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Ultima The Ultima Series Discussion Thread

What is your favorite Ultima game?


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KeighnMcDeath

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Dunno. There have been pet projects though. Many ate unfinished. I was going to post a thread about the ultima pet projects. There is this one Ultima 3 module i can't find reference to. It was a mod for some 3D iso game.
 

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Codex Year of the Donut Serpent in the Staglands Dead State Divinity: Original Sin Project: Eternity Torment: Tides of Numenera Wasteland 2 Shadorwun: Hong Kong Divinity: Original Sin 2 A Beautifully Desolate Campaign Pillars of Eternity 2: Deadfire Pathfinder: Kingmaker Pathfinder: Wrath I'm very into cock and ball torture I helped put crap in Monomyth
The widely available PC version of Ultima 1 is actually a remake of the Apple II original, which ironically came out after Ultima IV.
 

Ladonna

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Haha! I fucking found it!!

Forging Brittania - Runesword Mod

Crosscut Games Runesword

Issue... it looks likd win 95/98 so issues will probably result on modern os.

There is 1 file I couldn't DL named

Overland Map
Unzip these into your /library/maps folder.

Even internet archive can't find a link. So suckage. I'd likd to see this running.

I played through Runesword. I forgot all about it though lol. I didn't know there was an Ultima mod for it, I will have to get the game running on Wine (it will probably be easier than trying to run it on a new windows version) and see how it goes.
 

Mortmal

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Why has Ultima never gotten remakes?

Starting out as fantasy then suddenly having spaceship combat would be novel even today
Because there's absolutely no interest into remakes, if you are not a poser(many on the dex) and really want to play them they still works just fine on all kind of emulators. Almost no one would buy that. Would make no sense as they were innovative rpgs , not just common crpgs. Spiritual successors to those are clearly larian games now, despite the hate it gets here.
 

Bruma Hobo

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All he wants is just a modern open-world fantasy RPG with silly sci-fi elements though, nothing wrong with that.
Spiritual successors to those are clearly larian Bethesda games now, despite the hate it gets here.
Fixed it for you.
 

Mortmal

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All he wants is just a modern open-world fantasy RPG with silly sci-fi elements though, nothing wrong with that.
Spiritual successors to those are clearly larian Bethesda games now, despite the hate it gets here.
Fixed it for you.
Bethesda is only successor of the ultima underwolrd line, and eventually system shock one with prey. Nothing modern closer to ultima 7 than divinity original sin. Eventually there's also jeff vogels game, the same one he re-edit every year.
 

Denim Destroyer

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Managed to beat Ultima 5 after what seems to be awhile. If the scenario was more compelling than that of Ultima 4 then I would consider Warriors of Destiny to be better in every regard. The game still suffers from the typical Ultima trappings of only serviceable combat combined with shallow character building. Additionally the simplified karma system compared to the virtue based morality mechanics of the previous game is a downside. It is understandable why Origin did not reuse the system from four but I think it could have been better. Having a system based off of the three principles where lying, running away, and not helping those in need would have been better. Nonetheless Ultima 5 holds up surprisingly well and outside of a few QOL features could have been released this year. Cannot recommend enough!

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Proof for the sake of posterity.
 

Ysaye

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Managed to beat Ultima 5 after what seems to be awhile. If the scenario was more compelling than that of Ultima 4 then I would consider Warriors of Destiny to be better in every regard. The game still suffers from the typical Ultima trappings of only serviceable combat combined with shallow character building. Additionally the simplified karma system compared to the virtue based morality mechanics of the previous game is a downside. It is understandable why Origin did not reuse the system from four but I think it could have been better. Having a system based off of the three principles where lying, running away, and not helping those in need would have been better. Nonetheless Ultima 5 holds up surprisingly well and outside of a few QOL features could have been released this year. Cannot recommend enough!

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Proof for the sake of posterity.
Reports in the Lord British, gets told there is evil afoot in the Shroud of the Avatar - "join the quest by clicking on this moongate email link here....."
 

LarryTyphoid

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Solid video overall, as always from GeorgGreat, but I heavily disagree with his interpretation of the game's themes. He states at one point that the tyranny of U5 is a direct result of the Avatar setting too high a standard in U4. I believe you've commented on this yourself before, Bruma Hobo, and I recall reading a post from you claiming that U5's plot was Garriott trying to tear down U4's spirituality in favor of a more cynical worldview (apologies if I'm mixing you up with someone else). So, you might agree with Georg's take, just that you think it was a poor direction while Georg thinks it was a good one. I entirely disagree with this view of U5's story, though. I think it's just reading too much into it. It was a completely foreign influence (The Shadowlords) that caused the events of U5. It's literally evil demons from the depths of hell corrupting the "religion" of Britannia - it's not the ideas of U4 themselves which caused the problem. Georg would have you believe that U5 would have happened as a natural consequence of the Avatar's quest rather than being caused by this outside influence (perhaps he should have waited until U6 to make this point). The Avatar's journey in U4 is never criticized, and the virtue of the Avatar himself is not questioned - that is, unless you follow the Oppression path, which is entirely optional (Georg seemed to believe that joining the Oppression was mandatory, which perhaps painted his view of the game's events) - it's possible for the Avatar to maintain his virtue completely throughout the game.

The fact that such options are available is indicative of U5's more dire tone, though. Georg says once that while U4 was a bunch of high-minded philosophy in a time of peace, while U5 focuses less on that philosophy due to a more pressing and more physical concern. I agree with this, but it doesn't mean that virtue is thrown out altogether in favor of complete amoral pragmatism. If I recall correctly, you can't even complete U5 without your karma level above a certain threshold. Even in the time of Blackthorn's tyranny, the Avatar doesn't just throw away the ideals he held in U4 - even in U6, where the quest of the Avatar itself actually is questioned and looked at from another perspective, the virtues themselves are not discarded.

Georg also makes too much of U5's dark tone, in my opinion. He's right that the music does somewhat change the tone, and I played U5 with the music my first time, so that's definitely painting what I think of the game. But it's also true that the music was intentionally put into the game by the developers - it's even the first appearance of "Stones". So if the music paints a certain tone, then that means that it's the tone that was intended by Origin. U5 isn't nearly as dreary as Georg makes out, and he all but admits that you need to completely discard this element of the game in order to support his perspective of the tone.

My least favorite line in the video goes something like "Ultima 4 is like reading the Bible, while Ultima 5 is like reading the history of the medieval inquisition." It shows that he's never read the Bible (as expected of a Frenchman) - the Bible probably records more bloodshed than anything that happened in any inquisition.
 

Bruma Hobo

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He states at one point that the tyranny of U5 is a direct result of the Avatar setting too high a standard in U4. I believe you've commented on this yourself before, Bruma Hobo, and I recall reading a post from you claiming that U5's plot was Garriott trying to tear down U4's spirituality in favor of a more cynical worldview
No, I agree with you, Ultima V's theme was not about the virtues being inconsistent, but about how there's no real virtue without free will (ie "fuck Reagan"). It was definitely a more cynical game than Ultima IV, but the writers weren't trying to undermine the original message, yet. Gameplay wise the game was merely testing the player (George failed), the amoral pragmatic game was Ultima VIII.

I believe he was spot on about the game's mechanics, quest structure, dungeons and music though. Ultima V is a great game, don't get me wrong, but despite some technically impressive feats the game's bloated and slow, its towns and dungeons feel lifeless, and even obtaining info from NPCs feels cumbersome and not as rewarding despite seemingly being better written than the previous game (it is not).

Ultima IV was an overall better designed game, but unfortunately people tend to ignore that because of its horrendous combat system and some serious balance problems.

My least favorite line in the video goes something like "Ultima 4 is like reading the Bible, while Ultima 5 is like reading the history of the medieval inquisition." It shows that he's never read the Bible (as expected of a Frenchman) - the Bible probably records more bloodshed than anything that happened in any inquisition.
Nor anything serious about the inquisition.

Seriously, I like George, but anyone claiming that people can only consistently follow a moral code during peace times is a moron.
 

Cael

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Joining the Oppression and getting the badge requires you to do things that tank your Karma, IIRC. If you don't do it, you are going to be fighting a lot of guards in Blackthorn's castle. Well, unless you know the trick with the carpet.
 

LarryTyphoid

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Yeah, I can't imagine how much of a pain in the ass it'd be if U6 were your first game. I would've never found these dungeons if I hadn't already written down their locations in my notes for U4 and 5.
 

Cael

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Yeah, I can't imagine how much of a pain in the ass it'd be if U6 were your first game. I would've never found these dungeons if I hadn't already written down their locations in my notes for U4 and 5.
U6 did have a map that came with the game...
 

Atrachasis

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Yeah, I can't imagine how much of a pain in the ass it'd be if U6 were your first game. I would've never found these dungeons if I hadn't already written down their locations in my notes for U4 and 5.
U6 did have a map that came with the game...
Be fair, though. You needed pretty good eyes to spot them on the map, and most of us are getting on in years a bit...
 

Cael

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Yeah, I can't imagine how much of a pain in the ass it'd be if U6 were your first game. I would've never found these dungeons if I hadn't already written down their locations in my notes for U4 and 5.
U6 did have a map that came with the game...
Be fair, though. You needed pretty good eyes to spot them on the map, and most of us are getting on in years a bit...
I played it when it first came out, and played it on and off ever since. I know the ins and outs of Britannia better than the city I live in. I don't need good eyesight these days to know where everything is :D
 

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