed both human and elven kingdom
- at that point Id normally expect a trumpet skirmish to start it didnt
- instead judge dies first

What did I do wrong? Some timing on my part?

Messenger event happens only from hour 1344 till hour 2016 (i.e. two months already but not three months yet) since building castle to level 2. No other prereqs.

 

[lukaszek]

i had uncommon (to me) chain of events in mm7.
- helped the dwarves
- betrayed both human and elven kingdom
- at that point Id normally expect a trumpet skirmish to start it didnt
- instead judge dies first

What did I do wrong? Some timing on my part?

Messenger event happens only from hour 1344 till hour 2016 (i.e. two months already but not three months yet) since building castle to level 2. No other prereqs.

heh, i wonder if I was teleporting around and always outside of that range

 

[Cryomancer]

In M&M VI, I think that the most powerful spell damage wise is shrapmetal. That spell was quite bad in M&M IV, only inflicting 2*caster level damage. However, in M&M VI the spell is extremely powerful. Each fragment dishes d6 * Dark Magic skill damage and at master level in dark magic, you can throw 7 of them. So with dark magic level = 20, that is ludicrous 20*7*d6 or 140d6 damage provided that all of the projectiles hit the enemy(Which is not hard on CQB). And the damage is physical, so resisting or negating the damage is unlikely for 99% of troublesome enemies.

 

[Storyfag]

Shrapmetal is love, shrapmetal is life.

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

Playing Might and Magic 7 again after 4 years and now i remember how much of a pain in the ass chest traps are in this game, i have a follower that gives me 6+ disarm skill plus 3 disarm skill from my party member and i still can not disarm even the most basic chests. I clicked on a random chest in the dwarven barrows and went direct to the game over cutscene, i died from full hp instantly didn't even heard a moaning sound of pain from my party members.

Might and Magic VII early game is much harder than Might and Magic VI early game, i played the latter recently so i know what i'm talking about.

 

[lukaszek]

Playing Might and Magic 7 again after 4 years and now i remember how much of a pain in the ass chest traps are in this game

mm7 traps got weird progression. For example assume that you play full caster party without traps skill:

at first you can just shrug of trap dmg and quickly heal.

Later on traps progress rapidly and quickly get to deal 90% of your hp. Also can break your chest armor piece. You can harden your armors and continue healing, but its annoying. If you get expert traps with some item boost, you will be fine for a while. Such a quality of life improvement for 9 points.

Eventually your resistance boosts kick in -> traps deal little damage and you just auto heal with regeneration.

Might and Magic VII early game is much harder than Might and Magic VI early game, i played the latter recently so i know what i'm talking about.

not really, with bless and heroism even party of casters will just auto attack. As I stated recently, in mm7 there are no mid level enemies

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

I found that i can hire a Burglar for free, that gives me +6 disarm skill and +6 stealing skill, btw how to steal in this game ?

My party just sucks, i didn't plan anything or read anything before creating the party, so my party members have no synergy with the skills. For example, my Ranger elf have merchant skill and identify item, he can not even be an expert in those skill. Plus they removed the yellow power potion that gave +10 in all attributes, that made a huge difference early game in MM6, scrolls cost more too. I just find MM7 a lot harder.

MM6 is harder late game though, i remember that when i beat MM7, late game was very easy, but i did some power gaming with the Monk, there's a super broken Monk build late game. In MM6 you physical damage party members do no damage late game, especially ranged damage, they just don't scale. There's a reason why they added shit like armsmaster and damage scaling to bows in MM7.

Whatever, i will keep playing with my shitty party, it's challenging and fun. I went to Tularean Forest to get some stronger bows, one of mistakes you can make in Might and Maigc 6,7 and 8 is to be stuck in an area until you clear it, if you have enough gold to spare, better to go to late areas and buy stronger equipments.

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

Man.. i gave up, i made some progress, got stronger, but now i'm just bored. Too much trash mobs and HP bloat and TOO MUCH WALKING, that's not a problem with just MM7 but with RPGs in general, i'm so bored with this genre, degenerate genre for homosexuals.

I'l go back to Heroes of Might and Magic, or maybe try Dungeon Keeper which look interesting. The strategy Might and Magic games just spoiled me, i find the RPGs series so unengaging nowadays. I can play Heroes III for 6 hours straight and not even notice the time passing, you know a game is good when you don't notice the time passing, but with the RPG series after 30 min i'm already bored to death.

Oh well.. great music though.

 

[Darth Canoli]

Man.. i gave up, i made some progress, got stronger, but now i'm just bored. Too much trash mobs and HP bloat and TOO MUCH WALKING

If you walk, you're doing things wrong, in M&M 3-5 you teleport, in M&M 6-8, you just fly and town portal.
There's a button to run, nobody walks, Greyface patch first, then don't bring a thief, even in M&M 3, it was a mistake, the Ninja was the man.

Fuck, thinking M&M 6 dumped Ninja and Barbarian classes is so sad.

Decline is everywhere.

 

[lukaszek]

I'l go back to Heroes of Might and Magic

songs of conquest

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

Man.. i gave up, i made some progress, got stronger, but now i'm just bored. Too much trash mobs and HP bloat and TOO MUCH WALKING

If you walk, you're doing things wrong, in M&M 3-5 you teleport, in M&M 6-8, you just fly and town portal.

I need a party member to be a master of Water and Air Magic, something like that, to use Town Portal or Fly. i'm not even close to that yet. Even then it does not fix my problem that the gameplay is just tedious, i don't have patience for killing tons of mobs like i had before, i did beat Might and Magic 6 this year though, but i had to slog through some really tedious sections like Mire of the dammed(so much trash mobs and armageddon does not even work on them) and the tons of Titans and Dragons later on that takes forever to kill.

However the game did hold my attention for 80 hours which is impressive for a RPG, so after playing both games i can say that i had more fun with MM6.

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

I'l go back to Heroes of Might and Magic

songs of conquest

I'm not into modern games, i hate the flash/clean look of them, they just feel soulless and i'm not even a boomer. I took a quick look into Songs of Conquest, meh, looks very generic and not even hiding that it's a Heroes clone, the gameplay might be good but there are tons of older strategy games that i have not played yet that looks way more interesting(and soulfull):

Age of Wonders
Castles
Dungeon Keepr
Disciples
Jagged Alliance
Majesty
Warlords series

and a few others on GOG.

Edit: and of course why not just play more Heroes II and III instead of a soulless clone ?

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Oh man, gotta stay away from HOMM; too addictive!

 

[Darth Canoli]

I need a party member to be a master of Water and Air Magic, something like that, to use Town Portal or Fly. i'm not even close to that yet. Even then it does not fix my problem that the gameplay is just tedious, i don't have patience for killing tons of mobs like i had before, i did beat Might and Magic 6 this year though, but i had to slog through some really tedious sections like Mire of the dammed(so much trash mobs and armageddon does not even work on them) and the tons of Titans and Dragons later on that takes forever to kill.

However the game did hold my attention for 80 hours which is impressive for a RPG, so after playing both games i can say that i had more fun with MM6.

Well, that's the thing, no sane mind can endure M&M 6 and M&M 7 in the same year.

Come back and play M&M 8 in 2 years and you'll probably enjoy it, if you don't have anything else to play.

 

[Mauman]

I need a party member to be a master of Water and Air Magic, something like that, to use Town Portal or Fly. i'm not even close to that yet. Even then it does not fix my problem that the gameplay is just tedious, i don't have patience for killing tons of mobs like i had before, i did beat Might and Magic 6 this year though, but i had to slog through some really tedious sections like Mire of the dammed(so much trash mobs and armageddon does not even work on them) and the tons of Titans and Dragons later on that takes forever to kill.

However the game did hold my attention for 80 hours which is impressive for a RPG, so after playing both games i can say that i had more fun with MM6.

Well, that's the thing, no sane mind can endure M&M 6 and M&M 7 in the same year.

Come back and play M&M 8 in 2 years and you'll probably enjoy it, if you don't have anything else to play.

I must not be that sane then as I played through MMMerge just two months ago....my 2nd time.

 

[Storyfag]

Oh man, gotta stay away from HOMM; too addictive!

11/10, would get addicted again.

 

[Storyfag]

I need a party member to be a master of Water and Air Magic, something like that, to use Town Portal or Fly. i'm not even close to that yet. Even then it does not fix my problem that the gameplay is just tedious, i don't have patience for killing tons of mobs like i had before, i did beat Might and Magic 6 this year though, but i had to slog through some really tedious sections like Mire of the dammed(so much trash mobs and armageddon does not even work on them) and the tons of Titans and Dragons later on that takes forever to kill.

However the game did hold my attention for 80 hours which is impressive for a RPG, so after playing both games i can say that i had more fun with MM6.

Well, that's the thing, no sane mind can endure M&M 6 and M&M 7 in the same year.

Hey, I routinely replay the MMMerge mod every few months...

Oh, wait...

sane mind

never mind.

 

[Sreggin Etah I]

This MMMerge mod looks retarded to me, i know it implements some quality of life of MM8 engine, like making notes on automap. But the way it mixes the games just does not fit:

the realistic portrait and backgrounds of MM6 mixed with the shitty 3D graphics from MM7&8.

The balance would be horrible too, using spell system and skill system(like alchemy) of MM8 in MM6, the game would become extremely easy and you playing the same party during the entire three campaigns, 100 hours of even easier trash mobs. I like having to adapt to each game mechanics and balances, like dark magic being shit in MM6, or having yellow power potions or no Preservation spell.

The mod just kill everything that makes each game unique, both gameplay and technical wise.

Correct me if my points are wrong, i haven't played it, but this abomination looks retarded:



That's not a attack on the modders, i appreciated the effort they put in creating this mod, but just not for me.