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The Outer Worlds - Obsidian's first-person sci-fi RPG - now with Murder on Eridanos DLC

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And the writing, though interestingly context-aware at times (in terms of NPC responses),
It's probably the most reactive dialogue in any RPG, and that's where my praise for the game ends. It's shocking how well it does exactly one thing and one thing only.
 

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TOW is a mediocre product made by mediocre people

At every level of design and development the game was touched by a multitude of mediocre hands that have shaped it into what it is

There is almost nothing redeeming about any facet of it
 

ciox

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feels like reactive dialogue and "omg you can kill anyone" became more fashionable lately, it's like an attempt to compress reactivity and choices into bullet points, rather than diving deep into each quest
all the uncoordinated interns can build whatever crummy quests/interactions they feel like, then at the end you slap on bullet point features like reactive NPC dialogue and "you can kill all quest NPCs" and presto
 

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
 
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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
only because of tim cain's autism requiring everyone to be able to be killed
if it was up to the writer, you wouldn't have been able to obviously
 

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TOW is a mediocre product made by mediocre people

At every level of design and development the game was touched by a multitude of mediocre hands that have shaped it into what it is

There is almost nothing redeeming about any facet of it
It's so mediocre, Codex can't stop talking about how mediocre it is.
"This is the most average turd I've ever tasted!"
 

KVVRR

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
It's so weird that they especifically mentioned that they decided not to add any denigrating dialogue options regarding Parvati's sexuality but left the option to do stuff like this enabled on the game. Not that I'm complaining, being a complete monster's always fun games like these.
Wish that the NPCs wouldn't help you kill their loved ones if you don't one shot them though. It makes it super weird to have her helping me bash the leader of the first colony you visit's head in then turn around and ask "what's wrong with you???"
 

Duraframe300

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
It's so weird that they especifically mentioned that they decided not to add any denigrating dialogue options regarding Parvati's sexuality but left the option to do stuff like this enabled on the game. Not that I'm complaining, being a complete monster's always fun games like these.

They didn't decide *not to add*. It was Dollarhyde deciding to bastadize the charachter/quest line after taking over from Chris L'Etoile because *muh discrimination*.
 

KVVRR

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
It's so weird that they especifically mentioned that they decided not to add any denigrating dialogue options regarding Parvati's sexuality but left the option to do stuff like this enabled on the game. Not that I'm complaining, being a complete monster's always fun games like these.

They didn't decide *not to add*. It was Dollarhyde deciding to bastadize the charachter/quest line after taking over from Chris L'Etoile because *muh discrimination*.
Railroading the player's speech options is a deliberate option regardless of reason.
 
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There’s another interesting wrinkle to the conversation with Parvati, when she opens up. In most RPGs like The Outer Worlds, players are granted a wide range of responses to every situation. You can be nice, you can be an asshole, you can be indifferent. In this moment, when Parvati chooses to be vulnerable, the game explicitly limits your range of responses.
“I want that conversation to feel like a safe space for the players who are playing it and identify with it,” she said. “I don't want to pull the rug out from under them and say, ‘Haha, actually you're a joke,’ or ‘other people think you are a joke.’ [...] I don't want to write a homophobia simulator. [laughs] That's not what I got in the game writing for.”
— Kate Dollarhyde, Obsidian Entertainment, 2019
 

Duraframe300

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
It's so weird that they especifically mentioned that they decided not to add any denigrating dialogue options regarding Parvati's sexuality but left the option to do stuff like this enabled on the game. Not that I'm complaining, being a complete monster's always fun games like these.

They didn't decide *not to add*. It was Dollarhyde deciding to bastadize the charachter/quest line after taking over from Chris L'Etoile because *muh discrimination*.
Railroading the player's speech options is a deliberate option regardless of the reasons.
What?

Of course its deliberate, but you found it weird that the option to shoot it still exists and this is a possible answer. Not enough time for Dollarhyde to prevent it as its related to gameplay. Planned or potentially already written dialogue (After all we know that L'Etoile had at least already written a first pass of the whole quest line) is much easier to adjust.
 

ciox

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
You can kill everyone, you also want to, just so they'll shut the fuck up already.

Seems like a double-edged sword.
 

KVVRR

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You can kill the asexual lesbian strong independant engineer self-insert mid-date. This is great and fuck you for thinking otherwise.
It's so weird that they especifically mentioned that they decided not to add any denigrating dialogue options regarding Parvati's sexuality but left the option to do stuff like this enabled on the game. Not that I'm complaining, being a complete monster's always fun games like these.

They didn't decide *not to add*. It was Dollarhyde deciding to bastadize the charachter/quest line after taking over from Chris L'Etoile because *muh discrimination*.
Railroading the player's speech options is a deliberate option regardless of the reasons.
What?

Of course its deliberate, but you found it weird that the option to shoot it still exists and this is a possible answer. Not enough time for Dollarhyde to prevent it as its related to gameplay. Planned or potentially already written dialogue (After all we know that L'Etoile had at least already written a first pass of the whole quest line) is much easier to adjust.
You're assuming that the first pass of her quest line already had such options in place when as far as we know he stopped writing Parvati fairly early on.
I don't think Dollarhyde has enough pull to actively betray one of the core ideas the game was developed with in mind - which both Cane and Boyarski heavily emphatized on - simply because she wanted the conversation to be a safe space. So she changed - or wrote from scratch, really doesn't matter - what she could to make it what she personally wanted. I don't see what you're arguing about, we both think it's a bad thing.
 

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Yeah, I had similar impressions. I cannot even point at a single thing and say "THIS is what's wrong with it", here it's sort of an all-encompassing feeling of boredom. The game technically has every system such a game should have, but is just so damn dull; it's like it's lacking anything fun in it. Kind of like eating an unflavoured tofu – it doesn't taste bad, it just doesn't taste at all.
Yeah, I had similar impressions. I cannot even point at a single thing and say "THIS is what's wrong with it", here it's sort of an all-encompassing feeling of boredom. The game technically has every system such a game should have, but is just so damn dull; it's like it's lacking anything fun in it. Kind of like eating an unflavoured tofu – it doesn't taste bad, it just doesn't taste at all.

Yeah it has the overall feel of game-design-by-numbers. There's a cool idea struggling to get out, but the gameplay is irredeemably average, and so anxiously stuffed with things for the player to do and notice that it doesn't feel like an adventure so much as a theme park ride, with obsequious servants ushering you along to some POI wherever you're standing. None of the places feel like real places, they all feel like a bundle of Pavlovian levers for "the player" to press and get a reward. It's overwrought, it doesn't have any breathing space.

And the writing, though interestingly context-aware at times (in terms of NPC responses), is just a whole bunch of stuff-that-people-would-never-actually-say (i.e. it's student-level writing).

Yes there is this overall sense of blandness and not just specific parts. I get the themes the designers were going for, but it seems to be all done in a very underwhelming way.
I should like the old style sci-fi serial theme, going out into space for adventure and mystery, but I don't as there is not really any of this to find. Just more places to shoot things and collect stuff and occasionally a little bit of lore with most of it being fluff as most of the people's logs records don't tell us anything we didn't already know.
And gameplay wise as I mentioned before this game is not impressive as we have seen the mechanics before. There is the flaw system but how many of us were going to take one for the sake of roleplaying? At no point I felt like taking a flaw in order to unlock a perk as a lot of the perks don't feel worth it. I would much rather have that the game would give me extra skill points instead if I took a flaw as later on some skills checks require high skills. (BTW I am not sure if replacing dice rolling with skill checks was such a good idea, it could perhaps have made a good addition)

So it is really the content of the game it needs to bank on and it fails at that. Settlements for one.
I wanted to go into detail about the content but most of you already know about it and I don't want to waste people's time with unneeded rambling.

Right now I am doing Peril at Gorgon. It has one thing in common with the Fallout New Vegas DLCs in that most of the content consists of just shooting and collecting stuff. I like the FNV DLCs but their major flaws IMO was the excessive filler by making people go through long stretches of land with little real content, and the focus on fetch quests.

There’s another interesting wrinkle to the conversation with Parvati, when she opens up. In most RPGs like The Outer Worlds, players are granted a wide range of responses to every situation. You can be nice, you can be an asshole, you can be indifferent. In this moment, when Parvati chooses to be vulnerable, the game explicitly limits your range of responses.
“I want that conversation to feel like a safe space for the players who are playing it and identify with it,” she said. “I don't want to pull the rug out from under them and say, ‘Haha, actually you're a joke,’ or ‘other people think you are a joke.’ [...] I don't want to write a homophobia simulator. [laughs] That's not what I got in the game writing for.”
— Kate Dollarhyde, Obsidian Entertainment, 2019

(not meant at your Rusty)
Or you could have made it 'nothing special' instead of inflating it to the level that you did. Opposite from a 'homophobia' simulator you did not need to make it a 'homosexual praising' simulator. (I know it doesn't really do that but I can't feel that this was one of the writer's personal investment parts)
Like it or not Dollarhyde, not everyone shares your opinion regarding 'different sexuality' and creating 'safe spaces'. Most of us don't hate it but also simply don't care .
The only reason I went through this quest was in order to get the perk for the character and I would much rather have done a different quest as these 'shopping for a companion' quests always feel like filler.

It's probably the most reactive dialogue in any RPG,
I hope they take the dialogue and put into much better game. It's quite impressive how the player , companions and NPCs play off each other
If you mean the idea behind the dialogue then I also think it would be interesting if it is more expanded on. But not this level of writing.


On another note; yeez Vicar Max really lets other people walk over him if he allows people to call him whatever they want.
If his presence in my team did not boost my hacking skills I would have left him on the Unreliable.
 

The Wall

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301 pages. Three hundred and one. Spent on being surprised that bunch of angry tattooed blue haired trans-feminist lesbians are bad at writting believable and relatable characters to non-angry tattooed blue haired trans-feminist lesbians. Also, army of mediocre and cucked programmers who work as their slaves designed RPG systems so that angry tattooed blue haired trans-feminist lesbians wouldn't find it hard. Because hard reminds them of penises. And penises are Evil

Now let's write for next 700 pages whether company (Obsidian) that's owned by company (Microsoft) that rises WOKE flag high and donates to BLM and LGBTQ++ organisations will have bunch of niggers and trannies in their next product. Itz a Mystery worth spending your life on
 

The Wall

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Outer Worlds is by far unironically BEST RPG that the most powerful nation on Earth, that is A-ME-RI-CAAA, produced in past 5 years. Ameriiiicaaaa, FUCK-YEAH! *Explosion*
 

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There’s another interesting wrinkle to the conversation with Parvati, when she opens up. In most RPGs like The Outer Worlds, players are granted a wide range of responses to every situation. You can be nice, you can be an asshole, you can be indifferent. In this moment, when Parvati chooses to be vulnerable, the game explicitly limits your range of responses.
“I want that conversation to feel like a safe space for the players who are playing it and identify with it,” she said. “I don't want to pull the rug out from under them and say, ‘Haha, actually you're a joke,’ or ‘other people think you are a joke.’ [...] I don't want to write a homophobia simulator. [laughs] That's not what I got in the game writing for.”
— Kate Dollarhyde, Obsidian Entertainment, 2019
If they make children invulnerable in games then they should make minorities so too, physically and emotionally. Outer Worlds was a bad game though since it was anti-free market. Capitalism managed to put man not just on the moon but colonized the stars and despite everyone being diverse and you got BAMEs everywhere everyone is depicted as stupid except for white Rick Sanchez who is allowed to be a smart commie.
 

The Wall

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If they make children invulnerable in games then they should make minorities so too, physically and emotionally. Outer Worlds was a bad game though since it was anti-free market. Capitalism managed to put man not just on the moon but colonized the stars and despite everyone being diverse and you got BAMEs everywhere everyone is depicted as stupid except for white Rick Sanchez who is allowed to be a smart commie.
This is all YOUR fault. JEW
 
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