The Outer Worlds: Spacer's Choice Edition - Obsidian's first-person sci-fi RPG set in a corporate space colony

[Heroic Liberator]

Dumb mode... as if it can be called as such, it is occasional voluntary dumbness which doesn't make sense but it gets a pass from everyone as an incomplete/inconsistent feature.

It's just a marketing shtick at the end of the day. Had they wanted to do such a thing properly, they would've designed it from the getgo and integrated it pre-release.

 

[Roguey]

TOW's dumb mode is just as safe as the game itself. Main character isn't mentally retarded, he's just dumb.

Fo1-2 and Arcanum's low INT MC is mentally retarded, but those games are too old and sjw probably never played them.

The caveman speak was extreme.

 

[Zed Duke of Banville]

Dumb still allows you to pick smart options, so it's kinda pointless.

Flavor text is the preferred method of "C&C" for far too many Codexers.

 

[Latelistener]

Waiting for the SJWs to freak out and suppress dumb mode in some misguided effort to "protect" mentally retarded people.

The SJW plague is much scarier than COVID-19, but no one is panicking.

 

[Sweeper]

I remember being excited for Outer Worlds cause I heard Cain and Boyarsky were working on it.

Then it was revealed it was an FPS/RPG. Then I saw that pic of Cain with his retarded no numbers, geometry based stats. Then I saw the perks on the wiki shortly after release.
I've got 2 regrets.
One's thinking that Obsidian made good RPGs (New Vegas is evidently a fluke). The other's that Obsidian wasn't acquired by EA so they can be gutted like a fish.
I'm just surprised you guys rated it so highly on the 2019 GOTY poll.

It's a common observation, made by people such as Tucker Carlson, that in the 21st century West women increasingly "have their shit together" more than men. They goof off less, they're more likely to earn a university degree, they seem more well-adapted to succeeding in bureaucratic structures where the most important thing is to follow instructions and get along to go along. Think of the stereotype of the corporate HR lady.

Not everything you see in a video game made by people from California is there to piss you off. Sometimes it's just the writers writing what they know.

Instead of writing a long winded post where I try to be smarter than I am, I'll just post this.

Spoiler

 

[MadMaxHellfire]

https://www.polygon.com/features/2020/3/17/21179387/the-outer-worlds-dumb-mode-fallout

The Outer Worlds continues Fallout’s 20-year-old ‘dumb’ mode tradition

i thought that was the -only- mode available.

 

[Sailor Woedica]

so thriving!

 

[vortex]

so thriving!

I just want to know. Is 'thriving' an upgrade or downgrade from 'fierce' ? :D

 

[Fedora Master]

Not even the R34 for this is thriving. A failure on all fronts.

 

[Tim the Bore]

I remember being excited for Outer Worlds cause I heard Cain and Boyarsky were working on it.

Then it was revealed it was an FPS/RPG. Then I saw that pic of Cain with his retarded no numbers, geometry based stats. Then I saw the perks on the wiki shortly after release.
I've got 2 regrets.
One's thinking that Obsidian made good RPGs (New Vegas is evidently a fluke). The other's that Obsidian wasn't acquired by EA so they can be gutted like a fish.
I'm just surprised you guys rated it so highly on the 2019 GOTY poll.

It's a common observation, made by people such as Tucker Carlson, that in the 21st century West women increasingly "have their shit together" more than men. They goof off less, they're more likely to earn a university degree, they seem more well-adapted to succeeding in bureaucratic structures where the most important thing is to follow instructions and get along to go along. Think of the stereotype of the corporate HR lady.

Not everything you see in a video game made by people from California is there to piss you off. Sometimes it's just the writers writing what they know.

Instead of writing a long winded post where I try to be smarter than I am, I'll just post this.

Spoiler

Spengler was one of the most primitive and misguided philosphers in the history of western thinkers. His system is based on countless contradictions, so much in fact, that even he admitted that (in the introduction to the second edition of "Der Untergang..."). The examples he used to illustrate his opinions were so wrong, he become laughing stock for everyone, who has ever seen his works. Did you actually read his books, beyond "Der Untergang..."? In "Der Mensch und die Technik" he claims that carnivores have eyes only in front of the face - while herbivorous on the sides, no exception - and because of that they only hunt in solitude. Apparently he never heard of wolves. In "Politische Pflichten..." he claims that all art should be abandoned, once and for all, because it's imposiible to create more. So according to his views even you presence here is a mistake.

Going back to "Der Untergang...", did you ever managed to understood what he meant about meaning of Wachsein and Dasein? Probably not much and you know why? Because even he couldn't do it. He wasn't the first nor the last to wrote something about the crisis of the West, he was just the loudest and most obnoxious about that. He was the one who criticized others for being to europocentric and he was the one who claimed that "muh Faustian culture" - West - was special among the others (and German nation was special among faustians) for being the only carnivorous culture that understood the meaning of "space".
Also, using his logic, majority of folks here on Codex are unable to appreciate games like, say, Pathfinder: Kingmaker or any other non-american game - because they came from different culture. In fact, enjoying this game - or even, worse, being inspired by it - would be seen as a giant mistake: you would create pseudomorphosis.
Ffs, so many smarter thinkers were forgotten by the history, and, of course, the dumbest one prevail.

So maybe instead of posting this charlatan you should actually try to be smarter than you are.

 

[Sweeper]

Just call it Decline of the West. Posting the original title makes you seem like a pretentious faggot.

 

[Tim the Bore]

Just call it Decline of the West. Posting the original title makes you seem like a pretentious faggot.

"Decline" is not a very good translation. It misses all the nuances of the original title, the sense of the natural ending of the culture.

 

[Sailor Woedica]

so thriving!

I just want to know. Is 'thriving' an upgrade or downgrade from 'fierce' ? :D

Fierce is like Lana Del Rey on her Born to Die album cover and thriving is like her on her Lust for Life cover!

 

[gurugeorge]

I remember being excited for Outer Worlds cause I heard Cain and Boyarsky were working on it.

Then it was revealed it was an FPS/RPG. Then I saw that pic of Cain with his retarded no numbers, geometry based stats. Then I saw the perks on the wiki shortly after release.
I've got 2 regrets.
One's thinking that Obsidian made good RPGs (New Vegas is evidently a fluke). The other's that Obsidian wasn't acquired by EA so they can be gutted like a fish.
I'm just surprised you guys rated it so highly on the 2019 GOTY poll.

It's a common observation, made by people such as Tucker Carlson, that in the 21st century West women increasingly "have their shit together" more than men. They goof off less, they're more likely to earn a university degree, they seem more well-adapted to succeeding in bureaucratic structures where the most important thing is to follow instructions and get along to go along. Think of the stereotype of the corporate HR lady.

Not everything you see in a video game made by people from California is there to piss you off. Sometimes it's just the writers writing what they know.

Instead of writing a long winded post where I try to be smarter than I am, I'll just post this.

Spoiler

Spengler was one of the most primitive and misguided philosphers in the history of western thinkers. His system is based on countless contradictions, so much in fact, that even he admitted that (in the introduction to the second edition of "Der Untergang..."). The examples he used to illustrate his opinions were so wrong, he become laughing stock for everyone, who has ever seen his works. Did you actually read his books, beyond "Der Untergang..."? In "Der Mensch und die Technik" he claims that carnivores have eyes only in front of the face - while herbivorous on the sides, no exception - and because of that they only hunt in solitude. Apparently he never heard of wolves. In "Politische Pflichten..." he claims that all art should be abandoned, once and for all, because it's imposiible to create more. So according to his views even you presence here is a mistake.

Going back to "Der Untergang...", did you ever managed to understood what he meant about meaning of Wachsein and Dasein? Probably not much and you know why? Because even he couldn't do it. He wasn't the first nor the last to wrote something about the crisis of the West, he was just the loudest and most obnoxious about that. He was the one who criticized others for being to europocentric and he was the one who claimed that "muh Faustian culture" - West - was special among the others (and German nation was special among faustians) for being the only carnivorous culture that understood the meaning of "space".
Also, using his logic, majority of folks here on Codex are unable to appreciate games like, say, Pathfinder: Kingmaker or any other non-american game - because they came from different culture. In fact, enjoying this game - or even, worse, being inspired by it - would be seen as a giant mistake: you would create pseudomorphosis.
Ffs, so many smarter thinkers were forgotten by the history, and, of course, the dumbest one prevail.

So maybe instead of posting this charlatan you should actually try to be smarter than you are.

The thing with Spengler is like the thing with Freud. Freud was a charlatan, but his books are still worth reading, a) because he's a good writer, and b) because sometimes he points to deep things that aren't yet within the orbit of scientific understanding but are nevertheless real, and have to be coped with somehow.

If you think about where Freud got his stuff from, well it's mainly from the literary tradition. And the literary tradition is about noticing and savouring subtleties of human behaviour that haven't been codified, but are nevertheless real. Or again, it's like music - some of the emotions music elicits have no name, they maybe come around once in a blue moon, yet they're still solid "things" of some sort. Or like lovemaking, where the gestures and touches have an infinite range of subtlety and an unknown vocabulary of their own. There are lots of examples in life where our understanding is lacking, yet we have an intuitive sense - and we must have an intuitive sense, we have to stake our claim somewhere, because there's a truth of the matter out there, even if we haven't yet grasped it fully in conceptual terms.

So I think Spengler is like that, often wrong in details, but worth reading for a big picture take (which is necessarily going to have some details wonky).

 

[Tim the Bore]

Spengler was one of the most primitive and misguided philosphers in the history of western thinkers. His system is based on countless contradictions, so much in fact, that even he admitted that (in the introduction to the second edition of "Der Untergang..."). The examples he used to illustrate his opinions were so wrong, he become laughing stock for everyone, who has ever seen his works. Did you actually read his books, beyond "Der Untergang..."? In "Der Mensch und die Technik" he claims that carnivores have eyes only in front of the face - while herbivorous on the sides, no exception - and because of that they only hunt in solitude. Apparently he never heard of wolves. In "Politische Pflichten..." he claims that all art should be abandoned, once and for all, because it's imposiible to create more. So according to his views even you presence here is a mistake.

Going back to "Der Untergang...", did you ever managed to understood what he meant about meaning of Wachsein and Dasein? Probably not much and you know why? Because even he couldn't do it. He wasn't the first nor the last to wrote something about the crisis of the West, he was just the loudest and most obnoxious about that. He was the one who criticized others for being to europocentric and he was the one who claimed that "muh Faustian culture" - West - was special among the others (and German nation was special among faustians) for being the only carnivorous culture that understood the meaning of "space".
Also, using his logic, majority of folks here on Codex are unable to appreciate games like, say, Pathfinder: Kingmaker or any other non-american game - because they came from different culture. In fact, enjoying this game - or even, worse, being inspired by it - would be seen as a giant mistake: you would create pseudomorphosis.
Ffs, so many smarter thinkers were forgotten by the history, and, of course, the dumbest one prevail.

So maybe instead of posting this charlatan you should actually try to be smarter than you are.

The thing with Spengler is like the thing with Freud. Freud was a charlatan, but his books are still worth reading, a) because he's a good writer, and b) because sometimes he points to deep things that aren't yet within the orbit of scientific understanding but are nevertheless real, and have to be coped with somehow.

If you think about where Freud got his stuff from, well it's mainly from the literary tradition. And the literary tradition is about noticing and savouring subtleties of human behaviour that haven't been codified, but are nevertheless real. Or again, it's like music - some of the emotions music elicits have no name, they maybe come around once in a blue moon, yet they're still solid "things" of some sort. Or like lovemaking, where the gestures and touches have an infinite range of subtlety and an unknown vocabulary of their own. There are lots of examples in life where our understanding is lacking, yet we have an intuitive sense - and we must have an intuitive sense, we have to stake our claim somewhere, because there's a truth of the matter out there, even if we haven't yet grasped it fully in conceptual terms.

So I think Spengler is like that, often wrong in details, but worth reading for a big picture take (which is necessarily going to have some details wonky).

Oh, I agree. Reading his works is a great source of information - just the sheer size of his popularty is already enough to pay attention to him. He was really good at expressing fears and worries of europeans - not even through the content of his works, but through the form itself. His main argument - that West is changing from creative culture to sterile civilisation - is persuasive and graphic as fuck. He clearly hit a sensitive spot. From historic point of view it's really worthwhile to know his stuff (that said, Spengler wasn't particularly original - he mostly combined views of others philosphers, mostly Nietzsche and Dilthey, though I guess you could say that he was the first one to do it in such a spectacular fashion. And my god, he wasn't a good writer, reading him is a road through hell. Very persuasive hell though).

But to actually consider him to be a worthwhile as a thinker and trying to apply his ideas in practice - that is absurd and that is what I was against.

 

[gurugeorge]

Spengler was one of the most primitive and misguided philosphers in the history of western thinkers. His system is based on countless contradictions, so much in fact, that even he admitted that (in the introduction to the second edition of "Der Untergang..."). The examples he used to illustrate his opinions were so wrong, he become laughing stock for everyone, who has ever seen his works. Did you actually read his books, beyond "Der Untergang..."? In "Der Mensch und die Technik" he claims that carnivores have eyes only in front of the face - while herbivorous on the sides, no exception - and because of that they only hunt in solitude. Apparently he never heard of wolves. In "Politische Pflichten..." he claims that all art should be abandoned, once and for all, because it's imposiible to create more. So according to his views even you presence here is a mistake.

Going back to "Der Untergang...", did you ever managed to understood what he meant about meaning of Wachsein and Dasein? Probably not much and you know why? Because even he couldn't do it. He wasn't the first nor the last to wrote something about the crisis of the West, he was just the loudest and most obnoxious about that. He was the one who criticized others for being to europocentric and he was the one who claimed that "muh Faustian culture" - West - was special among the others (and German nation was special among faustians) for being the only carnivorous culture that understood the meaning of "space".
Also, using his logic, majority of folks here on Codex are unable to appreciate games like, say, Pathfinder: Kingmaker or any other non-american game - because they came from different culture. In fact, enjoying this game - or even, worse, being inspired by it - would be seen as a giant mistake: you would create pseudomorphosis.
Ffs, so many smarter thinkers were forgotten by the history, and, of course, the dumbest one prevail.

So maybe instead of posting this charlatan you should actually try to be smarter than you are.

The thing with Spengler is like the thing with Freud. Freud was a charlatan, but his books are still worth reading, a) because he's a good writer, and b) because sometimes he points to deep things that aren't yet within the orbit of scientific understanding but are nevertheless real, and have to be coped with somehow.

If you think about where Freud got his stuff from, well it's mainly from the literary tradition. And the literary tradition is about noticing and savouring subtleties of human behaviour that haven't been codified, but are nevertheless real. Or again, it's like music - some of the emotions music elicits have no name, they maybe come around once in a blue moon, yet they're still solid "things" of some sort. Or like lovemaking, where the gestures and touches have an infinite range of subtlety and an unknown vocabulary of their own. There are lots of examples in life where our understanding is lacking, yet we have an intuitive sense - and we must have an intuitive sense, we have to stake our claim somewhere, because there's a truth of the matter out there, even if we haven't yet grasped it fully in conceptual terms.

So I think Spengler is like that, often wrong in details, but worth reading for a big picture take (which is necessarily going to have some details wonky).

Oh, I agree. Reading his works is a great source of information - just the sheer size of his popularty is already enough to pay attention to him. He was really good at expressing fears and worries of europeans - not even through the contents of his works, but through the form itself. He's main argument - that West is changing from creative culture to sterile civilisation - is persuasive and graphic as fuck. He clearly hit a sensitive spot. From historic point of view it's really worthwhile to know his stuff (that said, Spengler wasn't particularly original - he mostly combined views of others philosphers, mostly Nietzsche and Dilthey, though I guess you could say that he was the first one to do it in such a spectacular fashion. And my god, he wasn't a good writer, reading him is a road through hell. Very persuasive hell though).

But to actually consider him to be a worthwhile as a thinker and trying to apply his ideas in practice - that is absurd and that is what I was against.

I'm personally of the opinion that there's life left in the old dog (the West) yet. We're not done yet. But yeah, I think if you want to have a more up-to-date assessment of what it means to be European, White, etc., you're talking about contemporaries like Duchesne, Kevin MacDonald (who recently tied up a bunch of research into our ancestral past, along with genetics, evolutionary psychology, etc., to get a snapshot of the general European psyche and its roots). And there is something there that's a bit like Spengler's "Faustian" contention. The exploratory spirit, seeking new horizons to conquer (sometimes literally) is definitely part of us; so is an allegiance to truth (in testimony particularly, i.e. one's word) above all; so is a particular blend of collectivist and individualistic ideals (think of the Social Democracy of the Nordic countries - fundamentally capitalistic, but with a strong emphasis on collective action to ameliorate the condition of the less well-off, etc.).

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I remember being excited for Outer Worlds cause I heard Cain and Boyarsky were working on it.

Since Troika, both produced nothing but trash.

Then I saw that pic of Cain with his retarded no numbers, geometry based stats.

He said that the first Fallouts are too complicated and should be streamlined. Sellout.

I'm just surprised you guys rated it so highly on the 2019 GOTY poll.

And I'm surprised you still think that the Codex GOTY is a reliable indicator of quality.

 

[Daidre]

I'm just surprised you guys rated it so highly on the 2019 GOTY poll.

And I'm surprised you still think that the Codex GOTY is a reliable indicator of quality.

TOW was #38 in the list of 41 games total. Right where it belongs as far as my experience with it goes.

I'd say Codex GOTY 2019 list is a pretty reliable indicator of quality.

 

[Slaver1]

The cutest character was designed by a spiteful SJW for the explicit purpose of cucking the male player-base. You can say a lot about this moribund husk of a videogame but that should be enough.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

The cutest character was designed by a spiteful SJW for the explicit purpose of cucking the male player-base. You can say a lot about this moribund husk of a videogame but that should be enough.

They literally hate their target audience and yet players still defend them and buy their games.

 

[*-*/\--/\~]

Waiting for the SJWs to freak out and suppress dumb mode in some misguided effort to "protect" mentally retarded people.

Even the term 'mentally retarded' is now off limits for the SJWs. It is now officially called 'intellectual disability'.

Wonder where I found out? Out of curiosity, I clicked through the job openings at Activision Blizzard. :D

I had to wade through several pages about gender bullshit, race bullshit, veteran status bullshit, disability bullshit etc. before their questionnaire asked me what I can actually do. FFS.
People who are competent enough to actually get accepted would realize they don't really want to work there halfway through wading through this crap.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

Even the term 'mentally retarded' is now off limits for the SJWs. It is now officially called 'intellectual disability'.

Wonder where I found out? Out of curiosity, I clicked through the job openings at Activision Blizzard. :D

I had to wade through several pages about gender bullshit, race bullshit, veteran status bullshit, disability bullshit etc. before their questionnaire asked me what I can actually do. FFS.
People who are competent enough to actually get accepted would realize they don't really want to work there halfway through wading through this crap.

The existence of SJWs is predicting on combating the perceived injustices of society.

If the perceived injustices diminish or vanish, they need to find new sources of bias and prejudice in order to keep the interest alive in the narrative.

That’s why they are always pushing the envelope.

The irony is that this is all make-believe discourse to come across as morally superior in the internets.

 

[Deleted Member 22431]

I'd say Codex GOTY 2019 list is a pretty reliable indicator of quality.

There are plenty of games there that are not cRPGs by any stretch of the imagination.

 

[Daidre]

There are plenty of games there that are not cRPGs by any stretch of the imagination.

I'd say Codex GOTY 2019 list is a pretty reliable indicator of quality.

There are plenty of games there that are not cRPGs by any stretch of the imagination.

Quality and Genre Purity are a two different measures. And I was talking only about quality.
Imho, with Deus Ex #6, Jagged Alliance 2 #14 and System Shock 2 #23 at all-time RPG list arguing about Genre Purity in GOTY 2019 is pointless.

Won't change the fact that 50,8% of 472 voters who played TOW ended up hating or just disliking it.

 

[Infinitron]

This date might coincide with a DLC announcement: https://outerworlds.obsidian.net/en...s-to-launch-on-nintendo-switch-on-june-5-2020

THE OUTER WORLDS TO LAUNCH ON NINTENDO SWITCH ON JUNE 5, 2020

Greetings employees of Halcyon,

We wanted to share an exciting update that we plan on launching The Outer Worlds for the Nintendo Switch on June 5th, 2020. As we prepare for another arrival of new colonists, we have some very important information for those making this journey, specifically for you colonists who prefer your goods in physical form: The retail version The Outer Worlds comes on a physical cartridge, and it will be accompanied by a day one patch that could be up to 6 GB. This patch will optimize gameplay, provide additional hi-res textures, and include other fixes to provide the employees of Halcyon with the best gameplay experience. Please ensure you have planned accordingly and have available space necessary for the patch.

The Outer Worlds for Nintendo Switch will retail for $59.99 digitally and physically. We appreciate your dedication to the Board. And remember: it’s not the best choice, it’s Spacer’s Choice!