The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

[Allanon]

I care and cared about it for a long time, since the PS2 days. I was thinking about selling my PS4 Pro after buying PS5 but now I'm not yet sure that's going to be the case. It's also annoying having to buy an additional controller because the DS4 only works in backward compatibility mode.
If you buy Xbox Series X, you're pretty much getting a better version of every Xbox console released and even the old controllers are going to work on it. As someone who never owned an Xbox, I'm looking at Series X as a retro gaming console as much as the next game machine. There are still some exclusives I want to play from the original 2001 Xbox as well as the 360. It's also about game preservation and not having to hunt down used old hardware through ebay. I don't think the newer games are better than the old ones and there are still tons of games I missed that I want to play.

Play older games all you want, that's not the point. The point is making new hardware all about replaying old games instead of creating new experiences.
Look at Xbox reviews posted yesterday, they mainly about replaying old games. People comparing and arguing what console loads old games faster. It's laughable.

 

[Venser]

Play older games all you want, that's not the point. The point is making new hardware all about replaying old games instead of creating new experiences.
Look at Xbox reviews posted yesterday, they mainly about replaying old games. People comparing and arguing what console loads old games faster. It's laughable.

That's because there are no next gen Xbox games out yet so all they can do is showcase the old ones. They really needed to have the new Halo game ready on launch but it got delayed. It's even on the back of the console box lol

 

[Allanon]

That's because there are no next gen Xbox games out yet so all they can do is showcase the old ones. They really needed to have the new Halo game ready on launch but it got delayed. It's even on the back of the console box lol

And instead of calling them out on that, people trip over themselves to excitedly tell the world on youtube how quick fast travel is now in Witcher 3.
Half the reviews are about how the black box is better/worse than white clam.
What the fuck happened?

 

[DJOGamer PT]

Jesus, who the fuck cares about backward compatibility? Seriously, are you buying new hardware to play old crap over and over again?

'' Oh? You want to revisit those cool games from the previous generation on your new console, like you could do with the older consoles? And you even have the physical copies of those games? Well to bad goy fellow gamer. Our new NeetStation 360 doesn't suport backwards compatibility. Unless you pay for the internet subscription, and rent re-buy them as a digital copy in our online store for their full price. What? Some of those games aren't available for purchase in the store seeing as we didn't bother to include them as they weren't best sellers back in the day? Well you can always buy the old NeetBox, it's not like we ended their production years ago. And hey, maybe one day those games might received a soulless cash-grab remake, and then you can play them again in our new NiiTube. What? No!!! You can't use emulation that's ''ilegal''! REEEEEE!!! Lawyers!! Shut those emulator sites down NOW!!! ''

 

[Cromwell]

' Oh? You want to revisit those cool games from the previous generation on your new console, like you could do with the older consoles? And you even have the physical copies of those games? Well to bad goy fellow gamer. Our new NeetStation 360 doesn't suport backwards compatibility. Unless you pay for the internet subscription, and re-buy them in our online store for their full price. What? Some of those games aren't available for purchase in the store seeing as we didn't bother to include them as they weren't best sellers back in the day? Well you can always buy the old NeetBox, it's not like we ended their production years ago. And hey, maybe one day those games might received a soulless cash-grab remake, and then you can play them again in our new NiiTube. What? No!!! You can't use emulation that's ''ilegal''! REEEEEE!!! Lawyers!! Shut those emulator sites down NOW!!! ''

Thats not true. You can use old dvds. I have a physical copy of red dead redemption for 360 and can run it fine on my one (and series X when I have it) Same goes for lost odysee. both gaes together cost me 10 euros or so. But you are right that it doesnt work with all the old games. The rebuy store thing is sony specific

 

[Assisted Living Godzilla]

if you care about backward compatibility why don't you buy a computer in the first place ffs

This point used to makes sense. It hasn't made as much sense since now you've got to do all kinds of shit to get some older games to run, and even then they may not work like they should on newer PCs. I've still got an old PC with XP hooked up so I've never had to deal with any of that shit if I want to play older games.

 

[J_C]

if you care about backward compatibility why don't you buy a computer in the first place ffs

This point used to makes sense. It hasn't made as much sense since now you've got to do all kinds of shit to get some older games to run, and even then they may not work like they should on newer PCs. I've still got an old PC with XP hooked up so I've never had to deal with any of that shit if I want to play older games.

BS. Windows 10 runs most old games without a problem. I haven't even encountered one which doesn't run, and I run games from the 80s.

 

[Generic-Giant-Spider]

What sort of GAMER doesn't keep a Windows 95 desktop nearby for emergency Elder Scrolls: Arena'ing like Todd Howard does?

 

[Bloodeyes]

Can only afford one of these. I'm very tempted by the xbox because of gamepass. Playstation's version of this isn't available in my country. Still, I'm not sure I trust the build quality of microsoft's consoles. My friend is an xbox guy whose consoles break on him periodically. When I mention this he tells me how good Microsft's customer support has been in replacing them but I don't want to have to deal with customer support at all. Would rather have a console that doesn't break in the first place. Most likely will stick with PS.

Say what you will about consoles but it's pretty awesome for a poor student to be able to drop a few hundred and have access to the latest games for close to a decade. In a couple years when my PC is out of date and relegated to retro gaming the ps5 will just be getting started.

 

[tritosine2k]

I just can't get over how Sony portables have quite monocled ancestry, first commercial use of More than Moore™ 3D stacked chips , stacked video ram(!!!!) at that, and now this x86 (under)powered carpet hovercraft with D.O.A. OLED TV's supposed to be good ?!

 

[Dexter]

 

[Venser]

Covid is the reason to be exited about PS5. When you can't go out and socialize, when you can't go to work, at least you can play on your new console lol

 

[Konjad]

Covid is the reason to be exited about PS5. When you can't go out and socialize, when you can't go to work, at least you can play on your new console lol

Thanks to covid I already almost cleared my steam backlog, even including low priority bundle games

 

[J_C]

We all joke on Kotaku being the joke site it is, but when you read something retarded like this, it is really on another level. This site cannot die fast enough.

 

[Venser]

Xbox Series uses an outdated PCI 3 SSD

Western Digital SN530 1TB

• Random Read/Write IOPS Up to 400/400K
  
• Random Read/Write IOPS Up to 400/400K
  
• Sequential Read/Write Up to 2,400/1,950 MB/s
  
• PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe v1.4
  
• Endurance 400 TBW

https://hypedpixels.com/rumor-ssd-inside-xbox-series-x-is-a-standard-m2-drive-by-western-digital/

 

[Markman]

Watch Dogs Legion at upscaled 4k/30 with raytracing enabled on cheap ass $299 series S.

 

[Machocruz]

I go out to work and socialize, but the reason to not be excited is no fucking games worth buying these PoSes for, not Kotakuin political faggotry

 

[Taxnomore]

Look. I ordered a new laptop and went to fetch it this morning at 8:30.

The clerk told me : "I am sorry, I cannot give you your laptop before 10 AM because of the coronavirus.".

So why not.

 

[Taxnomore]

Watch Dogs Legion at upscaled 4k/30 with raytracing enabled on cheap ass $299 series S.

Yep.
There is no next gen as of now.

Just a minor hardware refresh because of the law of disminishing returns. They are going to have a lot of trouble justifying why new games should not be able to run on a PS4 PRO or a XoneX.

And here goes another reminder about the fact that no actual next gen titles have been even announced.

 

[Zer0wing]

And here goes another reminder about the fact that no actual next gen titles have been even announced.

There's no next-gen titles announced since 2013...

 

[Caim]

And here goes another reminder about the fact that no actual next gen titles have been even announced.

There's no next-gen titles announced since 2013...

With PC there is only current gen.

 

[Morgoth]

Xbox Series uses an outdated PCI 3 SSD

Western Digital SN530 1TB

• Random Read/Write IOPS Up to 400/400K
  
• Random Read/Write IOPS Up to 400/400K
  
• Sequential Read/Write Up to 2,400/1,950 MB/s
  
• PCIe Gen3 x4 NVMe v1.4
  
• Endurance 400 TBW

https://hypedpixels.com/rumor-ssd-inside-xbox-series-x-is-a-standard-m2-drive-by-western-digital/

Funnily enough it loads most games faster than PS5.

 

[Venser]

Funnily enough it loads most games faster than PS5.

Yeah, for some strange reason PS5 can't load games faster while working in the backward compatibility mode but that's not gonna be the case with new games. PS5 loading games in BW is around the same as PS4 Pro with an SSD installed.

 

[Morgoth]

Well Microsoft also has to sell their games to PC gamers, where the vast majority still use PCI 3-based motherboards. So that was a foreseeable compromise all along.

 

[TemplarGR]

Yep.
There is no next gen as of now.

Just a minor hardware refresh because of the law of disminishing returns. They are going to have a lot of trouble justifying why new games should not be able to run on a PS4 PRO or a XoneX.

And here goes another reminder about the fact that no actual next gen titles have been even announced.

Well, it is too early to have games that fully exploit the next gen capabilities. Early current gen in 2013 was garbage as well. Most games released in 2020/21 and perhaps well into 2022 are going to be designed for current gen systems and be multiplatform with few exceptions.

As for PC, you can expect most 2021 AAA games to need a Geforce RTX 3080 Ti to run at 1080p at constant 60fps with all features enabled. Retard developers on PC always think PC gamers spend thousands of dollars per year on their machines for some reason, then they complain when sales are not up to par and blame it on piracy.