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The PS5 and Xbox 2 thread - it's happening

Discussion in 'General Gaming' started by Makabb, Mar 22, 2018.

  1. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    And this is a with a cross-gen game. What are they gonna do once more and more GPU resources are being used to make the games look "next-gen" you have to wonder.
     
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  2. Morgoth Arcane Patron

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    1080p for XSX and 540p for XSS?
     
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  3. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    I think raytracing is a gimmick that is going to be forgotten soon, like the 3D televisions and VR. It is the "bloom" effect of this decade. It won't go away, but developers will finally understand that they don't need it to sell games so they don't need to overdo it and they will just use it occasionally here and there and try to optimize its usage for the optimal visual quality/performance.

    I repeat, unless we get to the point where raytracing is the bulk of a gpu and raster hardware goes away, it won't be important. Seeing the puddles of water is nice, i get it, but who gives a fuck when playing a game? Current non-raytraced puddles looked just fine anyway.
     
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  4. Gerrard Arcane

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    You know why that is? Because if they made them blurry, people wouldn't notice any difference from how the games they played without it looked, because the available techniques are "good enough".
    I guess nvidia couldn't pay studios enough to just drop non-RTX reflections completely to make fake comparisons.
     
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  5. SlamDunk Arcane

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    The next one from Fumito Ueda is the only console game I'm looking forward to. Hopefully it will be a native PlayStation 5 title (with no PS4 version).

    http://www.gendesign.co.jp/E_index.html
     
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  7. Riddler Magister Patron

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    Just realized that the next gen games will be 80$. Who is the target audience here? Why would you buy a console that will have worse graphics than a PC barely any exclusives and games that cost 33% more?

    This especially goes for the XBOX where as far as I'm aware, everything will be on PC as well.

    Can anyone explain what's going on here?
     
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  8. Konjad High on potatoes Patron

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    Xboxes have Gamepass, which is to be the main selling point of theirs.

    Dunno what Sony came up with.

    Microsoft doesn't really care if you play on Xbox or Windows as long as you pay for the gamepass.
     
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  9. TemplarGR Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Bethestard

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    No explaining needed, we are living in a world where Apple exists...

    Besides, developers will be crippling PC performance on purpose, as per usual, to push more console sales. Be prepared to be needing an Nshitia 5090 Ti with 32GB VRAM for proper 1080p60fps console ports. LOL.
     
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  10. Volrath Arcane Patron

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    Ngl, I would've bought a PS5 if it enabled me to play all the ps1,2 and 3 games I gathered through the decades. Completely skipped over the latest generation and looks like I'll be doing that again.
     
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  11. Cromwell Arcane

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    would have done the same but without backwards compatibility the decision was easy.
     
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  12. Neuromancer Learned

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    Xbox Portable:
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  13. deadmeme Learned

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    Gamepass system is the worst. Just give me the game that I can buy. I do not care about Fallout 12, I want Morrowind. You can get Morrowind for 15 dollars on GOG, while the Gamepass costs 10. I will surly play Morrowind thousands of hours, and for that I need to overpay games market value. It is bullshit. I have boxed and GOG version of the game, but now with the Microsoft's acquisition of the company, they can withdraw it from anywhere except for Microsoft stores.
     
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  14. Cromwell Arcane

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    it costs 15 dollar in the ms store (xbox version). I dont understand the rest, how do you overpay?
     
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  15. J_C One Bit Studio Patron Developer Sad Loser

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    Even if they withdraw it from GOG, you can still access it from your library. This is how it always worked.
     
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  16. deadmeme Learned

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    You need to pay it 10 Dollars a month.
     
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  17. deadmeme Learned

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    Isn't the Gamestore system, where you pay for subscription, than you are allowed to download everything?
     
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  18. ekrolo2 Learned

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  19. Markman da Blitz master Patron

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    Its not everything. Mostly Microsofts first party on Console/PC/Cloud, some AAA shit and bunch of indies. Indies are usually day one releases too. Count in 80+ titles on EAPlay in there too.
    Console is the biggest one, I'd guess 300+ titles.

    If you want to buy, you can and you even get 20% off as a Gamepass subcriber. On EA games you get 10% off.

    Bunch of perks too, some ingame crap but also like a free month of Disney+ that came in handy the other day, 3 months of Discord Nitro etc. Also there are Gamepass quests, more you play you get points to use for stuff, like another free month of Gamepass.

    Its not a perfect system but I wouldnt call it a ripoff, there is some value in there.
     
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  20. ViolentOpposition Arcane

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    Have you tried emulators? Cos you can do all that pretty comfortably now. Like for 95% of the worthwhile games anyway.

    Anyway, I got a PS5 because I'm lucky enough that it's not too much money to me... and over a 5-7 year span, there'll probably be a handful of good exclusives worth playing. Also, I've held off on playing Ghost of Tsushima on PS4 because apparently it runs at 60 FPS on the PS5, and loads faster etc. All in all, at the very least the PS5 will be a much faster PS4, which already has games worth playing. Probably going to end up donating my PS4 Pro now as a result.
     
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  21. Markman da Blitz master Patron

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    Poorfag Xbox reviewed at Digital Foundry

    Could be worth it if you got an external ssd already to plug into, otherwise get the BBX.
     
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  22. Silentstorm Learned

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    Easy, not everyone has money...that's honestly the reason behind the Xbox, a lot of people don't want to pay a ton of money to get a great PC nor want to buy parts and learn how to make one, and they also don't like the idea of upgrading a PC after a while.

    Xbox and consoles however, give a direct gaming experience without people having to buy new parts or anything for quite a few years, and the expectation is that every game will run at optimal levels(or that at least every owner will have the same experience) all the time, plus 500 bucks for a console or less is potentially less than you would spend on a decently powerful PC.

    And some people just enjoy the idea of playing on a console over a PC, but the Xbox is very much supposed to be a poorfag PC that is at least better than what many poorfags already have, particularly many gaming laptops.

    But to people who know their stuff and have money, the Xbox is way less ideal, i have genuinely seen people that made PC rigs that cost them 3000 dollars or more wondering about this, and they never consider "Maybe people just don't want to spend more than 500 dollars on a gaming platform that will run everything available to it?" because why should them, they clearly have more money than poorfags.
     
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  23. DalekFlay Arcane Patron

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    This idea you need a $3,000 PC is silly shit meant to make consoles seem like even more of a value than they actually are. You could build a $1,000 PC tomorrow that will compete with the Series X its whole lifespan. Is $1,000 twice as much as the console? Yes. Is it $3,000? No. Also if you simply wait a year or two, you can use that same $1,000 to blow away the Series X in every way, and we likely will barely see any real "next-gen" games that whole time anyway.

    Throw in the fact you have to pay for online with consoles, and that a lot of people likely get more than one console or get a "pro" version later, and the price savings really isn't as massive as people act like it is. The real thing consoles have over PC is convenience. Plug in an HDMI cord to your television and plop down on the couch and go. Come home from work, hit a button and start playing in two seconds. That's the appeal of consoles.
     
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  24. Markman da Blitz master Patron

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    $1000 is a bit wishthinking.
    8 core CPU, 2080/3070 GPU, 16 gb ram, nvme ssd, plus decent motherboard, PSU and the case.
    About 2k dorra and thats without the monitor.

    1080p machine for 1k, sure. 4k/60 machine? Good luck. Plus what is that piece of shit gonna run in 3-4 years when they really optimize for consoles instead of this cross gen shit? Lower the res to 720p?
     
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