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The Valve and Steam Platform Discussion Thread

Zewp

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Oh come now. The metro thing is annoying and there are some other issues but it's far from that bad.

What I mean by super bad is if it ever goes locked down, closed platform, whatever term you want to use for "won't run shit not approved by Microsoft."

No thanks. I had Win8 installed on my laptop around August, and playing old games on it was impossible. Arcanum, Thief, Sanitarium and Planescape Torment all lagged too much to play decently. Uninstalled Win8 and reinstalled Win7 and suddenly all those games ran fine again.
 

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No thanks. I had Win8 installed on my laptop around August, and playing old games on it was impossible. Arcanum, Thief, Sanitarium and Planescape Torment all lagged too much to play decently. Uninstalled Win8 and reinstalled Win7 and suddenly all those games ran fine again.

No thanks what? I didn't say Win8 was a good OS.
 

Zewp

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No thanks to you saying Win8 isn't that bad. I actually had a worse time working on Win8 than I did Vista. IMO, Win8 is only barely better than Vista.
 

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No thanks to you saying Win8 isn't that bad. I actually had a worse time working on Win8 than I did Vista. IMO, Win8 is only barely better than Vista.

I'm saying it's not that bad as in "it's not bad enough to make people flock to Linux, it doesn't close the platform down to non-Microsoft approved applications, it doesn't end PC gaming as we know it."
 

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Two years from now SteamOS will be a viable platform.

It's possible, but totally not the point I am making.

I'm talking about the supposed abandonment of Windows. That is never going to happen unless Microsoft fucks up WELL beyond the annoyances of Windows 8.
 

Cowboy Moment

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That kind of depends on what you mean by "abandonment of Windows". The most difficult part is the office productivity space, although for reasons mostly unrelated to the quality of either OS. Businesses tend to have inertia directly proportional to their size, so getting a large corporation to abandon Windows altogether would require some truly catastrophic events. They also like having a corporate partner they can rely on for support, which would necessitate the emergence of something like Redhat, except for office productivity. All in all, yeah, close to impossible. If anything, it's more likely they would lose this to the likes of Apple or Google.

When it comes to widespread consumer use, it mostly comes down to software support, both in terms of device drivers and specific programs. If someone only uses their PC for web browsing, email, writing documents, the occasional game, then an entry-level Linux distro is already a decent enough choice, possibly superior to Windows because there's no malware.

If Valve's efforts bring device manufacturer support up to speed, then that will remove one of the major hurdles already. After that it will be up to desktop environment developers to produce a user experience comparable to Windows 7. I don't think it'll completely oust Microsoft from the market, just like Chrome and Firefox didn't manage to remove IE, but it might force Microsoft to actually give a shit and try (as they have with IE11, which by all accounts is a pretty decent browser). In any case, the consumers will win.
 

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Funnily enough, I have Win 8 x64 on my laptop at the moment and old games run much better than on Win 7 x64 which I have on my desktop PC. I've even managed to run Wizards & Warriors and Return to Krondor! (Both games crashed on me on Win 7.) Arcanum and IWD 2 also run without problems.

I must have a bugged copy of Win 8 or something.
 

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When it comes to widespread consumer use, it mostly comes down to software support, both in terms of device drivers and specific programs. If someone only uses their PC for web browsing, email, writing documents, the occasional game, then an entry-level Linux distro is already a decent enough choice, possibly superior to Windows because there's no malware.

A decent enough choice for the people interested in such things, sure. I wouldn't disagree with that. A mainstream choice removes Windows as the default, main PC gaming OS? It's gonna take a lot more.

If Valve's efforts bring device manufacturer support up to speed, then that will remove one of the major hurdles already. After that it will be up to desktop environment developers to produce a user experience comparable to Windows 7. I don't think it'll completely oust Microsoft from the market, just like Chrome and Firefox didn't manage to remove IE, but it might force Microsoft to actually give a shit and try (as they have with IE11, which by all accounts is a pretty decent browser). In any case, the consumers will win.

I shouldn't underestimate Valve, and if they push hard enough of course anything is possible with their talent, reputation, connections and marketing abilities. I just think the combination of factors around Windows gaming being so dominant means it will be a long, hard road for anyone to ever usurp that, and I think Microsoft sitting on their ass or fucking up worse is required no matter how well Valve do.

It is good for consumers either way, yes. I'm just debating the educated guesses.
 

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Obviously no one is ever going to usurp Microsoft for business/work OS but, yeah, for casual/gaming/home use... GabeN uber alles.
 

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Two years from now SteamOS will be a viable platform.

It's possible, but totally not the point I am making.

I'm talking about the supposed abandonment of Windows. That is never going to happen unless Microsoft fucks up WELL beyond the annoyances of Windows 8.

Actually I think that the death of Windows is coming and Microsoft will have to pull a lot of rabbits out of their asses to prevent it. I'm sure they see it as well which is why they canned Sinofsky and Ballmer, but I'm not at all sure they'll have the clear head required to do the right thing.
 

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Praise Gaben: http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/simonroth/maia/posts/691573

Seven days ago we launched on Steam early access. It has been a frantic hundred hour week and finally the dust is starting to settle. Eight hundred emails answered, many more waiting, forty patches distributed, two hundred gigabytes of content uploaded and ten thousand lines of code hammered out. Phew!

Releasing such an early build was a risk, but I still strongly believe in community driven development and the launch has definitely vindicated my thinking. We've completely transformed the game since release and it's entirely thanks to you guys! I really want to thank everyone who took to the forums, and email, and who submitted their problems, their feedback and their ideas.

The launch exceeded all our expectations, in fact it blew them away. We certainly didn't expect to be featured on the front page of Steam for so long. We spent several days outselling games like Assassin's Creed and Call of Duty at one point we even became the #2 seller.

In just four days Maia received enough alpha sales to budget the game to completion. We have now grossed over half a million dollars in backer funding. It's something I couldn't have imagined two years ago when I first started tinkering with the idea of an alpha release.
 

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And yet AoD wasn't even featured on the front page, at all.

I guess somebody at Valve disliked the tone of VD's emails. :lol:
 

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Implying that hipsterism is not the most important thing to become a hit in Steam.

AoD is not hip enough to become a great commercial success, fortunately, because hipster shit is shit, and unfortunately, because that means less income for future Iron Tower projects.
 

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Implying that hipsterism is not the most important thing to become a hit in Steam.

AoD is not hip enough to become a great commercial success, fortunately, because hipster shit is shit, and unfortunately, because that means less income for future Iron Tower projects.

I've seen no evidence that Maia is "hipster shit": http://www.rpgcodex.net/forums/inde...ic-now-available-on-steam-early-access.78160/

It launched with a discount. AoD didn't. New indie games on Steam always launch with discounts.
 

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