Official Codex Discord Server

  1. Welcome to rpgcodex.net, a site dedicated to discussing computer based role-playing games in a free and open fashion. We're less strict than other forums, but please refer to the rules.

    "This message is awaiting moderator approval": All new users must pass through our moderation queue before they will be able to post normally. Until your account has "passed" your posts will only be visible to yourself (and moderators) until they are approved. Give us a week to get around to approving / deleting / ignoring your mundane opinion on crap before hassling us about it. Once you have passed the moderation period (think of it as a test), you will be able to post normally, just like all the other retards.
    Dismiss Notice

Jagged Alliance The RPG genre is weak. Very weak. Probably the weakest traditional genre in gaming

Discussion in 'General RPG Discussion' started by Lilura, Aug 14, 2020.

  1. Ol' Willy Magister

    Ol' Willy
    Joined:
    May 3, 2020
    Messages:
    1,650
    Location:
    In your head
    Of course it's possible. Scout with high Melee and Hide, Always Inflict Melee Critical - and you can shank PKs without much hassle
     
    ^ Top  
  2. Raghar Arcane

    Raghar
    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Messages:
    12,193
    I actually wasn't sure if I want main character to be scout or grenadier, thus I basically played half game with one, found unique rifle spawns only on one mission, and restarted to play with the other.

    IIRC the panzerklain was killed by grenadier and medic. One from left, the other from right.
     
    ^ Top  
  3. anvi Cipher Village Idiot

    anvi
    Joined:
    Oct 12, 2016
    Messages:
    4,659
    Location:
    Kelethin
    :shredder:
     
    ^ Top  
  4. Kalin Arcane Zionist Agent

    Kalin
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,867,072
    Location:
    Al Scandiya
    She's right you know.
     
    • Agree Agree x 3
    • Salute Salute x 1
    ^ Top  
  5. Reader Educated

    Reader
    Joined:
    Jan 28, 2018
    Messages:
    70
    Aren't Wolfweres(and also shapeshifting druids) basically furries?
     
    • retadred retadred x 1
    ^ Top  
  6. Darth Canoli Magister

    Darth Canoli
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,006
    Location:
    Perched on a tree
    Except Wizardry had original races and classes of his own before it became a thing.
    There's creative work and talent on Sirtech part and adding furries because it's a fad and you lack talent and originality like it's too often the case nowadays.
     
    • Agree Agree x 2
    • decline decline x 1
    ^ Top  
  7. Nifft Batuff Arbiter

    Nifft Batuff
    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,161
    2da files are weak.
     
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    ^ Top  
  8. Lilura RPG Codex Dragon Lady

    Lilura
    Joined:
    Feb 13, 2013
    Messages:
    5,058
    So according to you, the authority on the furry, Wizardry originated furries in RPG, bringing Decline to us all. Thank you, Wizardry.

    Furries are "creative". I get it. Thank you.
     
    • Funny Funny x 2
    • butthurt butthurt x 2
    ^ Top  
  9. Raghar Arcane

    Raghar
    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Messages:
    12,193
    Wasn't one of first furryies Chewbaka in SW?
     
    • it is a mystery it is a mystery x 1
    ^ Top  
  10. Kalin Arcane Zionist Agent

    Kalin
    Joined:
    Sep 29, 2010
    Messages:
    1,867,072
    Location:
    Al Scandiya
    There's really nothing new under the sun. The furry fetish, much like practically every other sexual perversion, traces its roots to the pagan religions of the ancients who in turn learnt their sick ways from the echoes of the Antediluvian "golden age" when demons clad in flesh bred and interbred with all kinds of mutants in depraved inter-species orgies. They did this in direct and knowing rebellion against the Lord God and his law of kind after kind and all of these forms of chaos worship are gaining ground today and manifest openly because the satanic conspiracy has nearly reached the height of its power. This, of course, was foretold and I like to think it is part of what Jesus meant when he said his coming would be like in the days of Noah.
     
    • Informative Informative x 2
    • WTF am I reading WTF am I reading x 2
    • Deus Vult Deus Vult x 1
    • Disgusting! Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  11. Ol' Willy Magister

    Ol' Willy
    Joined:
    May 3, 2020
    Messages:
    1,650
    Location:
    In your head
    [​IMG]
     
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  
  12. Darth Canoli Magister

    Darth Canoli
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,006
    Location:
    Perched on a tree
    No, it was Cu Chulainn / Cuchulainn (Culann's Dog), a legendary Celtic demi-god warrior.
    Berserker turning himself into a bear (or a werebear and possibly different ferocious animals) during battle.


    Just the opposite, it was incline, it's only decline when it's made by retards who pick things they think are cool, mix them together and turn them into a pile of shit because of their lack of vision, talent and skills.
     
    ^ Top  
  13. Nifft Batuff Arbiter

    Nifft Batuff
    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,161
    [​IMG]
     
    • hopw roewur ne hopw roewur ne x 1
    • Salute Salute x 1
    ^ Top  
  14. Darkzone Arcane

    Darkzone
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,227
    The first furry in mythology is Enkidu (bronze age) and the second is the Minotaurus (early iron age).
     
    • Brofist Brofist x 1
    • WTF am I reading WTF am I reading x 1
    ^ Top  
  15. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

    KeighnMcDeath
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2016
    Messages:
    1,994
    MacWorld?
    [​IMG]
     
    • hopw roewur ne hopw roewur ne x 1
    • Racist Racist x 1
    • what? what? x 1
    ^ Top  
  16. Nifft Batuff Arbiter

    Nifft Batuff
    Joined:
    Nov 14, 2018
    Messages:
    1,161
    [​IMG]
     
    • Grab the minigun, there are demons here to smite Grab the minigun, there are demons here to smite x 1
    ^ Top  
  17. Darth Canoli Magister

    Darth Canoli
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,006
    Location:
    Perched on a tree
    No, my bad for not thinking about it earlier but the first one i know of are the Egyptian gods Bastet and Anubis.
    Specially since i recently watched a documentary dating the Sphinx from more than 8000 years ago, it means the Egyptian civilization is way older than we thought and their gods as well.

    But that's besides the point, it means the first furries comes from the Mythology.
    The fact that the japs and some sodomites used it in their garbage production doesn't turn the source material into decline.
     
    • Agree Agree x 1
    ^ Top  
  18. Darkzone Arcane

    Darkzone
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,227
    I thought about the egyptian gods too, but they are gods and not man-animals and they are lacking entirely the human aspect, therefore i have not counted them as furries. Also i have discounted on the same basis many figurines from the stone age since they lack any description.
    Indeed the water erosion (vertical erosion traces) point to an earlier period than the Old Kingdom (at least 6k BCE), but even then it us unclear if it had a man's head from the beginning or if it was not a lion's head that was reworked into a man's head during the old kingdom.
    But i would rather stick to the orthodox egyptology since we would dive into conspiracy theories and other things that are questionable.
    Nevertheless the mythology around the Sphinx is mostly of the greek origin (Riddle of the Sphinx) and is a bit later (500 BCE) than the Minotaur (Hesiod fragment 145 in 700 BCE). Hesiod mentions the Phix in the Theogony (700 BCE), but it is a daughter of monsters (Orthrus a brother of Cerberus) descending in a direct line from Typhon (no human connection) and it is unclear what it really is (if it has the mix features of human and lion and eagle) that are later (500 BCE) attributed to the Sphinx.
    Therefore i have chosen Enkidu (at least 1800 BCE if not 2000 BCE) as the first furry since he is at least 66% human and only 33% god and the Minotaur since it is 50% human.

    It has a long tradition ranging even before the age of writing since mix feature beings are depicted in figurines from the stone age. The Minotaur itself is a punishment of Poseidon by lust, for the greed and betrayal by withholding what is his. Decline is it when it used for the sake of artifical diversity (muh so diverse) as it is used in D&D and not as metapher for a philosophy or as a vital part of the worlds mythology that formed the current state of affairs. I would also restrain myself from directly using it to much since it is a crossing point into degeneracy. One Minotaur that eats humans for breakfast make a good monster that stands for the fall of man that is halted by heroism and sacrifice by the Hero, but a herd makes it just degenerate.
     
    • cuck cuck x 1
    ^ Top  
  19. Darth Canoli Magister

    Darth Canoli
    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2018
    Messages:
    3,006
    Location:
    Perched on a tree
    [​IMG]

    Cool story bro.
    Egyptians really had some weird dog breeds...


    So, you mean it's ok to have herds of centaurs, sirens, cyclops or giants but not Minotaurs because there was only one in the Greek's mythology ?
    That's just ridiculous.

    Decline is just a combination of lack of both culture and talent, nothing to do with numbers.
     
    • Racist Racist x 1
    • :M :M x 1
    ^ Top  
  20. KeighnMcDeath RPG Codex Boomer

    KeighnMcDeath
    Joined:
    Nov 23, 2016
    Messages:
    1,994
    Be glad i didn't find anything for DQ = Dairy Queen world.... other than Dennis the Menace and Mr Wilson. Oh that Wilson.


    wth is with imgur...
     
    ^ Top  
  21. Zed Duke of Banville Zo Kath Ra Patron

    Zed Duke of Banville
    Joined:
    Oct 3, 2015
    Messages:
    5,629
    [​IMG]

    "Weighing the Heart of the Dead" by Erol Otus, appearing in the AD&D Legends & Lore hardcover book.
     
    • Friendly x 2
    • Cheers!! x 1
    • Prestigious x 1
    • Creative x 1
    • Excited! x 1
    • Disgusting! x 1
    ^ Top  
  22. fantadomat Dumbfuck! Dumbfuck Edgy

    fantadomat
    Joined:
    Jun 2, 2017
    Messages:
    23,506
    Location:
    Bulgaria
    24 pages.....anything interesting in them?

    Also what does it mean weak? Like in sales or what? If it is for sales,well it makes sense. RPGs are genre that expects from its users to have at least a modicum of intelligence. And as it is well known most people don't have it. You can't expect an intelligent thing to be popular among the peasantry. We should be worried if it becomes a well selling product.
     
    • No No x 2
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    • butthurt butthurt x 1
    ^ Top  
  23. The Red Knight Liturgist

    The Red Knight
    Joined:
    Apr 18, 2017
    Messages:
    435
    File formats are what truly defines whether a game is an RPG.
     
    • Informative Informative x 1
    • When words are not enough When words are not enough x 1
    • :M :M x 1
    ^ Top  
  24. Darkzone Arcane

    Darkzone
    Joined:
    Sep 4, 2013
    Messages:
    2,227
    Because Egypt was a very enduring kingdom that survived longer than any other on this world, therefore it has different depictions and for their gods that change over time. But there are other reasons, like the gods form their body according to their tasks or specific required or displayed attributes.
    The gods lack the human aspect, because they are gods that have nothing in common with the human and they can change shape as they desire, like in the famous case of Set attacking Thoth as a Leopard. The greek gods (at least Zeus as Bull or Swan or Cloud) can do similar things but they are never depicted in a hybrid form. It can be even worse because this depiction can be only symbolic (it seems that the Egyptians perceive it this way) as representation of their Names (Thoth means "Is like Ibis" (Ibis is a bird)) or Attributes.
    Zed Duke of Banville has posted a picture of "weighting of the heart of the dead" where Anubis, Thoth and fuck (what was the name ?)..... Ammut (devourer of the dead) is depicted.
    In Egypt's Early Dynastic times to the Old Kingdom (3k BCE - 2k BCE) Anubis was only portrayed in his full animal form and not the hybrid. And throughtout the times Anubis was portrayed also in a full human form like in the grave of Ramses II.
    Thoth is even worse since he is depicted in this Ibis hybrid form, then as a full Ibis, full human form, baboon, baboon with a dog face and baboon-human hybrid and all of his forms a known to be symbolic and as metaphors.
    To my knowledge only from this three gods Ammut has never been in any other form. But i'm not an egyptologist with specialisation in their mythology so there could be examples where Ammut is depicted differently than this Crocodile, Lion and Hippo mix.

    Do you see now how much knowledge and thoughts i put into this, while you post just pictures? You have utterly no understanding about the Egypt's mythology.

    Kyklopes are only 8 and they are brothers to the Titanes (i include here also the Olympioi) and Gigantes, since they are born from Gaia and Uranus. So yes a herd of them is form also a retarded decision, since the Kyklopes have also a key role as weapon makers besides Hephaistos.
    In greek mythology only around 30 Gigantes are named, but D&D relies upon the norse mythology for Giants and there their numbers can be as high as its fits the setting, since they inhabit entire worlds.
    Seiren are only 2 in the Odysseia aand only later authors expand the number to 3. So yes i'm also against herds of Seiren.
    Kentauros on the other hand were born out of the cloud nymph Nephele that meated with Ixion on the Olympos. Dependend on the version Ixion is either a half-god or or quarter-god. But either way this offspring Kentauros mated with mares creating the race Kentauroi.

    You cannot divorce the monster from the act of its creation and here lies the problem in your statement.
    The act of creating Minotauros is the act of bestiality. One Minotauros is result of specific sin against a god, a entire race is a lifestyle habit of the population. One Minotauros poses as a bitter warning especially it exposes everything, while an entire race is just a degenerate bestiality joke.
    Numbers - Numbers always matter and not only in mathematics, physics, engineering and etc.. but also in story telling.
     
    • Cheers!! Cheers!! x 1
    • Makes you think... Makes you think... x 1
    • Informative Informative x 1
    ^ Top  
  25. CappenVarra phase-based phantasmist Patron

    CappenVarra
    Joined:
    Mar 14, 2011
    Messages:
    2,631
    Location:
    Ardamai
    anyone up for a game of Mazes & Minotaurs?
     
    • Prestigious Prestigious x 1
    • Friendly Friendly x 1
    ^ Top  

As an Amazon Associate, rpgcodex.net earns from qualifying purchases.