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[lukaszek]

how spells work in merge anyway? Which rules do they follow? Do you get 6th or 7th spark dmg?

 

[Storyfag]

8th.

 

[lukaszek]

8th.

does it also follow 8th classes or what? How chargen works, along with promotions and different masteries/ grand masteries and eligibility to them across those 3 games?

 

[0sacred]

Meh....having played both mm7 merge and non-merge multiple times, I'm pretty sure the damage formula is exactly the same for firebolt (and by pretty sure, I mean "yes, it is"). Yes, a martial character can hit harder, but you don't HAVE to hit harder to kill something, you just have to hit hard enough. 5 (I mean 4 + whatever the cleric is doing) firebolts can take out weaker enemies from a distance and the harpies in the Deya Moors aren't exactly the most difficult enemies around.

edit - edited due to realizing a cleric is in that group.

by "killing everything easily" I didn't imagine casting Firebolt a dozen times on every single enemy, which is what it would take to kill the undead and harpies with Firebolt. Sounds more like tedium than anything.

 

[catfood]

Quesion about the Merge Mod:

In MM7 the idiotic devs added hated races/classes for the monsters, meaning that certain monsters would mostly (read: almost exclusively) attack certain races and classes, leading to the point where instead of having the damage spread out equally among the party you would always have one guy who constantly got pummeled by enemies and thus requiring constant healing. The only rational way of playing MM7 was to have all the party members be one race in order to mitigate this problem, though like I said before sometimes enemies had hated classes as well (undead targeted clerics etc.) and that was much more difficult to get around. Does MM8 or the Merge Mod handle this differently? I want to play this because trying out different race/class combinations is the best part of fantasy RPGs for me, but if the mechanic is still in place I'll just go with an all human party or something and call it a day.

 

[Mauman]

Quesion about the Merge Mod:

In MM7 the idiotic devs added hated races/classes for the monsters, meaning that certain monsters would mostly (read: almost exclusively) attack certain races and classes, leading to the point where instead of having the damage spread out equally among the party you would always have one guy who constantly got pummeled by enemies and thus requiring constant healing. The only rational way of playing MM7 was to have all the party members be one race in order to mitigate this problem, though like I said before sometimes enemies had hated classes as well (undead targeted clerics etc.) and that was much more difficult to get around. Does MM8 or the Merge Mod handle this differently? I want to play this because trying out different race/class combinations is the best part of fantasy RPGs for me, but if the mechanic is still in place I'll just go with an all human party or something and call it a day.

This is generally overblown.

How it works in MM7 -

Humans enemies (not warlocks, mages, clerics, brigands, and champions) hate elves.

Elves hate humans

Goblins hate dwarves (lol)

Dwarves hate Goblins.

You almost never fight dwarves (unless you're doing something you really shouldn't be doing). Elves only come up once in a blue moon. Goblins are a joke past the first areas.

Really, the only race you have to worry about is elves and only when fighting human champion enemies. I suppose the brigand types can be dangerous as well. Actually, not the case. It's only really the basic soldiers and thieves that hate elves. Champions are actually programmed to go after MEN (and knights) over anything else. Turns out Brigands don't care either.

So, don't worry about it? Alternatively, don't use filthy elves? Seriously, don't worry about it.

Fact is, most of the "preferred enemy" deals in mm7 are based on your class. So you're going to have to deal with that no matter what unless you want to be super boring and go all 4 same race/class/sex.

edit - hilariously enough, it's probably sex that will trip someone up the most. Women are targeted by vampires and (this is the big one, literally) titans. Men get targeted by harpies (lol) and champions. And yeah champions hit like dumpster trucks, but (as mentioned) even if your knight(s) are women, they'll still target them due to targeting men AND knights.

 

[Storyfag]

8th.

does it also follow 8th classes or what? How chargen works, along with promotions and different masteries/ grand masteries and eligibility to them across those 3 games?

I made a post about it 2 or 3 days ago. It has a grand mix of everything. You can have a Necromancer from the start, which is a (nerfed) tier 2 class and can upgrade to Lich or dark Archmage by doing the Lich promotion quest from either MM7 or MM8, or the Archmage promotion quest from MM6.

Or you can have a Sorcerer, which is a tier 1 class and can upgrade to Wizard through either the MM6 or MM7 Wizard promotion quest, and then can go on to Lich just as the Necromancer above, or to Archmage through either the MM6 promotion quest or the MM7 promotion quest.

So tough luck starting with a Sorcerer in Jadame, as all the promotion quests for him are in Enroth and in Antagarich. Likewise, a Minotaur class character can only progress to Minotaur Lord through the quest in Jadame. The Jadamean promotion quests for Clerics and Knights bring you only to tier 2, if I recall correctly.

It is also possible to have various weird race and class combinations, like a vampire cleric, iirc.

 

[Mauman]

8th.

does it also follow 8th classes or what? How chargen works, along with promotions and different masteries/ grand masteries and eligibility to them across those 3 games?

It is also possible to have various weird race and class combinations, like a vampire cleric, iirc.

Vampire cleric works if you play MM7 and go priest of dark

I do think the Vampire druid I ran with once might be a bit on the nose though.

 

[lukaszek]

8th.

does it also follow 8th classes or what? How chargen works, along with promotions and different masteries/ grand masteries and eligibility to them across those 3 games?

It is also possible to have various weird race and class combinations, like a vampire cleric, iirc.

Vampire cleric works if you play MM7 and go priest of dark

I do think the Vampire druid I ran with once might be a bit on the nose though.

can you be vampire lich?

 

[Mauman]

8th.

does it also follow 8th classes or what? How chargen works, along with promotions and different masteries/ grand masteries and eligibility to them across those 3 games?

It is also possible to have various weird race and class combinations, like a vampire cleric, iirc.

Vampire cleric works if you play MM7 and go priest of dark

I do think the Vampire druid I ran with once might be a bit on the nose though.

can you be vampire lich?

No. You can be vampire wizard/necromancer and get promoted, but the game won't let you go lich. Not that you need it. You have all of the upsides with none of the downsides. You get an equivalent, but game recognizes you're already undead.

Vampires, generally speaking, are a bit overpowered when used with magic classes. Their mist ability in particular is extremely strong when paired with decent spellcasting. Don't use them if that bothers you.

 

[lukaszek]

honestly i just keep shelving solo mm6 run and now I have more options... Although Im not sure that solo dual vampiric daggers is 'fair'

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

I never tried 7 or 8, what’s with the undead? Lemme take a gander.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/197943-might-and-magic-viii-day-of-the-destroyer/faqs/9310

Character types and races have been through several changes throughout the Might & Magic series. M&M 1-5 had you pick both a race and a class for your characters. The class determined hit points, spell points, and which equipment you could use. The race determined innate resistances, and applied certain
bonuses and penalties to your statistics.

In Might & Magic 6, only human characters were available, and only six classes.

Each character had certain skills available to them depending on their class, though some were universal and could be mastered by any class. In M&M 7, the races were brought back, and the number of classes expanded. Skills were also much more exclusive now; while many skills could be learned by different
classes, the level of mastery possible varied. For instance, most characters
could use a bow, but only the Archer could reach the highest level of mastery with it.

Might & Magic 8 uses a combination of the systems of 6 and 7; for the first time in Might & Magic history, there is no difference between a race and a class. There are eight character types to pick, three of which are human. The other five are of different races by their very nature.

The classes are also more exotic this time. The only classes that were imported from previous games are the Knight and the Cleric. The Necromancer is the third human character, and is similar to the Mage in earlier M&M games. New additions
include the Dark Elf, the Troll, the Minotaur and the Vampire, all fresh and interesting characters. Finally, one or more of your characters can be Dragons, and they're every bit as powerful as you might expect.

Uh WHAT?!! Ok…. I guess I assumed it was similar to 7.

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/pc/143119-might-and-magic-vii-for-blood-and-honor/faqs/27762

Kind to think about it, in 7 does no one choose Light?

 

[Storyfag]

in 7 does no one choose Light?

I think plenty of people do. Light Magic is actually pretty powerful when it comes to party buffs, where it lacks the direct damage output of Dark Magic.

 

[lukaszek]

I never tried 7 or 8, what’s with the undead? Lemme take a gander.

what is your question?

you can play a party of undeads(vampires and liches, sadly no skeletal dragons). There is whole undead faction that feels very homm like.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Well, I always thought HOMM and the series was pretty closely tied for a while until the whole company went up into smoke. From XEEN & HOMM1 continuing onwards. I would have never known about the cutting room floor of HOMM3 and the tech city until people started grabbing assets and worked to build the city type in mods at the HOMM community. That place rages onwards in HOMM modding (like I needed it with just basic HOMM addiction….. so many years playing HOMM took away my thirst to just play rpgs). Brings back Populous fevers from Genesis & Amiga days.

 

[Grunker]

I never tried 7 or 8, what’s with the undead? Lemme take a gander.

what is your question?

keighn only does stream-of-consciousness-posting in game threads, you're not meant to interact

 

[TheDeveloperDude]

in 7 does no one choose Light?

I think plenty of people do. Light Magic is actually pretty powerful when it comes to party buffs, where it lacks the direct damage output of Dark Magic.

Yes, I have played MM7 choosing the Light Path. It has so big defense, enemy could not hurt my party, and I killed everything using weapons. If I remember correctly.

Which one looks better?
Hardware renderer (Grayface HR version):


Software renderer:


I prefer the old software renderer, it has better mood.

Are these Merge features? I have 3 spell master NPCs, that is +12 magic skills.
In pure MM6/7/8 these were not cumulative, only +4 ?
Same change for SP regeneration items?

 

[Red Hexapus]

So... some of my friends tend to screen very shitty movies in a local pub every Monday. Imagine my surprise, when I saw Might & Magic III in a movie being screened tonight.
The movie is Scary Tales from 1993 and it's really shitty. Proof below at 47:52.

 

[KeighnMcDeath]

Man, that dude sucks and so does his computer. How many times did he keep rebooting in that scene?

 

[Grunker]

I almost always go light in MM7, mainly because I think it has more QoL. Hour of Power especially is just QoL incarnate.

 

[jackofshadows]

HoP multiplies buffs though so it's much more than just QoL, same for day of protection. Also, caster focused party doesn't really need those buffs.

 

[Grunker]

it's much more than just QoL

Obviously. But QoL is the reason I like to go that route.

I also never go pure cast. I almost always go Knight - Hybrid - Hybrid - Purecaster. It allows me more options and is generally weaker than most parties, which is good, because these games are easy enough as it is.

 

[jackofshadows]

It allows me more options and is generally weaker than most parties, which is good, because these games are easy enough as it is.

I agree that's why I was taking another shitty hybrid instead of knight when did runs like that. Skipping on a proper caster too and use npcs instead is too much for me though, always autistically take +10 and +15 learning guys in mm7.

 

[Grunker]

It allows me more options and is generally weaker than most parties, which is good, because these games are easy enough as it is.

I agree that's why I was taking another shitty hybrid instead of knight when did runs like that. Skipping on a proper caster too and use npcs instead is too much for me though, always autistically take +10 and +15 learning guys in mm7.

Yeah, I really enjoyed my Monk - Thief - Cleric - Wizard run. Monks get GM learning!

 

[Mauman]

Both light and dark are great. I've played both light and dark side of mm7 multiple times and I always feel the loss of the other.

I appreciate that I don't have to choose with the merge mod.

Also, I was just testing the mm6 skill switchers in blackshire. They work perfectly. You want a Lich with light magic GM? You can do that. A priest of the Sun with dark? Yup. You can switch back and forth with no penalty to the skills themselves (if you were dark Grand, now you're an equal level of Light Grand). Only thing is you have to relearn your spells. Which is a bit annoying.

It's a wee bit silly