The Outer Worlds Pre-Release Thread [GO TO NEW THREAD]

[Yosharian]

Trying to ape Borderlands in the gameplay department I guess.

 

[BEvers]

Leveled equipment? Really? If true that's just... sad.

They've already committed to level scaling enemies. If they had level 20 mobs dropping level 5 loot they'd probably not get a good reception.

 

[Haplo]

Loot should be hand-placed, in reasonable places and with reasonable power. Gaps between beginner kit and end-game equipment should not be 10x better. Rather x1,5 - x3.

 

[Infinitron]

Trying to ape Borderlands in the gameplay department I guess.

https://www.twitch.tv/videos/403654112?t=47m03s

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

1. As an oblivion competitor/inspired game

https://youtu.be/KgPD-ThCwZM?t=39

So people will buy this piece of shiet under the assumption of being a sandbox FPS/RPG with 100 hours of gameplay and this is not going to happen.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

This is a disaster in the making heading towards its inevitable crash

Thus Spoke the Prophet of the Pozzed Worlds

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I never liked the basic gameplay in New Vegas, and this thing looks like the same, but worse.

That's because the basic gameplay of NV was made by Bethesda. Obsidian can't make decent moment to moment gameplay if their lives depended on it.

 

[Infinitron]

Obsidian developers intentionally and deliberately attack non-hostile NPCs in an area where you're not really supposed to engage in combat, at point-blank range where you can see their AA-budget character models cover half the screen, and then hit them with a weapon that GLITCHES THEIR FACES.

Codexers: WTF why does this look bad?

Obsidian: WTF why do people hate this?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Obsidian developers intentionally attack non-hostile NPCs in an area where you're not really supposed to engage in combat, at point-blank range where you can see their AA-budget models cover half the screen, and then intentionally hit them with a weapon that GLITCHES THEIR FACES.

Codexers: WTF why does this look bad?

Obsidian: WTF why do people hate this?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

Now ask yourself: how do I explain this? Probably because the game has so little combat inserted somewhere in a quest that would take forever to find... so they have to attack NPCs to show that "combat".

They pretend to make a FPS/RPG to receive money from the publishers and fool gamers, but the game has a barebones empty gameworld, terrible gameplay with C&C, that thing that most players will ignore. It won't please neither the traditional fanbase nor causal players. Good for them that they will release this piece of crap on Epic store. It will be a loss making event.

 

[Quillon]

I'm more concerned with technical presentation; couldn't they fix screen tearing for instance, it was apparent back in december gameplay, then there is no anisotrophic filtering, graphical & other glitches, combined with no VO...a piss poor presentation of the game, why did they greenlighted this to be shown to public I don't know, especially when they showed a more polished demo months before.

Only thing I can understand is the quest they've shown presents that the game reacts even when you go psycho in the middle of the quest and even rewards you. And the ugly stick is for the memes and for journos to write shit titles about; "Wow! the bug became a feature!"

 

[Infinitron]

Only thing I can understand is the quest they've shown presents that the game reacts even when you go psycho in the middle of the quest and even rewards you. And the ugly stick is for the memes and for journos to write shit titles about; "Wow! the bug became a feature!"

The folks on the Obsidian forums are all over it: https://forums.obsidian.net/topic/1...g-on-a-town-killing-spree-is-not-a-good-idea/

I don't know, maybe we're the crazy ones.

 

[Devilkingx]

Obsidian developers intentionally and deliberately attack non-hostile NPCs in an area where you're not really supposed to engage in combat, at point-blank range where you can see their AA-budget character models cover half the screen, and then hit them with a weapon that GLITCHES THEIR FACES.

Codexers: WTF why does this look bad?

Obsidian: WTF why do people hate this?

Stupid, stupid, stupid.

But doesn't it kind of undermine the fact that they're making a choice based RPG if there's wrong ways to play the game?

Even making an area where they don't have combat in mind at all seems like a bad idea

(remember when deus ex human revolution let you stealth/hack/speech your way through everything except the mandatory boss fights that would be really hard on a non-combat focused character?)

Plus, this area had a bunch of guards trying to block you by force, and the combat there also looked... Underwhelming and that was definitely intended combat.

 

[The Wall]

I went to a Mosque and said Muhammed didn't take care of his beard and was pedo. You won't believe it but people actually disagreed! Some quite strongly at that! Oh, thank you nurse for painkillers, where was I, except in hospital....oh yes! Dunno, maybe it's us guys. We crazy ones

For those guys at Obsidian forum Obsidian can't do no evil cause even Obsidian's evil is good cause it's Obsidian's. Cult like behaviour, too common on every official game company's forums. Bad place for objective, logical and free opinion of anything Obsidian or anything related to owner company's behaviour in general. Always thought 90% of people there were employees in disguise or wanna-be unpaid employees. Basically mentally the same people

 

[Infinitron]

For those guys at Obsidian forum Obsidian can't do no evil cause even Obsidian's evil is good cause it's Obsidian's. Cult like behaviour, too common on every official game company's forums. Bad place for objective, logical and free opinion of anything Obsidian or anything related to owner company's behaviour in general. Always thought 90% of people there were employees in disguise or wanna-be unpaid employees. Basically mentally the same people

Not really true from my experience. Check out their Epic-exclusivity thread, for instance.

But in this particular case, for this particular topic, maybe.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

But doesn't it kind of undermine the fact that they're making a choice based RPG if there's wrong ways to play the game?

Even making an area where they don't have combat in mind at all seems like a bad idea

(remember when deus ex human revolution let you stealth/hack/speech your way through everything except the mandatory boss fights that would be really hard on a non-combat focused character?)

Plus, this area had a bunch of guards trying to block you by force, and the combat there also looked... Underwhelming and that was definitely intended combat.

By choice RPG they have in mind mostly narrative choices in dialogues. Deus ex type of choices involves emergent gameplay, which is completely different. In a sense, these types of games are the very antithesis of Obsidian games, for obvious reasons. The more freedom the player has, the less narrative impact and narrative restrictions the player has. C&C storyfag cRPGs have nothing to do with Deus Ex gameplay.

 

[Duraframe300]

For those guys at Obsidian forum Obsidian can't do no evil cause even Obsidian's evil is good cause it's Obsidian's. Cult like behaviour, too common on every official game company's forums. Bad place for objective, logical and free opinion of anything Obsidian or anything related to owner company's behaviour in general. Always thought 90% of people there were employees in disguise or wanna-be unpaid employees. Basically mentally the same people

Not really true from my experience. Check out their Epic-exclusivity thread, for instance.

But in this particular case, for this particular topic, maybe.

May have nothing to do with you being butthurt, right?

 

[cosmicray]

2. As a $20 indie RPG on steam

I wonder what's in the contract with their publisher and Epic. Could they sell the game for $0 for example? Probably not, but $30-$40 price could be a lifesaver here. It looks AA, but if there is a good game underneath, the low price won't hinder its financial success. But with the full blown $60 price it'd be perceived as AAA and bomb right away.

 

[Infinitron]

The Outer Worlds was confirmed to be a $60 title at the beginning of Game Informer month: https://rpgcodex.net/forums/index.p...leonard-boyarsky.119594/page-155#post-5997798

 

[Jenkem]

At this point it's pretty clear that Obsidian had nothing (or next to nothing) to do with the Epic exclusivity. It's all on Private Division (Take Two), who are taking most of their games there.

bullshit. tim and leonard are literal corporate cucks. they won't even address it because they are such cowards they don't want to offend their (((masters))) obsidian is just as culpable.

and what's worse is that they, through many of their games, espouse advocacy for workers rights and consumers rights, but when reality hits they are corporate shills, through and through.

 

[Deleted Member 16721]

Yeah, right. Like TIMNARD has any say whatsoever on this decision. You're dreaming if you believe that.

 

[Ismaul]

The folks on the Obsidian forums are all over it

Fanboys gonna fanboy. Shouldn't be surprising. But that's not representative of the demo's reception.

 

[rusty_shackleford]

There's zero reason for developers to have a forum for anything other than bug reports.
If they care about feedback, check other sites that discuss your game. Any developer forum will become a circlejerk.

 

[Ismaul]

C&C storyfag cRPGs have nothing to do with Deus Ex gameplay.

True. But why not both? I like both. And they're not mutually exclusive.

The more freedom the player has, the less narrative impact and narrative restrictions the player has.

Why not tie emergent gameplay decisions to the narrative? Some, at least? C&C choices don't have to be made exclusively through dialogue.

Yeah I know we're talking about Obsidian and they suck at it, I'm just talking in general here. Still, Tim and Leon seem less tied to the classical dialogue-centric Obsidian approach. And maybe CP2077 will have some of that.

 

[Roguey]

Nice to see a few more people waking up to the truth about Tim Cain.

 

[sullynathan]

It's like game developers and gamers alike prefer to have fun. Wasn't it Tim & Leonard that couldn't keep playing the original fallout recently?