Decline The new Thiaf game is MASSIVE decline - Eidos Forum Refugee Camp

[aris]

Now, without a complete redesign of the levels, it will never actually support that gameplay, just allow you to try a facsimile thereof.

Do you actually know this, or are you just projecting this out of your hate boner, and just basically guess-making?

 

[Sonus]

It's one of those things that is readily apparent once you get into modding, coding, and/or game design.

 

[sea]

I agree with you here on every point except for when you said that objective reviews are unattainable. To me (and my preferred form of a game review as well), an objective review would be to objectively state all the things of a game as well as its pros and cons without making any conclusions or stating any opinions. Ideally, using this information, the reader would then be able to make whatever conclusion they wish to make but after thinking about it, you are most likely right in regards to the fact that this kind of review is not what most people want.

"Pros" and "cons" are in themselves value judgements and therefore inherently subjective.

 

[Zeriel]

Impossible, as proven by a hundres years of 'objective' as a goal in journalism.

It actually worked pretty well in that golden era before the journalists completely sold out.

 

[Shralla]

Saw somebody on Thief forum trying to say that a lack of jumping in games is not exactly heresy, and then cited Bionic Commando (the first of which didn't let you jump but gave you a grappling hook that could attach to ANYTHING. The 2009 version let you jump) and Grand Theft Auto (which has had jumping since the very first one) as examples. What are these people trying to get at? Cover shooters don't let you jump, and neither does Legend of Zelda. Other than that there's really no excuse, and I would't really consider those two to be very good excuses either.

 

[AlexOfSpades]

You cant jump in Pokemon. Pokemon sold a lot. Therefore, Thiaf shouldnt have jump mechanics either, so it will sell a lot. Problem, Shralla ?

 

[Zewp]

It's awesome how people meet the argument about piss-poor AI with "but look how bad the AI in Thief 1/2 was!!".

I actually had someone tell me that the piss-poor AI was a callback to AI in Thief 1/2.

I swear, there is something really fishy with the lengths people go to to defend this atrocity.

 

[Borelli]

Garrett's ability to jump freely is proportional to the game's ambition to be a good product and not a lame copycat.

 

[SharkClub]

Love how the dev team has Ass Creed, Far Cry and Tomb Raider all over their list of games worked on. Really says a lot.

 

[No Great Name]

I agree with you here on every point except for when you said that objective reviews are unattainable. To me (and my preferred form of a game review as well), an objective review would be to objectively state all the things of a game as well as its pros and cons without making any conclusions or stating any opinions. Ideally, using this information, the reader would then be able to make whatever conclusion they wish to make but after thinking about it, you are most likely right in regards to the fact that this kind of review is not what most people want.

"Pros" and "cons" are in themselves value judgements and therefore inherently subjective.

For example, there are quite a few games out there that have the plot and the gameplay mechanics exist in separate vacuums, sometimes even contradicting each other. Would this not be considered a con? Would Planescape Torment be as praised if you were only told that The Nameless One cannot truly die as a part of the plot but when he dies during the game it's an immediate game over?

 

[Eyeball]

You know, I was actually considering getting this game. But those sex scenes....Jesus.

I really dodged a bullet here. Thanks, gentlemen.

 

[DragoFireheart]

those sex scenes satisfy muh dik

 

[Eyeball]

Yur dik is

You may wish to see a doctor about that.

 

[AngryKobold]

According to popular knowledge, tatoos on neck and palms mean:
a) having no job
b) having a job that pays no taxes
c) sucking taxes as a locator of institutions like prison or addiction recovery center

Good to know it can also mean being a hack working at Eidos Montreal.

 

[DragoFireheart]

Whenever I see a "professional" that is an unwashed, unshaven, tattooed freak, I know I can safely disregard them.

 

[Boleskine]

Whenever I see a "professional" that is an unwashed, unshaven, tattooed freak, I know I can safely disregard them.

 

[Siel]

 

[Jaedar]

*layoffs*

Afaik, its very common for studious to lay off employees shortly after release, you don't need as many testers any more.

 

[racofer]

*layoffs*

Afaik, its very common for studious to lay off employees shortly after release, you don't need as many testers any more.

On Thi4f's case, no testers have been fired.

 

[Echo Mirage]

Yes it is true we've let 27 people go today, unfortunately it's something that every major studio has to do sometimes in order to ensure you have the right set up for current and future projects. It's never a nice thing to do but we are genuinely trying to offer as much support as much as we can. We're trying to re-locate as many people as possible into other roles here or at our other studios and we've been in touch several studios in Montreal to arrange a career day for those affected by this. We're very thankful for all their hard work and we sincerely wish them well.

Sounds like they have purged a lot, if not most of the Thiaf team. I expect EM will now only have the Deus Ex team and have them work on both Thiaf and DX. If not have them just as the Deus Ex studio and nothing else.

 

[AstroZombie]

 

[tuluse]

Sounds like they have purged a lot, if not most of the Thiaf team. I expect EM will now only have the Deus Ex team and have them work on both Thiaf and DX. If not have the just as the Deus Ex studio and nothing else.

I'm pretty sure it's going to become the Dues Ex studio like Infinitron predicted, and Thief will go back into the crypt.

 

[Siel]

and Thief will go back into the crypt.

Until Bethesda buys it.

 

[Echo Mirage]

A Thief game from Arkane. Better or worse then Eidos Montreal ?

 

[AstroZombie]

A Thief game from Arkane. Better or worse then Eidos Montreal ?

Dishonored is a much better game than NuThief, so I'd go with better.